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Dr. Detroit

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Jesse Stone: Night Passage - 7/10 (Streaming on Amazon Prime)

The 2nd film in the Jesse Stone made for TV movies, this is a prequel, origin story, on how Jesse ended up in Paradise.

Why can't Netflix make great flicks like this - its a great formula, tight script, great acting, and good cinematography of the northeast location.

Great weeknight easy watching!

Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise - 7/10 (Streaming on Amazon Prime)

3rd film in the Jesse Stone series and what a great story this one was. Yeah, the ending's are always a bit too tidy but I really appreciate Tom Selleck's acting and the cohesiveness of the entire cast. Viola Davis is super and the cast just gels and flows with another tight script.

 

Charmonium

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Shogun on FX 10 of 10

I know precious little about Japan's history. But the general parameters seem plausible --- Portuguese, Spanish traders. Xtian proselytization of the locals, etc.

The sets, acting, faithful representation of the culture --- it's all wonderful. There's even a brief reference to Pureland Buddhism. Mahayana Buddism was my primary area of study in college so that was a treat.

The plot is a bit intricate so you need to pay close attention.
 

MrSquished

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Saw Dune II today at the full 70mm IMAX theatre. Holy shit. I was totally transported onto the world of Arrakis. This was better than the first movie overall. Definitely some big liberties taken from the book especially at the end with Paul's sister not even being born yet, etc...But I can see how fucking insanely impossible it would have been to establish that narrative without stretching to a four hour run time. It should have been a trilogy - the first book that is. They didn't explain well how drinking the water of life gave them all that knowledge, could have done so with a simple line or two, as I think it was pretty simple in the book initially. So it most definitely was not perfect, but it was very well done.

But overall absolutely stunning visually and I thought the pacing was good, it really takes you on a journey. I liked all the casting except for Christopher Walken. He had a small role but honestly just felt totally out of place. I think the acting otherwise was well-done. I will see this one again in theatres. I did not have that urge with the first, even though I fanboyed it right after.
 

DigDog

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Jun 3, 2011
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i watched all of season 1 and season 2 of the classic twilight zone. S2 is substantially worse, has a couple good ideas but most of the episodes are worse. (i guess you run out of ideas at some point). i think they got at least 4 episodes where the kicker is time travel.
 

Fenixgoon

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Saw Dune II today at the full 70mm IMAX theatre. Holy shit. I was totally transported onto the world of Arrakis. This was better than the first movie overall. Definitely some big liberties taken from the book especially at the end with Paul's sister not even being born yet, etc...But I can see how fucking insanely impossible it would have been to establish that narrative without stretching to a four hour run time. It should have been a trilogy - the first book that is. They didn't explain well how drinking the water of life gave them all that knowledge, could have done so with a simple line or two, as I think it was pretty simple in the book initially. So it most definitely was not perfect, but it was very well done.

But overall absolutely stunning visually and I thought the pacing was good, it really takes you on a journey. I liked all the casting except for Christopher Walken. He had a small role but honestly just felt totally out of place. I think the acting otherwise was well-done. I will see this one again in theatres. I did not have that urge with the first, even though I fanboyed it right after.
didn't see it in imax but thought it was very good. there were a few times where i felt like it jumped around (from arrakis to harkonnen to wherever The Emperor is). I also thought Walken as the emperor was a little weird.

there were also a few plot holes, but ah well. still enjoyable
 

DigDog

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i am absolutely not paying $20 to watch Dune 2 in the theater, but yesterday i watched again Dune 1 (so to speak) and .. oh boy

I know i am going to need to explain myself at some point; i can see the endless praise that New Dune is getting from *everyone*, be they snob reviewers like YMS, meat&potatoes reviewers like The Critical Drinker, magazines, newspapers, and obviously social media and the audience on IMDb. I am in no way implying that these are fake votes, i know they are just too many and they are genuine.

But i watched Dune 1 and oh my fucking god. I kid you not, i burst out laughing *several times* for how absolutely horrendous of a film this is. The only explanation is that i am an alien and i have a completely different frame of reference from everyone else on Earth.
I have reviewed it before; i resent having characterized Stilgart as "a kebab shop seller" because he's the best thing in the film, and pretty good on his own. But i hated almost everything else.

