*NEW* Mac Pro taken apart!

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: lamere
I'm an Apple fanboy!. I just give credit where credit is due, apple deserves credit for asthetic design, it's the only thing that matters anyways. I have an closed mind except to apple products.

You see anywhere it says "apple" or "mac" in my sig?
No, thats because I have 'low ego emissions' so I don't have to tell everyone I own a mac, they can just look at me and see me for what I am.

See you for what you are? And whats that? A douche?

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: lamere
I'm an Apple fanboy!. I just give credit where credit is due, apple deserves credit for asthetic design, it's the only thing that matters anyways. I have an closed mind except to apple products.

You see anywhere it says "apple" or "mac" in my sig?
No, thats because I have 'low ego emissions' so I don't have to tell everyone I own a mac, they can just look at me and see me for what I am.

See you for what you are? And whats that? A douche?

Dude, don't pull this stupid crap and change my post or you're going to get reported. Dig?
Nah, you're reported.

And, I DON'T OWN A MAC. I would have no problem saying so if I did anyway.
Freaking retard. How old are you anyway? 12? It's past your bedtime.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: lamere

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: lamere
I'm an Apple fanboy!. I just give credit where credit is due, apple deserves credit for asthetic design, it's the only thing that matters anyways. I have an closed mind except to apple products.

You see anywhere it says "apple" or "mac" in my sig?
No, thats because I have 'low ego emissions' so I don't have to tell everyone I own a mac, they can just look at me and see me for what I am.

See you for what you are? And whats that? A douche?

Dude, don't pull this stupid crap and change my post or you're going to get reported. Dig?
Nah, you're reported.

And, I DON'T OWN A MAC. I would have no problem saying so if I did anyway.
Freaking retard. How old are you anyway? 12? It's past your bedtime.

hahahahahaha, WWYBYWB? PowerMac4Ever I quoted you and simply responded, I see nothing wrong here except the fact that your post exposes you for what you are. You see, you need to read between the lines.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: spike spiegal
Given the wretched performance of the Mac Pro with OSX forced to run apps inside Rosetta, and the fact I've never, EVER seen a Mac inside a corporate server farm, I'd conclude Apple users don't use their machines for serious work either.

Wretched? Like 20-40% slower than a Quad G5? That's wretched? Get real.

And universal apps, now common, have long since resolved that for most apps. There are holdouts, but see above for the speed comparison.

Server farms built on Macs aren't common, but Apple's 1U form factor, speed of that form factor, dead-simple setup, and dirt-cheap pricing are getting a LOT of attention. Dell's 1950 is ... not that competitive ... compared to some of Apple's hardware.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Xanis
the case looks a tad ugly, but the airflow and overall design and layout looks really damn good. put windows xp and bootcamp on that biatch and you have yourself one sweet-ass computer.

Too many problems, not enough hardware options.

What problems?

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Talcite
By definition of cheaper, do you mean in the free market or from apple? =p

That's my main problem with apple, they seem to require charging insane amounts of money for their parts. And if I pay that much for a system, I want it to work. *cough* macbook pro *cough*.

Anyways, I disagree about Macs being better designed than PCs. The only reason a mac seems better designed is because they have custom parts and apparently don't need to follow any conventions whatsoever. But don't worry, dell, alienware, voodoo, and HP all do the same thing too.

Please price a similar Dell with similar parts and get back to us on parts.

(Hint: Some of us have. The Dell is $800-$1000 more.)

No kidding. These chips aren't Core 2 Duo - they're Xeon 5100s. The RAM isn't DDR2 - it's FB DIMMs. The chipset isn't a 975 - it's a server chipset (5000?). This is not a garden variety Intel clone with an Apple BIOS.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Xanis
the case looks a tad ugly, but the airflow and overall design and layout looks really damn good. put windows xp and bootcamp on that biatch and you have yourself one sweet-ass computer.

Too many problems, not enough hardware options.

What problems?

Some software not working properly, internal speaker won't mute when you plugin headphones. Things that prevent it from being a good gaming machine IMO. Plus I doubt highly there's any EAX 5.1 soundcards that work when you are running under WIndows.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Too many problems, not enough hardware options.

What problems?

Some software not working properly, internal speaker won't mute when you plugin headphones. Things that prevent it from being a good gaming machine IMO. Plus I doubt highly there's any EAX 5.1 soundcards that work when you are running under WIndows.

What software doesn't work properly? That's so generic as to be useless.

First I've heard of the internal speakers and not muting - you mean in Bootcamp Beta? There's a reason it's a beta.....

Why is that an issue when the normal sound card is 5.1 and optical-out compliant already?

(I don't think there are many here that would suggest the Mac as a gaming platform.)

