New licensing terms for Windows Vista are a shocker.

[stash]

You act like it's a bunch of evil emperors and darth vaders sitting around going mwahaha!

Dude, doesn't the Emperor theme from Star Wars play everytime you walk into the office?? It does for me.

And then I huddle with my team and plot our takeover of the world. There is much pinky holding and testosterone (even from the women!) and general diabolicalness. And when my team walks around campus, we march in lockstep and one guy carries a flag that has a penguin with a red circle and cross over it. People salute as we pass by, and trumpets blare.

Every day at 1400, no matter where we are, we face Redmond and pray to our benevolent leaders, Bill and Steve, who will help us to reach enlightenment and assimilate the planet.

 

[greylica]

Hey Smilin, I don´t mind if you or your parents work on MS, I really know that in the end of the days you will be absolved for that sin.
Well you want facts, I have better than this, I have NEW IDEAS, REALLY JUST.
Even if 98% of sales is OEM, the only justificative for this new EULA is Microsoft never wanted to support the users of the OS, and when you read carefully the new EULA, you will know there are a bunch of new limitations, most of them absurd.
Imagine if you face a problem, you cannot solve by yourself, you will remember each day when a DOC closes without explanatin and cannot do anything since you cannot analyse what happened, and in case that you solved the problem you are a criminal fugitive for only have saved a DOC for the school. Hauahuahauahua. Realize this :

12 years old, criminal:
- My son what you did ? ,
- Father a message on the computer said that the register has a bad filename, I changed the register and fixed it ... I tell my friends to save them too...
When you are earing this your son is being arrested by the FBI knocking on your door ...

I wil always remember, thanks to Linux, Miicrosoft is better now, thanks to Linux, they listenned to the consumers, thanks to Linux, Microsoft has changed a lot.
But now they are wanting to restore the Darth Vader image that it has before.
You can renegate this, everyone can lie to themselves too.
There is no problem if I´m only on the fourteen post Right now, the things that you know can be the same I Know, you don´t know me but I Knew you by your reaction.
If I tell you Linux is better you will probably enter in a state of ebulition. Defending MS.
You can defend the new EULA, and defend Microsoft as well. If I am an employee
I willl defend my job too. But when they think you are obsolete, you ass will not escape too.
What I am telling you is that they don´t want to support the honest people with this new EULA, and a person who bought an OEM Version and changed the hardware, will be not satisfied too, even if the Microsoft Casino aproves their renew key.
There is so many things going wtrong, but people accept only if they can, WGA invalidation on machines legally aquired is another instance of the injustice that Microsoft is doing with their honest partners, and no one can do nothing about it, cause people like you defend their wrong position as if where right, and no new idea is coming.

I have an Idea to save this EULA and I have certainty that everyone here will give me reason, we can vote for your position ( Microsoft EULA the way it is ) , and a new and Just Idea for solve the problem and stop this entire flamewar against MS, not a fact , but IDEA, do you have any better than This ?

Change the paragraph where they kill RETAIL to something like this :

" The User can use the software in only one device thats licensed, no other device can be licensed for use when one is being used. In case of licensing a new device, the user can only do this change of hardware after 180 days of last activation "

They can extend this time to a year if they are not satisfied. It will be helpfuul for people who buy new motherboards and new processors but do not change graphics cards HDDs and Optical drives, they not always change the computer enclosure too.

Simple and beautifull. Do you think any better even working on Microsoft ?

What will happen, is a person will only be able to reactivate new devices after 180 days of the older device, thus guaranting the rights for the Retail User and limiting and preventing counterfeiting or more than one activation. A person will only be able to change the hardware after 6 months, it is sufficient time to buy a new hardware well focused in their work and not impose a bunch of idiotic limits.

It solves everything.

Oh, I need help.... Can I cry for you ?

 

[stash]

Holy. Freaking. Crap.

Can we have Link19 back? He was a pleasure compared to this drivel.

 

[greylica]

Instalation phase has been done.
This is for you Smilin !!

My new lovely screenshot, Linux...

Dual VGA quadro 4000 installed and functioning properly, P4 EE3600, 4GB RAM, Intel D875PBZ, 1,2TB of HDD, Blenderizing at full speed. I´m not dependant on O.S demands. I have a chance and a choice, thanks to Linux too.

Blender is a free ultrapowerfull tool to create, animate and renderize 3D Cinema Films, for it´s cross platform, it deserves more than 10 Stars, and it´s completely free from any charge.

 

[pcgeek11]

greylica

Your link doesn't work...