1. i hate the Daft-Punk looking masks for the Navigators.
i'm not crazy about the guys looking like the Pope, i guess i prefer the original navigators from DLD (David Lynch Dune), but they are not horrible. the orange gas is a nice touch, i suppose.

2. i hate everything about Paul. Paul of the book is a formidable warrior. He is not "a 14 year old boy" as we would understand it. He is the goddamn Kwisatz Haderach.
Kyle McLachlan is actually a sensible choice at 25yo to play 14yo Paul.
Note that a book-accurate Paul would probably be horrible on-screen; just like book-accurate Sardaukar would be, and the way book-accurate Ornithopters are in D1 ..

3. i hate everything that is visual in D1.

I genuinely could write a fucking book just about THIS. How Villeneuve went and stole 1970s SciFi illustrations to come up with his shit spaceships, and absolutely got the worst he could. But this is just one aspect, i hate pretty much everything which is either a set or a visual shot in D1. I used to think BR2049 was shit but holy jumping jesus on a pogo stick.

4. i hate how both BAD and pretentious it is at the same time. I generally can hate something just because it's pretentious, but D1 is both BAD and also pretentious.
The Gom Jabbar scene is so . shit . that it deserves a Razzie for worst director. The cringy scene with the Shadout Mapes and the kryss knife is just so fucking bad .. you don't give such a passionate speech to a secondary character that practically does not exist in the script. This is not how you write a storyboard, this is not how you punctuate which are the main characters and which are secondary.

5. there are minor aspects of the plot that i could criticize (idk, how aggressive Stilgart is when Paul & Jessica are lost in the desert) IF the film wasn't so shit that it makes these things irrelevant. It's like criticizing the amount of sugar in a cookie crumb that you pulled out of a bucket of diarrhea.

6. .. the costumes. Omfg. Did they really just go to TK Max and buy a bunch of football / motorbike gear and paint it gray ?

7. Duke Leto is already a bad character, so i can't really criticize much Oscar Isaac, he's bad the same way that Prochnov was bad in DLD.
There's little excuse for both Rabban and Idaho for chewing the scenery, but maybe i could point out that neither of these two actors are actors? Or, let me put it this way:
You could get the same quality of performance from Momoa and Bautista that you could get from The Rock.

8. i did like
The Sardaukar planet scene.
Javier Bardem's acting.
the Harkonnen assassin buried in the wall was awesome

9. i did not like;
the Arrakeen miniatures. The spaceships. The fact that they have antigravity and yet fly on ornithopters (book problem). The combat scenes, all of them. Skarsgard's baron can't compete with DLD. The worm design - seriously, it looks like a sketch. It's incredibly fake. Carlo Rambaldi isn't an idiot, the 1984 miniatures looked great.

i am not completely offended by the fact that Kynes is a woman, or that Chani is ugly, or that ... that have both black AND white fremen ?!? (someone needs to explain to the SJWs why black people are black).

.. but i keep seeing the DLD version as just soooo vastly superior in everything. The miniatures, the costumes, the casting, the acting, the photography (well ok, aside from THOSE scenes), sure it's got a few things that didnt work out with the time restriction, antique technology, and limited budget, but goddamn, what a fucking amazing movie. When i see the scene of the Navigators guild freighter landed and the guild disembarking, i fucking come in my pants.
 
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JujuFish

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i am absolutely not paying $20 to watch Dune 2 in the theater

I paid $16.50 to watch it in IMAX and very much enjoyed it. Made me feel like reading Dune again, which I didn't think I'd ever do after the awful book that was God Emperor.
 

MrSquished

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I paid $16.50 to watch it in IMAX and very much enjoyed it. Made me feel like reading Dune again, which I didn't think I'd ever do after the awful book that was God Emperor.

There were multiple times where I wanted to just laugh out loud at how fucking insane the movie was on that screen with the visuals it had at that moment - it was so good I wanted to lough out loud at the beautiful absurdity of how good it was. I felt like I was in the movie it was very well done. This why I'll go watch it again, in a month or so when I can easily get a perfect seat.

