New Mac Pro appears to kick ass

[Fenixgoon]

one thing i find retarded is this whole idea of apple ditching "legacy" support, as if its a bad thing. BIOS may be "legacy" and EFI is that new-fangled punka$$ apple kid in the commercial, but how much tangible benefit is there for EFI over BIOS?

quite frankly, all the cards that use PCI are the useful ones - sound card, ethernet card, TV tuner card, etc. a move to PCI express would be nice and all, but they should also be able to take advantage of the PCI-E X1-2-3-4 lanes available. sure PCI-E isn't legacy, but how much of an advatange does PCI-E x1-4 (where said cards would go) have over PCI in terms of bandwidth and latency?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

I don't think people understand the fact that Apple is a hardware company. There is no way in hell they will allow anyone to install their OS onto anything other than their hardware. And if you do, you would be violating some laws. Mac Pro kicks ass, and it isn't for you gamers, so stop complaining. You can't game on Macs and you probably won't be able to for awhile.

 

[Deeko]

Meh. The only thing impressive about the system is the processor. Everything else is very sub-par for that price. Plus its hideous.

 

[notfred]

Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

so THAT's where the 15-year-old-in-brooklyn-RIAA-lawsuit money went:|

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

agreed. the standard should be a quadro or a x1800xt at elast if they only need basic acceleration for masssive files

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

People who don't do heavy graphics work? If you're doing modelling for Pixar, you'll upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card. If you do audio editing, what do you need the upgraded video card for? Or if you're doing data mining or statistical alalysis or anything else that requires a lot of processing but not any special video capabilities.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
You can run both OSX and Windows on it. 1200 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

One of the dumbest statements I've heard in a long while.

Ok,
I just got a PIII 800mhz system!! It's awesome, I'm running Windows XP, ME, 2000, Server 2003, 98, 98SE, 95, 3.1, Linux, OS2 warp, Dos, NT 3.51, NT 3.1 all one system!!!!! Only for $200! Thats only 15 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
You can run both OSX and Windows on it. 1200 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

One of the dumbest statements I've heard in a long while.

Ok,
I just got a PIII 800mhz system!! It's awesome, I'm running Windows XP, ME, 2000, Server 2003, 98, 98SE, 95, 3.1, Linux, OS2 warp, Dos, NT 3.51, NT 3.1 all one system!!!!! Only for $200! Thats only 15 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

now why in the HELL would you run all of those?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
You can run both OSX and Windows on it. 1200 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

One of the dumbest statements I've heard in a long while.

Ok,
I just got a PIII 800mhz system!! It's awesome, I'm running Windows XP, ME, 2000, Server 2003, 98, 98SE, 95, 3.1, Linux, OS2 warp, Dos, NT 3.51, NT 3.1 all one system!!!!! Only for $200! Thats only 15 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

now why in the HELL would you run all of those?

You totally missed his point.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

People who don't do heavy graphics work? If you're doing modelling for Pixar, you'll upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card. If you do audio editing, what do you need the upgraded video card for? Or if you're doing data mining or statistical alalysis or anything else that requires a lot of processing but not any special video capabilities.

sorry...it's jsut that I am not used to regarding apple desktops for their number crunching abilities

Xserve supercomputers using inifiniband are one thing, but this whole intel/Apple is making me reevaluate things


I would still buy a dell regardless, but that thing looks so pretty for a quad core machine

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
You can run both OSX and Windows on it. 1200 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

One of the dumbest statements I've heard in a long while.

Ok,
I just got a PIII 800mhz system!! It's awesome, I'm running Windows XP, ME, 2000, Server 2003, 98, 98SE, 95, 3.1, Linux, OS2 warp, Dos, NT 3.51, NT 3.1 all one system!!!!! Only for $200! Thats only 15 bucks for each rig is pretty OK.

now why in the HELL would you run all of those?

You totally missed his point.

I know

It's goku though

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

People who don't do heavy graphics work? If you're doing modelling for Pixar, you'll upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card. If you do audio editing, what do you need the upgraded video card for? Or if you're doing data mining or statistical alalysis or anything else that requires a lot of processing but not any special video capabilities.

because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred
Once again, video-game-addicted kids on ATOT come to complain about professional workstation machines being too expensive. No sh!t - they're designed for people who make thier living with them. When you're pulling down $100k+/year producing music for Sony/BMG or editing hollywood movies, you're going to get whatever computer you find most productive, even if it's $500-1000 more than some other machine.

who puts a 7300GT on a $2500 machine? if it's a workstation, give it a workstation card!