I'm out of here too, that last rant was way out past our solar system............................. Somebody needs to up the Meds..

pcgeek11

 

[KPACOTKA]

Can you change OS in you game console? Not. Regular computers should have the same way. OS is in ROM, never changed and you do not care about all this scary stuff.

If you do not know how to waste time, just go ahead, but parts, build a computer, install Linux and enjoy all problems keeping you busy.

 

[greylica]

The only thing that I had to do is change two TXT files, there is no waste for time like you said, it´s really the oposite situation I´m living here, and when you see not so only the things that are in your front but the things you can learn that are different and possibly better, you can do a exercise for your brain enriching it and learning how big your world can be.
Linux is not waste time, Linux is the only choice that we have to conquer our liberty again, I´m not sorry for my own computer and the switch can be the best thing that I ever did, I can for a sample mount an render farm with as many computers as I want and professionally use Linux to acelerate My Job, but desktop Linux is better than never now.
They change the things that anoy anyone who don´t know how to use it. My wife is using it and said " Wow, is the net faster now ? ,Did you buy other plan ? " , I said "No, I didn´t...", It´s only the OS that has changed.

I am not here to defend or not an O.S. but the way I see the things that users are treating this punish statements onto the new EULA, and knowing Microsoft in the past, and knowing that my liberty to change the computer is affected, I can say NO ! You do not have the rights to say to everyone to TRASH $399,00 only because you don´t want to support experienced users.
If I send a letter to them or call or do anything it will not fuction, they will not change this idioctic new limit in the EULA. War againt Microsoft ? No, is better change my self, at least I will not spend my time thinking the U$399,00 was gone when I change the motherboard of My computer or do an Bios Upgrade or anything that possibly can do my self loose a money that I worked for, any changes in the hardware MB and your money gone.
Among other things there is a bigger reason for me to act this way too, and this it the most important, I´m a honest person, did not pirate Windows and don´t deserve to be punished with a product thats poorer than XP in license terms. And I have 5 licenses. This EULA is siimply unaceptable for a higher priced product that I ever bought in the past to avoid loose money for a computer change.

Everyone can switch to linux, is better now start using the right way software and don´t want to give more money to Microsoft to punish us back with inventions on EULA that was good the way it was on XP RETAIL.

 

[KrillBee]

greylica,

Your posts are long and very incoherent, and they are flooding this thread making it difficult to read through.
Can you please either stop posting in this thread, or just clean up and shorten what you are trying to say? thanks!

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: stash
Holy. Freaking. Crap.

QFT! greylica, if you have something pertinent to say we are listening. But as it is your current input makes no sense.

 

[greylica]

OK , I try to explain other posts in few words, I do not want to flood, thanks for listening.

 

[Xellos2099]

Well, quote form cnet, microsoft eula is illegal, thus, unenforceable according to court.

http://news.com.com/5208-1016-0.html?fo...eadID=22083&messageID=194260&start=-16

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Well, quote form cnet, microsoft eula is illegal, thus, unenforceable according to court.

http://news.com.com/5208-1016-0.html?fo...eadID=22083&messageID=194260&start=-16

Well be very suspicious about that sort of thing.
People also sound very compelling to when they talk about we don't have to pay taxes due to the constitution, but I don't beleive them either.

People have always been suspicious about EULA's. It makes sense to think of them as contract law, but every time I've ever done a real contract you'd end up with both people signing stuff to a witness. A lot of EULAs are like 'By Openning this package your agreeing to the terms of this EULA'.. Of course you have to open the package first to actually see the EULA so that is straight nonsense.

But other then stuff like that your free to return the item to the store you bought it from if you don't like it, like everything else. If you don't like the terms and conditions of usage then take the stupid thing back. And no it doesn't count to email MS the OEM cdrom back. You send the entire computer back to HP or whoever you bought it from and get a different computer.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well untill this is really nailed down in a good old court case that the majority of judicial systems recognise and the laws concerning software license and " Shrink Wrapped " EULAs we will all be just guessing and arguing over what is and isn't a Legally Binding EULA. None have been proven or disproven so far.

I also have some strong feelings about the old as well as the new Vista EULA... I have also used OEM versions of XP in a pc after changing the motherboard out. In my opinion this is legal as I built the PC so I am the OEM. If the original motherboard goes bad and I replace it with a MB of my choosing as a replacement... This is legally within the guidlines of the EULA. Of course lots will argue against me here, but I really and truely don't care.

The EULA should be a license to use the software indefinitely in one PC... regardless of how many times you move it. As long as it is only running in one PC. The same goes for OEM or Retail. This is my opinion and don't have squat to do with law.

pcgeek11

 

[Xellos2099]

Well regardlessly, i think supreme court ruling would preceed any kind of EULA.