Saw most of the Oscars, save the first hour, but went back and saw the Best supporting actress presentation. It was good. The pacing was fine, nothing felt way overdone or too long. I really like how they started presenting the best supporting and best actor/actress awards, with 5 previous winners each taking turns speaking about one of the nominees. And in multiple cases they seemed to have a level of personal interaction with that person. Overall one of the better Oscars I've seen. Donald Trump actually tweeted some of his usual drivel on Truth Social before the last two nominations were announced, and Jimmy Kimmel read it live. I feel ashamed that millions of Americans are going to vote for that guy, not only is he evil, but he is such a fucking loser with these fucking ridiculous tweets.

Poor Things is on Hulu now, going to watch that this week. Looking forward to renting the Holdovers as well. Plus the Fall movie.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Just finished Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug

8/10

It's the LOTR again with a sorta kinda different thing going on.

Sort of the same cozy blanket feel of the original but the action came faster and the whole thing just had more tension to it. Felt less like wasting time to somehow turn the Hobbit into a trilogy and more like a proper LOTR movie.

Smaug is a great villain, not often you get talking dragons in modern fantasy and I dunno why cause Smaug is that fun kind of "knows he's the baddesr motherfucker in middle earth" kind of self aware dragon that the world needs more of.

More Radaghast is always good, more Gandalf is good. Legolas is bulked up a bit and comes off much less like a ladies boy in this installment (which is a bit weird cause he's technically 100 years younger here than he is in LOTR) and Tauriel (Evangeline Lilly) provides some nice she-elf eye candy.

Draws a good contrast on how aloof and full of shit elves are to the rest of the races of middle earth vs Rings of Power, which is good for the movies but not great for the ROP show.
 
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pmv

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Best thing about Casablanca is it inspired the spat between Groucho Marx and Warner Brothers. When the latter's lawyers objected to the Marx Brothers calling their movie "A Night In Casablanca" and Groucho threatened to counter-sue them for calling themselves "Brothers" when the Marx's had been performing under that word for longer than they had.


BTW, here's Groucho's actual letter

 

mikeymikec

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May 19, 2011
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2. i hate everything about Paul. Paul of the book is a formidable warrior. He is not "a 14 year old boy" as we would understand it. He is the goddamn Kwisatz Haderach.

Yup, that's why he stalemated in a sparring match with Gurney Halleck in every version of Dune. Come on dude, make sense.

So you don't like this version. Dial down the rage if you want to write an interesting/informative review.

someone needs to explain to the SJWs why black people are black

... sigh. It's the SJWs this time, is it? Not the N-words, the immigrants, emancipated women, the gays, or the "woke" people... definitely the SJWs who of all people would insist that white people be cast as Fremen.

Why do you care what skin colour the Fremen are all of a sudden? In your favourite version they're all white (mostly pasty white at that), despite, y'know, being desert dwellers.
 

DigDog

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Yup, that's why he stalemated in a sparring match with Gurney Halleck in every version of Dune. Come on dude, make sense.

So you don't like this version. Dial down the rage if you want to write an interesting/informative review.



... sigh. It's the SJWs this time, is it? Not the N-words, the immigrants, emancipated women, the gays, or the "woke" people... definitely the SJWs who of all people would insist that white people be cast as Fremen.

Why do you care what skin colour the Fremen are all of a sudden? In your favourite version they're all white (mostly pasty white at that), despite, y'know, being desert dwellers.
1. yes. Gurney is a 40+ yo man who has survived several wars. "According to Dune, Gurney was trained by "the best fighters in the universe""
When your 14yo biological-perfection kid matches with a seasoned warrior, i think that's good, no?

