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16:10 portrait is fantastic for reading web sites and text. Why do you think so man developers use 16:10 monitors in portrait for coding.

Most people use 16:10 in landscape for the purpose of having side by side windows. So it seems given that, we're still talking a more square side.

I have only seen 3 people even use their monitors in portrait, and 2 of them have the 3 monitor setup for gaming.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike a widescreen monitor. I'm just saying most text/graphics content is meant to be consumed in a more square manner. Therefore, reading webpages and web articles are better done on an iPad than an Android tablet.
 

jpeyton

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Which one do you think is better for reading?

iPad Mini


Nexus 7
 

Crono

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Which one do you think is better for reading?

iPad Mini


Nexus 7

There's something wrong with you if you read that close to the screen.

That said, the Nexus 7 obviously has a nicer screen.
I just hope none of these companies start pushing way past retina and start doing 4k on mobile tablets or phone. Not until they start pushing up battery life and more importantly onboard storage first. I'm happy with the 468 dpi on my One and think any higher than that - or even lower at 300 - is a bit of a waste on a 7" screen or lower unless you are driving a external display.
 

Tom

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Most people use 16:10 in landscape for the purpose of having side by side windows. So it seems given that, we're still talking a more square side.

I have only seen 3 people even use their monitors in portrait, and 2 of them have the 3 monitor setup for gaming.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike a widescreen monitor. I'm just saying most text/graphics content is meant to be consumed in a more square manner. Therefore, reading webpages and web articles are better done on an iPad than an Android tablet.

It really depends on the website. One thing to consider is with a 16:10 screen there's a bigger difference between portrait and landscape which in a way makes it more adaptable for different purposes.

On the other hand for video and movies, 16:10 is more efficient than 4:3, always.

I don't think this whole issue is the most significant difference between Android tablets and ipads, its the apps and the prices.
 
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thecapsaicinkid

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These discussions are always pointless. One tablet may be better for reading one particular website or text than the other and vice versa. Every piece of content is different and every person's ratio of what they view is different. You can't even compare large displays of the same ratio to tablets. I like reading webpages on a portrait 16:10 desktop monitor but would probably prefer a squarer ratio on a tablet due to the size of the text. Conversely, I wouldn't want to watch a 16:9 movie on a square tablet and taller tablets feel better for reading books. Carded layouts like Google+ look better with single cards stacked vertically I think too.

Oh and narrower ratio ~7" tablets are much more comfortable to hold.
 

MrX8503

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Which one do you think is better for reading?

iPad Mini


Nexus 7

The mini screen is lacking, which is why I never bought one. I still prefer a 4:3 tablet though. Maybe because that's what I'm used to with my iPad.
 

openwheel

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Most people use 16:10 in landscape for the purpose of having side by side windows. So it seems given that, we're still talking a more square side.

I have only seen 3 people even use their monitors in portrait, and 2 of them have the 3 monitor setup for gaming.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike a widescreen monitor. I'm just saying most text/graphics content is meant to be consumed in a more square manner. Therefore, reading webpages and web articles are better done on an iPad than an Android tablet.

Lots of professionals use portrait for coding and CAD. All of my drafters and engineers have at least one 16:10 or 16:9 in portrait. That's at least 15 in my building.
 

MrX8503

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I use a portrait 16:10 for coding. I hate pretty much all 16:9 screens that's less than 2560x1440.
 

thecapsaicinkid

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I use a 4:3 monitor for coding (Visual Studio needs some width for side bars) and a portrait 16:10 for browser/documents next to it.
 
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Lots of professionals use portrait for coding and CAD. All of my drafters and engineers have at least one 16:10 or 16:9 in portrait. That's at least 15 in my building.

Shrug, my drafters that I work with have dual 24s in landscape. With that said, I still feel that presentations are best shown on 4:3 screens. This includes websites. But 16:10 is meant for productivity so you can have side by side. Same with portrait. It's meant so you can do a splitscreen view. That's not saying you can't do it otherwise, but text/graphics content is typically oriented for a more square layout.

The exception is video as others pointed out. If you watch video ALL the time, then without a doubt you want a 16:10 or even 16:9 tablet.

What I've been arguing is that while such a population exists, people use tablets for general tasks like reading, emailing, surfing, chatting AND video. So having a 4:3 screen IMO is a good balance. It's not like you get horrendous video either or you can't watch video. It just depends for everyone what they need.

Which one do you think is better for reading?
SNIP

Zero relevance to the discussions regarding aspect ratio. I know you consistently push the ppi aspect of things and whatever you want to make Apple look bad, but sure. No one's arguing that higher ppi = BAD. I'm saying aspect ratio makes a difference too. I'm pretty sure all Apple supporters would like to have a retina iPad mini, so I really don't see what you're trying to prove here.