 

[lamere]

[/quote]hahahahahaha, WWYBYWB? PowerMac4Ever I quoted you and simply responded, I see nothing wrong here except the fact that your post exposes you for what you are. You see, you need to read between the lines.[/quote]
hahahahahahahaha, *yawns*
What is your problem, asswipe?
You didn't quote me, you changed my post, you freaking moron. You know, this one?

Originally posted by: lamere
Apple fanboy? Anything but. I just give credit where credit is due, and that new build deserves credit on design. I have an open mind, obviously unlike some.
You see anywhere it says "apple" or "mac" in my sig?
Yeah, that's what I thought.

See me for who I am? What the hell are you talking about?
I dare you to come over to theopenjam.com and act like this, it would be a riot to watch you repeatedly get owned, because honestly, you're skin ain't thick enough, idiot.

Seriously, dude, you need to quit trolling and grow up. I think I hear your mommy calling you.
See ya.

 

[dclive]

Whew....serious anger.

Back to the MacPro ...anyone?

 

[w00t]

saw it already

good stuff I have to say i am kind of disapointed they don't have a single dual core processor at least any options would be nice to lower the cost. I prefer the old powermac g5 case also

 

[dclive]

this one's essentially similar - what's different? a little more room inside, and easier to add drives - advantage apple with the new one.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Talcite
By definition of cheaper, do you mean in the free market or from apple? =p

That's my main problem with apple, they seem to require charging insane amounts of money for their parts. And if I pay that much for a system, I want it to work. *cough* macbook pro *cough*.

Anyways, I disagree about Macs being better designed than PCs. The only reason a mac seems better designed is because they have custom parts and apparently don't need to follow any conventions whatsoever. But don't worry, dell, alienware, voodoo, and HP all do the same thing too.

no, custom design of macs is better. their fan control is more advanced. the o/s could spin up fans in anticipation of heat in different zones on the g5. its probably similar in the mac pro. that level of fine control is hard to do on a pc.

once they get parralels working it'll be pretty sweet. run xp in a window and still have 3 cores left over! craziness.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
no fans on the processor heatsinks?

fan off the heat sink is a better design, because you don't get that dead spot right below the motor, and more uniform airflow.

 

[Shadow Conception]

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: spike spiegal
I'd conclude Apple users don't use their machines for serious work either.

:roll: I still can't believe people still troll like this to this day.

Big mac

Because HPC isn't serious work. And Final Cut Pro is some lame ass software right?

It's a matter of choosing the appropriate tool for the job. If you don't like macs, that's fine. There are plenty of reasons not to like them. But spouting trivial BS is weak.

And to think I live in the same state as that honorary college

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Too many problems, not enough hardware options.

What problems?

Some software not working properly, internal speaker won't mute when you plugin headphones. Things that prevent it from being a good gaming machine IMO. Plus I doubt highly there's any EAX 5.1 soundcards that work when you are running under WIndows.

What software doesn't work properly? That's so generic as to be useless.

First I've heard of the internal speakers and not muting - you mean in Bootcamp Beta? There's a reason it's a beta.....

Why is that an issue when the normal sound card is 5.1 and optical-out compliant already?

(I don't think there are many here that would suggest the Mac as a gaming platform.)

That's the ONLY reason I'd even install windows on a Mac...for Games. Otherwise I'll just build a cheap PC that is actually faster for gaming.

 

[spike spiegal]

I still can't believe people still troll like this to this day.

Considering this is a PC oriented forum, I'm guessing you're the one who lives under a bridge and feeds on goats.

I've still noticed you Mac users are living in denial about the fact Steve Jobs dictates the hardware you're allowed to run OSX on.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Too many problems, not enough hardware options.

What problems?

Some software not working properly, internal speaker won't mute when you plugin headphones. Things that prevent it from being a good gaming machine IMO. Plus I doubt highly there's any EAX 5.1 soundcards that work when you are running under WIndows.

What software doesn't work properly? That's so generic as to be useless.

First I've heard of the internal speakers and not muting - you mean in Bootcamp Beta? There's a reason it's a beta.....

Why is that an issue when the normal sound card is 5.1 and optical-out compliant already?

(I don't think there are many here that would suggest the Mac as a gaming platform.)

That's the ONLY reason I'd even install windows on a Mac...for Games. Otherwise I'll just build a cheap PC that is actually faster for gaming.

2D Games work Kickin' Rad with the new Parallel's beta, I was able to play Starcraft really well on my Macbook the other day, and it even worked with the two finger right click tapping built into OSX. The 2d GUI speed is now almost perfect, the only thing left is for them to get video card emulation running smooth for 3d games and pro apps.

