New Machine help!

[PacFu]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
dude needs a dell!

HEY! You know the rules... only Nerf weapons allowed on newbies!

Seriously, I remember when I was a newbie and someone made a remark like that to me. I never forgot that put-down remark, and I never forgot who made it either. :frown: Be nice to the newbie, he may end up useful around here later

I dont think that getting a dell is that bad of a comment. The Gen 3 XPS...well, lets just say that they are pretty impressive.

Now to help dude out, if you are looking for an all around processor, I'd go P4 EE 3.4 and since these are based on the Xeon core, would that make these dual cpu capable?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: PacFu
I dont think that getting a dell is that bad of a comment. The Gen 3 XPS...well, lets just say that they are pretty impressive.

Now to help dude out, if you are looking for an all around processor, I'd go P4 EE 3.4 and since these are based on the Xeon core, would that make these dual cpu capable?

Wow. Don't take this personally but that was a terrible suggestion. First of all, the P4EE is NOT dual capable. Second, the P4EE is largely unavailable and generally costs over $1000 if you can get your hands on one. Third, the Athlon FX performs better than the P4EE and costs less. On top of that it's multiplier unlocked, and can do 64-bit in the future.

OP: If you want a gaming rig, dual CPUs is a complete waste of money for you.

 

[Firebat246]

hehe yea its cool I got the FX set in stone at this point....53 or if the 55 is out when im ready to order. vid card will be ATI X800XT and ram.....well I still dont know what to do im reading mixed things abotu which to choose. After I get the ram outa the way then we can move on.

 

[zerodeefex]

if you want the best of the best vid card, move to the $600 range and get the 6800 ultra platinum

 

[Firebat246]

I dunno i was informed to go with ATI over Nvid....i heard its better and from what Iv read and stuff, it seems to be true

 

[dennisjai215]

Originally posted by: Firebat246
actually I have been doing computer stuffs all my life....and I dumb down my talk for these forums so that I actually get some help. I know whats what and I like to do my research before actually going into to something to fast so I like to get opinions from others. I have looked at benchmarks for all this stuff....memory....vid cards....CPU's.....sound cards.....lcd's...motherboards....virtually everything. I am making a top of the line gaming machine and I wanna make sure I pick the right hardwear to go in this. Oh and I do have A dell.....its actually the Dell Ultrasharp LCD 20 inch and I love it ^_^

ha what a liar

 

[Firebat246]

hehe ok believe what you want

 

[Tiamat]

I might be speaking out of ignorance, but would getting a socket 939 mobo + AMD 3500+ or 3800+ perform same to FX series on Socket 940? That way you dont have to get the ECC ram...

EDIT: nm, The FX 53 is 939.

 

[Firebat246]

anyway for the people who are actually helping me instead of being a waste of space.....just let me know what you guys think on the ram and when I get a few more responces ill make a decision and then move on. Thanks again for the help

 

[Firebat246]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I might be speaking out of ignorance, but would getting a socket 939 mobo + AMD 3500+ or 3800+ perform same to FX series on Socket 940? That way you dont have to get the ECC ram...

I would still think the FX would perform better, but then again you could be right. I would have thought that I woulda seen some stuff online after reading so much. But from what I know it seems the FX53 is on top as of now. If anyone knows anything regarding what Tiamat said, please do tell.

 

[Tiamat]

Actually, It seems the FX 53 is now Socket 939. You are good to go with non EDD ddr ram. Sorry for the confusion (my confusion). Newegg has it for 875$

 

[dennisjai215]

newegg has retail for 875 OEM for 799 .. other places sell the retail for around 820 dont know why newegg si that expensive on the retail one

 

[zerodeefex]

Originally posted by: Firebat246
I dunno i was informed to go with ATI over Nvid....i heard its better and from what Iv read and stuff, it seems to be true

x800 XT beats out 6800 ultra, but 6800 ultra platinum is the NEXT step up, around $600. It currently sits as the fastest of the next gen cards.

 

[Firebat246]

hmmm but is that card even out yet? I have not seen it....unless im missing something. Send link to seller if you have one. And I still dont know really what I should do with vid cards. This is too much. hahaha

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

All the Vid cards are great this gen. You really can't go wrong with any of them. I still believe the X800XT is fastest (marginally) when you enable AF (they seem to have less of a performance hit with AF than NV does). If you run with only AA (no AF) then the NV and ATI seem to be very close, and if you run without both AA and AF, the NV is faster. Still though, the differences are really only worth arguing about if you are a fanboy. Otherwise, the cards are all very good, and all have advantages and disadvantages.

As far as RAM goes, you might check out one of Anantech's last RAM roundups. They have charts for a whole bunch of types of RAM, but what I've noticed is that most RAM performs similarly as long as it can reach the same timings as other RAM. Even cheap RAM can hang with the expensive stuff in some cases (and is often more compatible). Definitely check out your motherboard compatibility, because that seems to be an issue with some of the 754 MB's (but you'll be running 939, so I don't know if those same issues carry over).

Anyhow, the one thing that seems to separate RAM the most is the overclockability. So, if you really plan on pushing the FSB to overclock (which is less critical with the unlocked multiplier of the FX) then you may want to look at the reviews for RAM that overclocks well.

-D'oh!

 

[Firebat246]

Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt
All the Vid cards are great this gen. You really can't go wrong with any of them. I still believe the X800XT is fastest (marginally) when you enable AF (they seem to have less of a performance hit with AF than NV does). If you run with only AA (no AF) then the NV and ATI seem to be very close, and if you run without both AA and AF, the NV is faster. Still though, the differences are really only worth arguing about if you are a fanboy. Otherwise, the cards are all very good, and all have advantages and disadvantages.

