Fun night for you Nikon users... if you're in the market for an upgrade
D300s
D3000
70-200mm f/2.8 VR II
18-200mm VR II
D300s
D3000
70-200mm f/2.8 VR II
18-200mm VR II
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm having a hard time seeing what's different between the D300 and the D300s.
Originally posted by: arrfep
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm having a hard time seeing what's different between the D300 and the D300s.
HD Video and Dual card slots. IMO the dual card slots is a biggie. You gotta pay a lot of money to get that on a Canon. Plenty of event photographers go to the 1-series for that feature. If you can get that, video, 51 pt autofocus and 7 fps in a "prosumer" cam, damn.
Canon's going to need to step it up. I know that gets said time and time again, but they've gotta quit the feature crippling/omitting. D300s/D700 is a very tempting combo.
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: arrfep
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm having a hard time seeing what's different between the D300 and the D300s.
HD Video and Dual card slots. IMO the dual card slots is a biggie. You gotta pay a lot of money to get that on a Canon. Plenty of event photographers go to the 1-series for that feature. If you can get that, video, 51 pt autofocus and 7 fps in a "prosumer" cam, damn.
Canon's going to need to step it up. I know that gets said time and time again, but they've gotta quit the feature crippling/omitting. D300s/D700 is a very tempting combo.
Oh snap! I'm going to start saving up for this baby then. Video would be awesome! I love it! I was really afraid that Nikon would NOT step up with a video feature, but they did... hope that they didn't neuter it to hell and back like Canon did with the 5D MKII.
Weathersealed, crazy # of AF points, dual card capability, video and stills capability... it's hard for me to imagine a better globetrotting and a jack of all trades camera. Now they just need to have a version with about the same specs in full frame...
And I'm kind of glad that they chose NOT to cram more pixels into the sensor that would result only in a camera with all these additional features but WORSE noise and dynamic range characteristics.
Originally posted by: Madwand1
IMO, it's silly to buy a DSLR just for the video feature. Video is good for selling expensive DSLRs to people thinking that they're saving money on a real camcorder, when instead they're getting something that's more like a gimmick and a work in progress.
Originally posted by: arrfep
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: arrfep
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm having a hard time seeing what's different between the D300 and the D300s.
HD Video and Dual card slots. IMO the dual card slots is a biggie. You gotta pay a lot of money to get that on a Canon. Plenty of event photographers go to the 1-series for that feature. If you can get that, video, 51 pt autofocus and 7 fps in a "prosumer" cam, damn.
Canon's going to need to step it up. I know that gets said time and time again, but they've gotta quit the feature crippling/omitting. D300s/D700 is a very tempting combo.
Oh snap! I'm going to start saving up for this baby then. Video would be awesome! I love it! I was really afraid that Nikon would NOT step up with a video feature, but they did... hope that they didn't neuter it to hell and back like Canon did with the 5D MKII.
Weathersealed, crazy # of AF points, dual card capability, video and stills capability... it's hard for me to imagine a better globetrotting and a jack of all trades camera. Now they just need to have a version with about the same specs in full frame...
And I'm kind of glad that they chose NOT to cram more pixels into the sensor that would result only in a camera with all these additional features but WORSE noise and dynamic range characteristics.
My thoughts exactly. Ditto for wedding/event photog's and PJ's. If it were FF, I would literally sell all my Canon stuff tomorrow and get one. Besides being crop, it's basically everything the 5DmkII should have and could have been.
Originally posted by: arrfep
IMO the dual card slots is a biggie. You gotta pay a lot of money to get that on a Canon. Plenty of event photographers go to the 1-series for that feature. If you can get that, video, 51 pt autofocus and 7 fps in a "prosumer" cam, damn.
So is the D300 a PRO camera or prosumer model? Nikon calls it a new PRO model and certainly when you add the MB-D10 grip the combo displaces the current Nikon Pro D2x in just about every way. That comparison makes it very fair to call the D300 a Pro model. On the other hand the D300 also obsoletes the D200 prosumer model in almost every way and it only costs a little more than the D200 it replaces.
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We prefer to view the Nikon D300 as the biggest bargain around in a true PRO camera.
Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: arrfep
IMO the dual card slots is a biggie. You gotta pay a lot of money to get that on a Canon. Plenty of event photographers go to the 1-series for that feature. If you can get that, video, 51 pt autofocus and 7 fps in a "prosumer" cam, damn.
It looks like a pro model to me. The "Prosumer" label would apply only because many non-pros can and do buy it, not because of specific limitations in the feature set.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets...s/PDF/DSLR_Compare.pdf
Canon just doesn't have anything in this category. The 5D II, while of sufficient resolution to compete with the current 1Ds III at a fraction of the cost, is a "prosumer" model designed to be somewhat pro-feature poor in other respects compared to the 1-series. Nikon just doesn't have anything like this yet, but the pro D700x model is expected before long.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=448
So is the D300 a PRO camera or prosumer model? Nikon calls it a new PRO model and certainly when you add the MB-D10 grip the combo displaces the current Nikon Pro D2x in just about every way. That comparison makes it very fair to call the D300 a Pro model. On the other hand the D300 also obsoletes the D200 prosumer model in almost every way and it only costs a little more than the D200 it replaces.
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We prefer to view the Nikon D300 as the biggest bargain around in a true PRO camera.
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
You will probably be able to get this truly professional grade D300s for about the same price of the "prosumer" grade 5DMKII. Heh, or maybe even less.
Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
You will probably be able to get this truly professional grade D300s for about the same price of the "prosumer" grade 5DMKII. Heh, or maybe even less.
The list price for the D300S is about the same as the D300 - $1800, a lot less than the 5D II.
Watch out for the Sony A850 though -- if it's real, it might undercut everyone's (high-res) FF pricing.
Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
You will probably be able to get this truly professional grade D300s for about the same price of the "prosumer" grade 5DMKII. Heh, or maybe even less.
The list price for the D300S is about the same as the D300 - $1800, a lot less than the 5D II.
Watch out for the Sony A850 though -- if it's real, it might undercut everyone's (high-res) FF pricing.
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
If this new FF is $2200 and D300s is $1800, I wouldn't think twice about D300s. Liking Sony A900 images so much, I might sell 5D mk2 and move along.
Originally posted by: teatime0315
The only thing that disappoints me is the video, which ironically was what I waited for. Its still 720p and is limited to 5 minutes each round. That's way too similar to the D90 for the price they're asking. I was just hoping for a 1080p recording machine without the 5 minute limit.
Oh well, no rush. I guess I'll wait for the next one. In the mean time I'll pick up a new lens.