People who don't do heavy graphics work? If you're doing modelling for Pixar, you'll upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card. If you do audio editing, what do you need the upgraded video card for? Or if you're doing data mining or statistical alalysis or anything else that requires a lot of processing but not any special video capabilities.

because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

notfred has a point.

corporate customers, and in general business customers alike won't stand for paying for something that they won't use....

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

If you can afford "a billion dollars" or the $100k+ price of a supercar, then certainly the $1650 price of the upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card should be a trivial expense, no?

Of course, $2500 is not really comparable to "a billion dollars", and there are certainly people out there who can afford a $2500 tool, but not a $4150 tool, especially "regardless of thier needs".

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

If you can afford "a billion dollars" or the $100k+ price of a supercar, then certainly the $1650 price of the upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card should be a trivial expense, no?

Of course, $2500 is not really comparable to "a billion dollars", and there are certainly people out there who can afford a $2500 tool, but not a $4150 tool, especially "regardless of thier needs".

im not saying you need the quadroFX... but at least something on the order of a 7600GT is deserving for the price.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

If you can afford "a billion dollars" or the $100k+ price of a supercar, then certainly the $1650 price of the upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card should be a trivial expense, no?

Of course, $2500 is not really comparable to "a billion dollars", and there are certainly people out there who can afford a $2500 tool, but not a $4150 tool, especially "regardless of thier needs".

im not saying you need the quadroFX... but at least something on the order of a 7600GT is deserving for the price.

why not a 7800?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
because you're paying out the a$$, that's why. if i spend a billion dollars on something, i want top of the line everthing, regardless of my needs. it's like buying a supercar - you buy for the performance, prestige, and all, but you still get nice comfy seats and a good interior. they could strip the interior like hell to make a pure race car, but that's not the point. similarly, if i'm paying $2500+ for some great computer, it better have great parts all around - not just a pretty case and two great CPUs developed by a company that mine lambasted years earlier.

If you can afford "a billion dollars" or the $100k+ price of a supercar, then certainly the $1650 price of the upgrade to the Quadro FX 4500 card should be a trivial expense, no?

Of course, $2500 is not really comparable to "a billion dollars", and there are certainly people out there who can afford a $2500 tool, but not a $4150 tool, especially "regardless of thier needs".

im not saying you need the quadroFX... but at least something on the order of a 7600GT is deserving for the price.

Well, you can get the X1900 XT for $350 more instead of $1650. If you think the machine is overpriced by $500, then fine, you think it's overpriced. However, it's being marketed to people who are willing to pay the $500 extra if they think it will improve their productivity by more than that.

 

[revnja]

They look nice, but I've had my heart set on the iMac Intel Core Duo for some time now. Was waiting until this week to see if Steve was going to announce an upgrade to the line. Think I'm gonna go ahead and buy one now.

 

[GreenGhost]

It may be cheaper than the FX-60 I ordered Friday. Just my luck... Should have gotten one of these with XP Pro

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: adambooth
They look nice, but I've had my heart set on the iMac Intel Core Duo for some time now. Was waiting until this week to see if Steve was going to announce an upgrade to the line. Think I'm gonna go ahead and buy one now.

Bah, wait for the Core 2 Duo which probably lands before the end of summer. Will ATI have a new mid-level GPU to replace the Radeon X1600 by then? Apple will probably use Conroe instead of Merom.

Only reasons to get an iMac or MBP right away is if you need one, or want to get the iPod nano promo for students.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I just configured this:

Specifications
* Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
* 2GB (4 x 512MB)
* 250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB (2 x dual-link DVI)
* 1 x SuperDrive
* Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English
* Mac OS X - U.S. English

$3,149 (Moving up to Two 3GHz processors is an extra $800)

I actually thought it's kinda well-priced. I was expecting some VoodooPC-style $8000 machine. Two 2.66GHz Woodcrest CPUs cost $1521.99 on Newegg. Throw in a premium, dual-socket Xeon motherboard...maybe $1900. hard drive & memory brings it to $2,200. Graphics Card brings it to $2500. Optical Drive, Keyboard & Mouse...$2600. Operating System...$2800. Not bad. Apple only charging $300 extra bucks? Outfit it with a nice LCD and you have a pretty well-priced Dual CPU Dual-Core System (as they call it, Quad-Core). This is nothing compared to what Falcon NW or VoodooPC would charge for a uber-PC.

Of course, it says 3-5 weeks for delivery. But I'm impressed with the price.

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: JM Aggie08
where's that skinny bitch in the commercials when you need him to spew out the ****** posted above?

Uhh, the skinny bitch from the commericals is in the commercials maybe?

 

[ultimatebob]

I'm curious... How does the performance of the Woodcrest Xeons compare to the Core 2 Duo? Has anyone benchmarked them against each other yet, just to see if the performance boost of the Xeon is worth the extra cost?