 

[spike spiegal]

Compare The Mac Pro with a similarly equipped Dell. Now... Have fun owning yourself..

You do what to yourself?

Hey everybody. Have you noticed that Apple users are more obsessed about Dell than PC users?

 

[spike spiegal]

Wretched? Like 20-40% slower than a Quad G5? That's wretched? Get real.

Straight from a Mac site showing the the new Mac Pro having trouble pulling away from a Dual core P4:

http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/macpro/benchmarks.html

Of course if Steve Job's says it's faster, then it must be true, eh?

nd universal apps, now common, have long since resolved that for most apps. There are holdouts, but see above for the speed comparison.

I guess Photoshop isn't on that list.

Dell's 1950 is ... not that competitive ... compared to some of Apple's hardware.

Again, Apple users show a near sexual obsession with Dell. Most of the big server farms in my area aren't using Dell's, and nobody raves about the X-serve other than Apple sites. I build my own corporate servers and save about a grand, but you can't do that with Apple because you are only allowed to run OSX on hardware Steve Jobs says you can.

 

[spike spiegal]

This is not a garden variety Intel clone with an Apple BIOS.

Uh, actually it is, or you couldn't run windows on it. I bet you think the Apple servers are made in California as well.

Which brings me to another question. Why is it that Apple users have been bad mouthing Intel and Microsoft for over a decade, then jump up and down about an Intel based server kicking the **** out of platforms barely a year ago Apple.Com said was faster than Intel?

And you wonder why you have absolutley no credibility in the IT industry.

 

[spike spiegal]

no, custom design of macs is better. their fan control is more advanced. the o/s could spin up fans in anticipation of heat in different zones on the g5. its probably similar in the mac pro. that level of fine control is hard to do on a pc.

Flux capacitor must be out of phase again.

Leave to Apple engineers to invent a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and then market it to Mac weenies that think Steve Jobs invented ethernet.

I use two 120mm fans in my AMD servers or high end workstations, and that's it. Server farms I've been in running over a million dollars worth of hardware don't seem to need 'multi-zone' fan cooling either. It's just an issue with the dual G5 for some reason, but given Apple has now decided to use Intel clones they are using the same marketing technique.

 

[spike spiegal]

It's a matter of choosing the appropriate tool for the job. If you don't like macs, that's fine. There are plenty of reasons not to like them. But spouting trivial BS is weak.

What's trivial? Apple's still dominate for multimedia crap, and other critical things like rendering Disney movies, CGI, and mastering DVD labels for porn films. Windows based machines fill up server farms for banks, law firms, and data centers. Cruel reality, which is why Apple users are so sensitive.

I can show you commercial web-sites by the zillions hosted on Windows boxes. I dare you show me more than a couple hosted on OSX off an XServer.

By Apple's own quarterly release, the iPod and related peripherals account for most of the companies revenue. Micrsoft makes most of their money from the sale or ungoing licenses of business software.

Conclusion: Apple is an entertainment platform.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

I'm just here to laugh at lamere's massive eThuggin' up in da thrizzead.

Dude, don't pull this stupid crap and change my post or you're going to get reported. Dig?
Nah, you're reported.

:laugh:

I just wish he'd posted in FI, so it could be another source of hilarity.

I dare you to come over to theopenjam.com and act like this, it would be a riot to watch you repeatedly get owned, because honestly, you're skin ain't thick enough, idiot.

The design and layout of that forum bite so much ass that I can't even tolerate lurking on it, never mind registering to introduce you and your boyfriends to the back of my hand. Yes, let's allow images in the sigs. Better yet, let's allow multiple ones. Also cocks.

Seriously, dude, you need to quit trolling and grow up. I think I hear your mommy calling you.

An admonishment to grow up followed by a Yo Momma line. How clever.

- M4H

 

[spike spiegal]

Otherwise I'll just build a cheap PC that is actually faster for gaming.

A year from now that cheap PC will *spank* the Mac Pro and cost half as much to build, but given that Mac users here actually think Intel is building special processors for them, and Mac Pro motherboards aren't mass produced Chinese/Malaysian clones......

It's like, have youe ever seen parents of a retarded child do things to make them feel special, including make crap up? It's the same thing. Now that Apple is running on Intel Clones, their marketing dept is doing hand springs to differentiate their users from the rest of the PC industry.

I've worked in the IT industry long enough to see a lot of changes, but one thing I've noticed is that professional PC users don't need, and don't have time for all that emotional stroking from a vendor. We have work to do, and don't trust either Intel or Microsoft to tell us how to think. We shove the stupid box under our desk and get to work. With Apple users they need to put the appliance on top of the desk like somebody actually cares.