Originally posted by: L00ker
I dunno why not just get a USB device like some kind of thumb drive to "license"? it's not like that piece of hardware would be much of a hassle to move around... just a thought
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: L00ker
I dunno why not just get a USB device like some kind of thumb drive to "license"? it's not like that piece of hardware would be much of a hassle to move around... just a thought
hmm yeah I wonder if you can specify what hardware, and if so what hardware you can link it to....
interesting thought.
Wrong. Please don't project your apathy about the ridiculous and draconian changes to the license onto everyone. If Vista sticks around for as long as XP has, and if I were to get a retail license, I would be forced to buy multiple copies of Vista for the same computer if I upgrade major components (CPU, motherboard) of the "hardware system" once every 1.5 years. Will you tell me that such nonsense is perfectly acceptable, and that Microsoft should be able to make such unreasonable demands without anyone being allowed to express a complaint about it?Originally posted by: Markbnj
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No, a "hardware system" just like activation in XP.Originally posted by: Trevelyan
So you have to tie your Vista to a specific piece of hardware?
This license isn't something to get over-excited about. Save your outrage for media DRM enforcement, or the puppies that Vista bludgeons to death when no one is looking.
Microsoft forbids users from installing Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium in a virtual machine. "You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system," the legal language reads. Vista Ultimate and Vista Business, however, can be installed within a VM.
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Wrong. Please don't project your apathy about the ridiculous and draconian changes to the license onto everyone. If Vista sticks around for as long as XP has, and if I were to get a retail license, I would be forced to buy multiple copies of Vista for the same computer if I upgrade major components (CPU, motherboard) of the "hardware system" once every 1.5 years. Will you tell me that such nonsense is perfectly acceptable, and that Microsoft should be able to make such unreasonable demands without anyone being allowed to express a complaint about it?
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Wrong. Please don't project your apathy about the ridiculous and draconian changes to the license onto everyone. If Vista sticks around for as long as XP has, and if I were to get a retail license, I would be forced to buy multiple copies of Vista for the same computer if I upgrade major components (CPU, motherboard) of the "hardware system" once every 1.5 years. Will you tell me that such nonsense is perfectly acceptable, and that Microsoft should be able to make such unreasonable demands without anyone being allowed to express a complaint about it?Originally posted by: Markbnj
/threadOriginally posted by: DaveSimmons
No, a "hardware system" just like activation in XP.Originally posted by: Trevelyan
So you have to tie your Vista to a specific piece of hardware?
This license isn't something to get over-excited about. Save your outrage for media DRM enforcement, or the puppies that Vista bludgeons to death when no one is looking.
That's a hypothetical situation. I'm just dependent on an operating system that offers proper color management and some application with the tools, format support, and ease of use for high-end digital photo processing. If Microsoft actually follows through with this, I can always stick with Windows XP until a) I can get a Mac Pro or b) the GIMP developers catch up to this millennium in terms of color management support and other stuff that doesn't matter to anyone except serious digital photographers (probably why no one cares to implement such features).Originally posted by: drag
Sounds like a good reason to stop being so dependant to me.
With the speed computers have you can easily run w2k or Win98 in a VM environment created by Qemu or Vmware for application compatability and you never realy have to by another Microsoft license again. (assuming, of course, you already have licenses for those systems) Especially when you get machines with multiple cpu cores.
For instance qemu is open source and free. For speed you may want to install a kqemu kernel module (which unfortunately is propriaty and closed), but it's not required.
qemu -hda harddrive.img -cdrom w2kinstall.iso -boot d -smb ~/share
Pretty simple stuff when you think about it. And the nice thing about VMs is that you can copy them and move them from computer to computer and there is no change in the hardware as far as the OS is concerned.
edit:
or
qemu -hda harddrive.img -cdrom /dev/cdrom -boot d -smb ~/share
If you'd rather use a real cdrom.
Originally posted by: Fishy007
Well they already have that technology in place. In fact, that technology was in place 15 years ago. A lot of higher end software came with a 'dongle' that you have to attach to a serial or parallel port in order for the software to work. I remember running some high end video editing software in high school that required one.
I agree that making the user use a USB dongle isn't a big deal. If one usb port dies, use another. However, this is only good for desktops. Laptop users might find it inconvenient.
Or MS could just pull its collective head out of its ass and realize that they're going to be losing a lot of business in the next 2-3 years by crippling piracy this way.
Tweakers and enthusiasts will be crippled when re-installing the OS (even if it's legit). That in turn leads to frustration and a gradual move away from Vista. And guess what kind of people staff most IT departments? Right, tweakers and enthusiasts. A move away from Vista on the personal level leads to moves away from Vista on the business level. Gradual at first, but you'll see the mass effects in 18-24 months.
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
That's a hypothetical situation. I'm just dependent on an operating system that offers proper color management and some application with the tools, format support, and ease of use for high-end digital photo processing. If Microsoft actually follows through with this, I can always stick with Windows XP until a) I can get a Mac Pro or b) the GIMP developers catch up to this millennium in terms of color management support and other stuff that doesn't matter to anyone except serious digital photographers (probably why no one cares to implement such features).Originally posted by: drag
Sounds like a good reason to stop being so dependant to me.