 

[greylica]

From Cnet.
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Boettcher said that Microsoft has heard some concerns regarding virtual machine issues, but doesn't think the license changes represent a threat to Vista sales. "It hasn't come up as any kind of a blocker for adoption," he said.
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They never wanted to support the retail users, but it's the first time that they put us aside this way.
Boicotation is the rule.

In te Extremetech.
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Do you want more pirates using a unlocked software or honest users unlocked by Microsoft ? Who will really be blocked with this EULA ? The honests or the pirates ?
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[stash]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Well, quote form cnet, microsoft eula is illegal, thus, unenforceable according to court.

http://news.com.com/5208-1016-0.html?fo...eadID=22083&messageID=194260&start=-16

That's not a quote from CNet, that's a comment from some random reader.

 

[Hans5849]

license it to a hard drive, floppy drive that you never use, or a dvd drive.

Im running a pirate version of XP right now because i got tired of calling MS everytime i formatted with my legit coppy.

 

[kurt454]

Originally posted by: Hans5849
license it to a hard drive, floppy drive that you never use, or a dvd drive.

Im running a pirate version of XP right now because i got tired of calling MS everytime i formatted with my legit coppy.

Does not work that way. The license is tied to your motherboard.

 

[MeStinkBAD]

I honestly can not beleive people take these EULA's so seriously. I swear people think it's like a binding contract. And violating will result in severe punishments. After you purchase the software, it's up to you to agree with the EULA or not. They can't make you agree to it. It's your software after all.

Really, my experiance is, you buy the retail version of their software, the EULA goes out the Window. They don't care how many computers you install it on. Well they might care but certainly not enough to keep you from doing it. Microsoft knows that if they lock software to particular hardwear, people are simply going to avoid buying the software and just find themselves an illegitimate copy and use that.

 

[Wkstar]

If when installing the same disk for the fifth time It says you gotta call M$ then call them and say I want a new code
I had so many pop ups and pop unders and it was takeing 10 mins to start. That I just reformated the damm thing

They will give you a new code with no question asked
.

 

[loup garou]

I didn't read any of the BS in the thread, but as I expected, these licensing changes are exaggerated.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Well, quote form cnet, microsoft eula is illegal, thus, unenforceable according to court.

http://news.com.com/5208-1016-0.html?fo...eadID=22083&messageID=194260&start=-16

That's not a quote from CNet, that's a comment from some random reader.

HAHA, I'm gonna go make a comment on CNet that Bill Gates killed some guy, and then start linking to it as a fact :laugh:

 

[Bozo Galora]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/26...larifies_Vista_activation_to_bit-tech/

Microsoft today talked to bit-tech in a bid to reassure the enthusiast community about the licensing terms of Windows Vista.

We previously read that Vista could prove to be a nightmare for enthusiasts who upgrade often, with only one transfer to a new machine allowed and with the license tied to a particular system configuration in a way that was far more limiting than Windows XP.

A Microsoft spokesman from the Licensing Dept told bit-tech that this would not be the case. He told us that Windows Vista will not require a system re-activation unless the hard drive and one other component is changed. This means that enthusiasts will be able to swap CPUs, memory and graphics cards out without any worry about having to re-activate with MS, either on the internet or by phone.

Should you change the hard drive and another piece of hardware - for example for a major upgrade such as a motherboard change that requires a re-installation - Microsoft will allow you to re-activate up to 10 times. You will not, however, be able to have more than one machine activated concurrently.

Should you wish to activate more than 10 times, you could be busted, or Microsoft could choose to let you activate again at its discretion.

For hardcore system enthusiasts, keeping a ghosted, activated copy of Vista with no drivers could be a good way of being able to swap around components and machines with the minimum amount of hassle.

This would seem to clear up some of the confusion about Vista activation
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Vista (and XP) authorization is a big nothing

Wah Wah, the sky is falling

 

[Tuffrabbit]

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/topne...rosoftTriesUserFriendlyVistaTerms.html

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Tuffrabbit
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/topne...rosoftTriesUserFriendlyVistaTerms.html

From article:

Also, Cyril Kowaliski pointed out on The Tech Report that Vista's revised terms now resemble those for Windows XP. But Vista's terms may be more favorable, as XP licenses only allowed such transfers under "specific circumstances" like a hardware failure.


From Windows XP Eula:

TRANSFER?Internal. You may move the Product to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you
must completely remove the Product from the former Workstation Computer.

Note there is no limit on the number of transfers and there is no "specific circumstances" like hardware failure mentioned. This is what you call Microsoft spin.