new MacBook Pro 17-inch announced

IlllI

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well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: clandren
well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

mac fans are often crazy?

im not interested in any part of the apple product line *shrug* and im not interested in any laptop bigger than 14", no matter who makes it.

/hugs his thinkpad
 

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Originally posted by: IlllI
well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

Not everything makes sense, but I do still have my MacBook box, with all its documentation just in case i decide not to give it to my sister and not sell it when i upgrade.
 
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bond007taz

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Originally posted by: clandren
well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

cuz that is why i buy a computer so that I know it has a high resell value...

we all know apple could make their product cheaper... they would OWN the market if they made them cheaper and if i could get a NEW Mac Pro under $1200 I would get it in a heartbeat

Simple Fact: APPLE is greedy

It has taken decades for Microsoft to get a clue - I dont think APPLE has that much time
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: bond007taz
Originally posted by: IlllI
well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

cuz that is why i buy a computer so that I know it has a high resell value...

we all know apple could make their product cheaper... they would OWN the market if they made them cheaper and if i could get a NEW Mac Pro under $1200 I would get it in a heartbeat

Simple Fact: APPLE is greedy

It has taken decades for Microsoft to get a clue - I dont think APPLE has that much time

Since you specifically mentioned the Mac Pro...

The Mac Pro is a workstation, it packs Quad Core Xeons. Those chips, on their own, are not cheap. In fact, I am fairly certain that just ONE of those processors at the 3.2 GHz speed is over $1200 (closer to $1600 I think). So, for them to sell them at a multi-thousand dollar loss just to gain a few points of market share and a bunch of customers they don't want... I don't see them doing it.

Simple Fact: Apple is a Company
Simple Fact: Companies try to make a profit
Simple Fact: Apple tries to make a profit

Listen, Apple could sell their systems for either less profit or no profit and definitely sell more systems... but make less money. However, in addition to making less money they would also get quite a few more customers that they simply do not want. Steve Jobs himself has said this. They do not want the kind of customer that you are. Expecting companies to bend over backwards and take it a huge loss on every sale.

This isn't the PS3, it isn't like their is a huge software repository that is driving sales of the hardware.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: bond007taz


cuz that is why i buy a computer so that I know it has a high resell value...

we all know apple could make their product cheaper... they would OWN the market if they made them cheaper and if i could get a NEW Mac Pro under $1200 I would get it in a heartbeat

Simple Fact: APPLE is greedy

It has taken decades for Microsoft to get a clue - I dont think APPLE has that much time

Since you specifically mentioned the Mac Pro...

The Mac Pro is a workstation, it packs Quad Core Xeons. Those chips, on their own, are not cheap. In fact, I am fairly certain that just ONE of those processors at the 3.2 GHz speed is over $1200 (closer to $1600 I think). So, for them to sell them at a multi-thousand dollar loss just to gain a few points of market share and a bunch of customers they don't want... I don't see them doing it.

Simple Fact: Apple is a Company
Simple Fact: Companies try to make a profit
Simple Fact: Apple tries to make a profit

Listen, Apple could sell their systems for either less profit or no profit and definitely sell more systems... but make less money. However, in addition to making less money they would also get quite a few more customers that they simply do not want. Steve Jobs himself has said this. They do not want the kind of customer that you are. Expecting companies to bend over backwards and take it a huge loss on every sale.

This isn't the PS3, it isn't like their is a huge software repository that is driving sales of the hardware.

No, it's just sheep who think they're buying something better than the other guy. In fact, I could get a laptop with a better screen, bigger HDD, 2x the memory and all for hundreds less than the cheapest Apple laptop. That's a big deal to me. I'm not someone who cares about being "in". I don't buy Apple stuff because it's trendy and cool. That's how they market things.

Just an example here.

An Asus Laptop with a 14.1" screen, 2Ghz C2D, 4GB memory, multiformat DVD/RW, 250GB HDD and Geforce 9300M is $650.

The cheapest Apple laptop is $1299 and has a 2GB C2D, 2GB memory, 160GB HDD, and a Geforce 9400M, but has a 13" screen.

So, to me it seems like you're paying more for less. Smaller screen, less memory, smaller HDD. I don't like OS-X that much in order to go spending hundreds more on a Mac. So what are you paying for?
 
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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: bond007taz
Originally posted by: clandren
well for what its worth, macs tend to have a higher resale value. whats even stranger is you can get more for it if you keep the box it came with.. which i dont exactly understand

cuz that is why i buy a computer so that I know it has a high resell value...

we all know apple could make their product cheaper... they would OWN the market if they made them cheaper and if i could get a NEW Mac Pro under $1200 I would get it in a heartbeat

Simple Fact: APPLE is greedy

It has taken decades for Microsoft to get a clue - I dont think APPLE has that much time

Since you specifically mentioned the Mac Pro...

The Mac Pro is a workstation, it packs Quad Core Xeons. Those chips, on their own, are not cheap. In fact, I am fairly certain that just ONE of those processors at the 3.2 GHz speed is over $1200 (closer to $1600 I think). So, for them to sell them at a multi-thousand dollar loss just to gain a few points of market share and a bunch of customers they don't want... I don't see them doing it.

Simple Fact: Apple is a Company
Simple Fact: Companies try to make a profit
Simple Fact: Apple tries to make a profit

Listen, Apple could sell their systems for either less profit or no profit and definitely sell more systems... but make less money. However, in addition to making less money they would also get quite a few more customers that they simply do not want. Steve Jobs himself has said this. They do not want the kind of customer that you are. Expecting companies to bend over backwards and take it a huge loss on every sale.

This isn't the PS3, it isn't like their is a huge software repository that is driving sales of the hardware.

No, it's just sheep who think they're buying something better than the other guy. In fact, I could get a laptop with a better screen, bigger HDD, 2x the memory and all for hundreds less than the cheapest Apple laptop. That's a big deal to me. I'm not someone who cares about being "in". I don't buy Apple stuff because it's trendy and cool. That's how they market things.

Just an example here.

An Asus Laptop with a 14.1" screen, 2Ghz C2D, 4GB memory, multiformat DVD/RW, 250GB HDD and Geforce 9300M is $650.

The cheapest Apple laptop is $1299 and has a 2GB C2D, 2GB memory, 160GB HDD, and a Geforce 9400M, but has a 13" screen.

So, to me it seems like you're paying more for less. Smaller screen, less memory, smaller HDD. I don't like OS-X that much in order to go spending hundreds more on a Mac. So what are you paying for?

I was only talking about the Mac Pro since that is what the previous person posted. I am not going to argue with any one about whether or not Apple's laptop pricing is off.
 

cmdrdredd

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Well the topic is or should be about the new laptop. Anyhow I also feel the Mac Pro is priced off. I can build a system with similar or better specs for less money.
 

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Well the topic is or should be about the new laptop. Anyhow I also feel the Mac Pro is priced off. I can build a system with similar or better specs for less money.

No, you cannot. You cannot build an equivalent Xeon system for less money. Whether or not the Xeon is necessary is not the issue.
 
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