With the speed computers have you can easily run w2k or Win98 in a VM environment created by Qemu or Vmware for application compatability and you never realy have to by another Microsoft license again. (assuming, of course, you already have licenses for those systems) Especially when you get machines with multiple cpu cores.
For instance qemu is open source and free. For speed you may want to install a kqemu kernel module (which unfortunately is propriaty and closed), but it's not required.
qemu -hda harddrive.img -cdrom w2kinstall.iso -boot d -smb ~/share
Pretty simple stuff when you think about it. And the nice thing about VMs is that you can copy them and move them from computer to computer and there is no change in the hardware as far as the OS is concerned.
edit:
or
qemu -hda harddrive.img -cdrom /dev/cdrom -boot d -smb ~/share
If you'd rather use a real cdrom.
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Most people here buy OEM XP instead of retail, which is already limited to one "hardware system." So OEM Vista won't be any different.
Of the few that buy Retail versions of an OS, not many move them to a completely new "hardware system" more than once in several years, so again no big deal.
I do worry about the puppies though.
You don't remember the "golden days" of dongles? When you had two or more programs that EACH required its own dongle? So you had to start stacking dongles on top of each other so that each would be read?Originally posted by: Fishy007
I agree that making the user use a USB dongle isn't a big deal. If one usb port dies, use another. However, this is only good for desktops. Laptop users might find it inconvenient.
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Interesting. Wow, I'm surprised that they have support for a colorimeter that one can actually buy (not to mention that it's USB, not serial!). Eyeballing it simply is not going to work for serious stuff, needless to say.
It will be interesting to check back in a year or so to see how things are coming. Hopefully GIMP will have 16 bit support,
and maybe there will even be some rudimentary support for XMP metadata in some sort of basic image viewer, that hopefully supports DNG raw files, because that's what I have 80GB+ of already (tagged with info by Bridge in XMP, of course).
Sorry, I digress. Back to discussing MS's licensing practices...
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Interesting. Wow, I'm surprised that they have support for a colorimeter that one can actually buy (not to mention that it's USB, not serial!). Eyeballing it simply is not going to work for serious stuff, needless to say.
I don't care about CMYK for my work, but I like to use larger color working spaces (Adobe RGB or even ProPhoto RGB if the image calls for it), and please don't try to compare my desire for 16 bit support (mainly for the large color spaces, to prevent banding in gradients, e.g. sky, after edits) to "serious" audiophiles who use $2000 power cords and custom wooden knobs for their potentiometers to "improve" audio quality. It's nice to dismiss the need for 16 bit because GIMP doesn't have it, but that doesn't change the fact that unlike those other things, 16bpc can actually be useful.
It will be interesting to check back in a year or so to see how things are coming. Hopefully GIMP will have 16 bit support, and maybe there will even be some rudimentary support for XMP metadata in some sort of basic image viewer, that hopefully supports DNG raw files, because that's what I have 80GB+ of already (tagged with info by Bridge in XMP, of course).
Sorry, I digress. Back to discussing MS's licensing practices...
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Most people here buy OEM XP instead of retail, which is already limited to one "hardware system." So OEM Vista won't be any different.
Of the few that buy Retail versions of an OS, not many move them to a completely new "hardware system" more than once in several years, so again no big deal.
I do worry about the puppies though.
Most people don't buy windows, full stop. 80% of windows installs are pirated. That's what they're trying to fix. But hopefully they're digging their own smelly grave.
And this install i'm on is legal. I'm at work.
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Most people here buy OEM XP instead of retail, which is already limited to one "hardware system." So OEM Vista won't be any different.
Of the few that buy Retail versions of an OS, not many move them to a completely new "hardware system" more than once in several years, so again no big deal.
I do worry about the puppies though.
Most people don't buy windows, full stop. 80% of windows installs are pirated. That's what they're trying to fix. But hopefully they're digging their own smelly grave.
And this install i'm on is legal. I'm at work.
If you're going to say it please have a link to back up that statement.Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Most people here buy OEM XP instead of retail, which is already limited to one "hardware system." So OEM Vista won't be any different.
Of the few that buy Retail versions of an OS, not many move them to a completely new "hardware system" more than once in several years, so again no big deal.
I do worry about the puppies though.
Most people don't buy windows, full stop. 80% of windows installs are pirated. That's what they're trying to fix. But hopefully they're digging their own smelly grave.
And this install i'm on is legal. I'm at work.
Like POSIX?Originally posted by: VIAN
There should be an API independent of the OS.
For hardware there is the x86 and x86-64 ISA. PowerPC and POWER machines have their ISA.And OS and Hardware should program to that.
Well.. x86 was definately Intel and AMD64 (aka x86-64) was AMD.The API's should be created by a board of CPU manufacturers, just like OpenGL has a board. CPU manufacturers, most Intel, are the ones responsible for designing most of the platform.
Just like a browser to an OS, an OS would be to this API. Then we wouldn't have to take MS's monopoly BS.
No way are 80% of XP installs pirated. Windows 98 and 2000 are a totally different story.Originally posted by: nweaver
since that 80% number was thrown out...
I think it's probably MORE THEN 80% that are OEM machines, which come with a licensed copy of windows.