2. do you want to do your own thinking, or should i help you?
I'm ok if you want to cast black people as fremen (well, up to a point because i'm a nerd so i would argue that they should be white) but, why are there WHITE fremen? Humans develop black skin when they are exposed to the sun - melanin, specifically, is the substance that protects you from UV rays. If one fremen is black, all fremen should be black. You don't have fucking diversity in Congo, joe. Everyone is or isn't black, in an population.

for the nerds out there, once you have a spacefaring race, the evolutionary trigger to develop more melanin disappears; even if you do re-settle on a planet that's mostly sun and sand, you probably would have slightly brown .. shall we say, "arabic" skin. Even first generation mixed race humans have lighter skin.
 

mikeymikec

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1. yes. Gurney is a 40+ yo man who has survived several wars. "According to Dune, Gurney was trained by "the best fighters in the universe""
When your 14yo biological-perfection kid matches with a seasoned warrior, i think that's good, no?
Your original point was that he was already the Kwisatz Haderach then rather than a 14-year-old boy. My point was that he wasn't, yet. By the time he was (though kinda but not really, according to the book), it would have been no contest for him at all. He developed in all senses, partly due to age, experience, learning the weirding way and exposure to spice.

It seems to me that you're annoyed that he's not like he was in Dune '84 (ie. obviously a mature man), but with no further reasoning attached. Coming back to part of your original point, the only reason that I can think of that characters like Paul and Alia might not play well on-screen is that they're supposed to be played by children for at least a portion of their lives, so good child actors would be needed. They're supposed to be disturbing/disturbed in their own ways: Paul is an adolescent who is going through a unique, mind and body-changing experience that no-one can help him manage, Alia is a child that has the memories/personalities of millions of adults prescending her and has to learn to manage her own developing mind and personality with everyone else in there, and so will speak like an adult and with far more knowledge and wisdom that most adults around her, and yet is still a child in other ways. It makes them interesting characters; it gives other actors/characters something more to react to.

Admittedly I don't remember Dune 2021 particularly portraying him as a boy (I just watched the scene again where he kills Jamis as that would be a key scene to show such personal conflict/development), maybe not any more than the Dune 2000 mini-series (which IMO despite its flaws is still the gold standard of screen portrayals of Dune). Paul from Dune '84 barely had any character at all from what I remember, but then it was from the era of "we need more stuff like Star Wars", so that isn't surprising I guess.


2. do you want to do your own thinking, or should i help you?
I'm ok if you want to cast black people as fremen <snip, I did read it>

You've added nothing of value to your original point that was not obviously implied the first time you wrote it, and I responded to that already. The only point I'll add is that Arrakis is a *planet*, not the size of Congo. A desert planet, true, but it's perfectly plausible for there to be skin colour variations along with every other local climate variation in an area as large as that, not to mention genetic variations introduced by planetary immigration largely in connection with business over the most valuable substance in the universe over however many years.

DigDog said:
I'm ok if you want to cast black people as fremen (well, up to a point because i'm a nerd so i would argue that they should be white) but, why are there WHITE fremen? Humans develop black skin when they are exposed to the sun - melanin, specifically, is the substance that protects you from UV rays. If one fremen is black, all fremen should be black. You don't have fucking diversity in Congo, joe. Everyone is or isn't black, in an population.

Let me see if I have your logic correct here:

1 - You're OK with Fremen being white (unspecified reasons, even pasty-white, "welcome to Scotland" type Fremen a la Dune '84, despite your argument about humans and melanin)
2 - You're OK with Fremen being black (citing a population of a tropical rather than desert region)
3 - Under no fucking circumstances can there be any skin colour diversity on Arrakis! Because "they should all be black" and Congo.



Overall I think your problem is that you're willing to give Dune '84 all the slack you can because you like it, and no slack at all for Dune 2021 to the point that you're criticising it in a manner that's bereft of logic and restraint, not to mention your still inexplicable mentioning of SJWs.
 

DigDog

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1 - You're OK with Fremen being white (unspecified reasons, even pasty-white, "welcome to Scotland" type Fremen a la Dune '84, despite your argument about humans and melanin)
2 - You're OK with Fremen being black (citing a population of a tropical rather than desert region)
3 - Under no fucking circumstances can there be any skin colour diversity on Arrakis! Because "they should all be black" and Congo.
correct. *science*

Fremen are humans from earth. Before the Butlerian Jihad, the planets of the empire were populated by humans of Earth.