Yes we all get it, the new Nexus 7 is a huge upgrade over the iPad Mini, but what's the point of parading that around? We know there's a generation gap. Whoever hits the upgrade cycle first will obviously have an advantage.
 
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There's something wrong with you if you read that close to the screen.

That said, the Nexus 7 obviously has a nicer screen.
I just hope none of these companies start pushing way past retina and start doing 4k on mobile tablets or phone. Not until they start pushing up battery life and more importantly onboard storage first. I'm happy with the 468 dpi on my One and think any higher than that - or even lower at 300 - is a bit of a waste on a 7" screen or lower unless you are driving a external display.

when zoomed out with very small text, the 1st N7 was pixelated.
I have it side by side with the new N7 and small text is crisp on the new N7.
 

yh125d

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I don't own any 4:3 devices, just both Nexus 7's at 16:10 and an OG 16:9 Droid Razr. I really like reading on my devices in any case other than landscape 16:9 on my phone, it's a tad too wide for my tastes. My favorite would be portrait 16:10 on the Nexus, followed very closely by landscape 16:10. Portrait 16:10 with font size at 88-100% feels identical to a physical book, though I usually have text at 113 or 125

I haven't done much reading on an ipad, but 4:3 in landscape is pretty good, but physically it's just a little large for my tastes for reading. Haven't used an ipad mini at all


Also from a CAD standpoint, I'm a designer using Autocad and I have a 27" 2560x1440 main monitor, 24" 1080p both in landscape. Nobody here uses portrait




 
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Snagged one off Office Depot with a 30 dollar gift card. Got the last one. WOO.

I didn't even know they still existed.
 

ultimatebob

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TigerDirect screwed me... They said it was in stock when I ordered it, and now it's stuck in shipping soon status. Now they are telling me that it is back ordered for two weeks
 

OBLAMA2009

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does anyone get spontaneous reboots when watching videos on the new nexus 7? i was playing with it in office depot and it did that twice, but it could have been to start the demo app as well, i wasnt sure.
 

KDOG

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I'm highly interested in the new Nexus 7. I see that it has the SlimPort for TV out, but am I to understand that its the same port as the charging port? Assuming it is, with the fact that its wireless charging compatible, would it be possible to run the TV out while doing the wireless charging? That would be cool, since it would be lame to have to stop doing something like watching a movie on a TV to charge it. (First world problem I know but just wondering)?
 

yh125d

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I'm highly interested in the new Nexus 7. I see that it has the SlimPort for TV out, but am I to understand that its the same port as the charging port? Assuming it is, with the fact that its wireless charging compatible, would it be possible to run the TV out while doing the wireless charging? That would be cool, since it would be lame to have to stop doing something like watching a movie on a TV to charge it. (First world problem I know but just wondering)?

Yes Slimport uses the USB port. I can't imagine using it would disable the wireless charging, but even if it does, you can charge through the Slimport adapter

http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort%C2%AE.../dp/B009UZBLSG
 

Joe1987

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I'm highly interested in the new Nexus 7. I see that it has the SlimPort for TV out, but am I to understand that its the same port as the charging port? Assuming it is, with the fact that its wireless charging compatible, would it be possible to run the TV out while doing the wireless charging? That would be cool, since it would be lame to have to stop doing something like watching a movie on a TV to charge it. (First world problem I know but just wondering)?

Why not buy a Chromecast?

Only $35.
 

Commodus

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I find the determination to compare the Nexus 7 against the existing iPad mini a bit odd. Surely folks here know that the iPad mini is likely to be replaced in several weeks, right? Retina + an A6 is my guess, and that would make the iPad technically superior, since it'd have a slightly higher resolution and potentially edge out the S4 Pro in the Nexus 7 (the A6 generally outperformed the S4 Pro last year, if only slightly).

The new Nexus 7 is an awesome deal, although I actually found myself jonesing for the iPad mini (Retina, anyway) after trying one. The extra 0.9 inches is easier on the eyes; combine that with the 4:3 ratio and you can see considerably more content.
 

jpiniero

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There's been a lot of conflicting information about whether the 2013 Mini will include a Retina display. Apple is kind of in a tough spot since sales of the big iPad would fall off a cliff if they did that.
 

zerogear

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There's been a lot of conflicting information about whether the 2013 Mini will include a Retina display. Apple is kind of in a tough spot since sales of the big iPad would fall off a cliff if they did that.

Pretty much what I am thinking of doing, if they release an iPad Mini with Retina. I would dump the iPad asap. Though with Nexus 7 2013, I might do that anyway.
 
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