As far as RAM goes, you might check out one of Anantech's last RAM roundups. They have charts for a whole bunch of types of RAM, but what I've noticed is that most RAM performs similarly as long as it can reach the same timings as other RAM. Even cheap RAM can hang with the expensive stuff in some cases (and is often more compatible). Definitely check out your motherboard compatibility, because that seems to be an issue with some of the 754 MB's (but you'll be running 939, so I don't know if those same issues carry over).

Anyhow, the one thing that seems to separate RAM the most is the overclockability. So, if you really plan on pushing the FSB to overclock (which is less critical with the unlocked multiplier of the FX) then you may want to look at the reviews for RAM that overclocks well.

-D'oh!

If you think the X800XT is the fastest..then how does it compare with the 6800 Ultra Plat version? Im curious because with all this talk about the plat version im not sure which to go with

 

[zerodeefex]

I'm sorry, I have confused you with the naming of the cards. The higher end X800 XT is the X800XT platinum and the higher end 6800 ultra is the 6800 ultra extreme. The two cards are roughly equal with one or the other beating out in various tests, but, from what I ahve read, the 6800 ultra extreme edges out in a couple more tests than the x800XT platinum. Honestly, it all boils down to personal preference as the difference in the speeds is minimal. Things like do you use a dual or multi monitor setup come into play at this point as NVIDIA offers dual head support that is light years ahead of ATI. Also, do you play older, opengl games or anything like that? All these things need to be taken into account when choosing which card fits you perfectly.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

If you have that much money please get a Asetek Vapochill and phase change that FX-53 on an upcoming 939 board that actually supports cpu voltages over 1.7, preferably at 1.9 or so (I think the new MSI 939 coming out supports voltages up to 1.9 in their bios). Simply overclock the hell out of the FX-53 to 2800 to 3000 speeds. As far as memory with the FX and the unlocked multiplier I would get good low latency PC3200 for best compatability with motherboards or get PC 4000 if you want high memory overclocks but good luck. Throw in raptors and a waterblock to overclock the video card of your choice and the chipset if overclocking that and zoom you are off and running.

Please get a 550watt Antec with this. Thank-you

P.S. Don't forget to volt modify the video card to unleash extreme performance

 

[Firebat246]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
If you have that much money please get a Asetek Vapochill and phase change that FX-53 on an upcoming 939 board that actually supports cpu voltages over 1.7, preferably at 1.9 or so (I think the new MSI 939 coming out supports voltages up to 1.9 in their bios). Simply overclock the hell out of the FX-53 to 2800 to 3000 speeds. As far as memory with the FX and the unlocked multiplier I would get good low latency PC3200 for best compatability with motherboards or get PC 4000 if you want high memory overclocks but good luck. Throw in raptors and a waterblock to overclock the video card of your choice and the chipset if overclocking that and zoom you are off and running.

Please get a 550watt Antec with this. Thank-you

P.S. Don't forget to volt modify the video card to unleash extreme performance

I really dont think its needed to go THAT far.....even if it is better. Thats overkill and overclocking just askes for trouble. Even if it is safe i just dont find it worth it to go to all that. Just wanna build a nice top end machine w.o messing with things.

A question for ou zero......these 2 plat cards....where are they for sale? do you have a link where I can see these becasue the best I see out is the X800XT and 6800 Ultra

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

The x800xt is the same as the X800xt Platinum; they just dropped off the platinum because the lesser card is the x800pro so there is no need really to tack on the platinum unless marketing demands it

The x800xt retails around 450 to 500 (I purchased it for $435.00)

The 6800Ultra is the top end realistically bought right now Nvidia card. Around $500.00.

Good luck getting the 6800 Ultra Supreme. The Ultra Supreme retails for around $600.00 if you can find it.

 

[Firebat246]

thats the problem....if you can find it

 

[Firebat246]

i dunno though becasue I have always gone ATI and I like them....but if the Nvid is better....then I dont know what choice ill make. Sheesh we still have not got done the ocz vs corsair yet and we are back to the GPU's

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Firebat246

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I might be speaking out of ignorance, but would getting a socket 939 mobo + AMD 3500+ or 3800+ perform same to FX series on Socket 940? That way you dont have to get the ECC ram...

I would still think the FX would perform better, but then again you could be right. I would have thought that I woulda seen some stuff online after reading so much. But from what I know it seems the FX53 is on top as of now. If anyone knows anything regarding what Tiamat said, please do tell.

From what I understand, a 3800+ performs basically identically to the FX53. That said, it's multiplier-locked, and has less cache IIRC. It costs around $700 whereas the FX53 is somewhere around $800. For the sake of $100 on something that expensive, I would probably get the FX. The 3500+ is very interesting for $500; I would imagine that you could FSB overclock the thing to be just as fast as an FX53, even if it were overclocked as well. You would need better memory though.

 

[PsharkJF]

I could be wrong, however, keep in mind that Nvidia has better drivers than ATi. I've always heard of people having driver problems with ATi.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: PsharkJF
I could be wrong, however, keep in mind that Nvidia has better drivers than ATi. I've always heard of people having driver problems with ATi.

That's not really the case anymore. ATi has come a very long way in the past year. I would say that ATi has better DX9 drivers, whereas nVidia has better OpenGL drivers.

I have yet to have any problems with my R9700PRO.

That said, I would get the 6800U in this situation. It performs basically the same as the X800XT, but it has more features. I've also heard something about a "boost" when using an nVidia card w/ an nVidia chipset.