While it's certainly possible to have Africans travel into space, once you have 20,000.00 years (the date of 10191 is from the establishment of the Golden Lion throne) of space travel, the need for black people to be black kinda fades away.
If the humans that populated Arrakis have had a change of melanin because of their living there (i dont think Fremen would sunbathe often, and they live underground) then it would be fairly uniform. Because ALL of Arrakis is hot. Arrakis is not Earth, but Earth is a good comparison. I'm sure you are well aware that all us Glorious White People are essentially africans, *except* we don't live bare-chested under the scorching sun.



Paul is the Kwisatz Haderach.

The lore of Dune is based on the effects of the Butlerian Jihad. After humanity descends into near-extinction due to their overreliance on thinking machines, and the subsequent destruction of all these during the Jihad, there follows the creation of the Guilds, which essentially try to replicate what the empire used to do previously with the thinking machines, but with humans. So you have things like the Mentat Guild, which, more than "trains", BUILDS human computers. The humans of Dune are mere tools, they are drugged, hypnotized, genetically altered, trained to death, in order to become Mentats, Warriors, Bene Gesserit, Navigators, etc.

The Bene Gesserit have a number of extraordinary powers, due to this selective breeding. Within their ability, they can manipulate the genetic code of the children they bear, and they have been working for centuries in the attempt to create the perfect human being, the Kwisatz Haderach (Hebrew for "here and there", the biblical Ubiquity, or to be in multiple places at the same time).
Another power that is relevant is ESP, however the Bene Gesserit have limits in their prescience. Navigators for example have a similar power, to envision the travel of a ship through space-folding while using a Holtzmann drive. Dune makes it clear that males and females have different limits on their abilities, so men can't do what women can, and vice versa.

When Paul is born, he is already an example of biological perfection. He is recognized by Mother Superior Gaius Helen Mohiam as being a stepping stone in the Kwisatz Haderach, but note that the B.G. doen't actually know what the fuck the KH actually is. They simply believe this is something that COULD exist, but do not know what powers it will have, or how it will manifest. They are in fact expecting it to be something that they can control, which is why they have been spreading propaganda on all the planets of the empire, so that when the KH actually manifests, the people of that planet will have a prophecy that makes them want to follow the KH.

What instead happens is that Paul is much stronger than what the BG had planned. He drinks the Water Of Life, which kills every male who drinks it, thus acquiring full omniscience which the BG think is impossible.

Dune is full of this warrior machismo. At least Dune 1 recognizes this in the scene where Momoa says he's been attacked by Fremen children and they nearly killed him (in the book the children massacre the Harkonnen, while the adults are compared favourably to Sardaukar warriors).

And Timothee Chalamet is, physically, someone who i could probably murder with my bare hands. Just leaving out the emo acting he's been given, he just does not look the part of someone who has the means to kick the ass of a fremen. He couldn't kick the ass of a granny, much less of adult Fremen.



Why do you think i like DLD, because .. "i like it"? I promise you i have watched many films in the 80s that were absolute shit, Dune 84 just happens to be a great film. If they want to reboot it, then they should have rebooted it better, not worse. I wouldn't say it's the worst film that i have watched, but it's fucking lazy from many points of view, pretentious to fuck (well, it's not The Green Knight, granted), and generally poor in most directoral choices, but i've seen worse.
 
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And Timothee Chalamet is, physically, someone who i could probably murder with my bare hands. Just leaving out the emo acting he's been given, he just does not look the part of someone who has the means to kick the ass of a fremen. He couldn't kick the ass of a granny, much less of adult Fremen.
I have zero interest in Dune but I agree with that point.
 

DigDog

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i also want to add that, no, i can't magically forget that i have watched DLD. Obviously someone who has never seen it, but watched D1/D2, would have a different reaction.
 
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sactoking

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I tried watching Dune in preparation for watching Dune and then Dune 2. It's, wow, it's garbage. I mean, I've watched some shit movies in my time and while this is no Observe and Report level of garbage it's in the bottom tier of movies I've seen. I don't get it at all.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Napoleon 5/10

too many battles with Josephine, not enough battles with Europe

-Napoleon needs a good Rome style series/mini series. It's just too much history and intrigue packed into one stretch of history for even a 3 hour movie.

Give us ofc Napoleon but also give us the perspective of people on the ground (Like Vorrenus and Pullo in Rome, maybe two of Napoleon's soldiers) and you'd really have something going.
 
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