New Nintendo Console Debuting At E3 This June, Launching In 2012 Update: New Details

[reallyscrued]

It's not a given, otherwise Wii would be more powerful than the Xbox 1.
I'd say we'll be lucky if it outperforms the top end mobile phones out now.

At first I thought you were kidding...then I realized you were serious.

I could sit here and link you all over the internet but just...take my word for it. The Wii is more powerful than the original Xbox, just trust me okay? This discussion is tiring.



New console though? Fucking psyched. About damn time; I suppose there's no way they'll go all Sega Saturn on us and release it this year or something (not that I'd buy it, usually wait for a price drop or two) but sooner the better.

It will obviously support native 1080p so if it could render Wii/GC games at HD resolutions I will buy on day 1.

2 big questions:

1. Is there a new controller design or will it still use the Wii's? If they lose any more buttons it will be a deal breaker for me, it must real fashionable to keep up with the likes of Apple and their one button mice and shit, but games need buttons. Fuck motion controls for something that can be mapped to a digital key.

2. What kind of storage medium will it use? Blu-ray would require Nintendo to pay royalties to Sony I believe...so what the hell else is left? It would suck if they stuck to DVD-9s, that's not very 'next-gen' at all and would constrain texture fidelity to pretty much what's on the 360 at the current moment.


EDIT:

"Industry sources" state that the new controller have an HD screen built into it.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/

Not sure if want...

 

[smartpatrol]

"Industry sources" state that the new controller have an HD screen built into it.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...-2012-sources/

Not sure if want...

Nintendo has to have some gimmick to sell their console. What did you expect? That they'd sell it based on a great selection of 1st and 3rd party games, and an excellent online ecosystem? Yeah right.

 

[chalmers]

Not interested at all. I bought and sold a Wii twice on craigslist. It's fun for a one night get-together, then it collects dust for months.

 

[BD2003]

At first I thought you were kidding...then I realized you were serious.

I could sit here and link you all over the internet but just...take my word for it. The Wii is more powerful than the original Xbox, just trust me okay? This discussion is tiring.



New console though? Fucking psyched. About damn time; I suppose there's no way they'll go all Sega Saturn on us and release it this year or something (not that I'd buy it, usually wait for a price drop or two) but sooner the better.

It will obviously support native 1080p so if it could render Wii/GC games at HD resolutions I will buy on day 1.

2 big questions:

1. Is there a new controller design or will it still use the Wii's? If they lose any more buttons it will be a deal breaker for me, it must real fashionable to keep up with the likes of Apple and their one button mice and shit, but games need buttons. Fuck motion controls for something that can be mapped to a digital key.

2. What kind of storage medium will it use? Blu-ray would require Nintendo to pay royalties to Sony I believe...so what the hell else is left? It would suck if they stuck to DVD-9s, that's not very 'next-gen' at all and would constrain texture fidelity to pretty much what's on the 360 at the current moment.


EDIT:

"Industry sources" state that the new controller have an HD screen built into it.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/

Not sure if want...

There's absolutely no way they go beyond a DVD-drive. Nintendo is still too cost conscious. They're not going to do anything but pay lip service to the hardcore. They may be masters of squeezing as much as possible from the bare minimum, but that's all you're ever going to get from the modern nintendo. This is the same company that STILL has friend codes on their brand new handheld in 2011. They don't even have an online store for it yet either.

Can anyone imagine a world at this point where nintendo will release the first "true" nex gen console, one that's a significant leap over the 360/PS3? A world where nintendo actually has an online service on par with live/PSN? I just can't imagine it. They're so far behind on basically everything right now.

 

[reallyscrued]

Nintendo has to have some gimmick to sell their console. What did you expect? That they'd sell it based on a great selection of 1st and 3rd party games, and an excellent online ecosystem? Yeah right.

...it could happen.

Not interested at all. I bought and sold a Wii twice on craigslist. It's fun for a one night get-together, then it collects dust for months.

Basically...yeah, that's pretty much spot on. Not really sure why, but I was much more glued to Nintendo's previous consoles than the Wii. I hope they find a way to bring some of that magic back. I can barely bring myself to hook my Wii up now to finish Mario Galaxy. It's just...meh.

There's absolutely no way they go beyond a DVD-drive. Nintendo is still too cost conscious.

Probably not. Here's to hoping they're going to announce some new fangled quad-layer DVD at the least, otherwise it would disappoint.

They're not going to do anything but pay lip service to the hardcore. They may be masters of squeezing as much as possible from the bare minimum, but that's all you're ever going to get from the modern nintendo. This is the same company that STILL has friend codes on their brand new handheld in 2011. They don't even have an online store for it yet either.

I think the reason they still have friend codes is to reel in people who normally don't game. You know, your out-of-touch uncles/aunts and the like. But if there was ever any pattern to life, it is that things always slingshot back. Everything works like a pendulum. Dark Ages > Enlightenment and Renaissance. Now that they have a userbase, hopefully they'll start throwing in the complicated stuff.

My biggest gripe with Nintendo is their Apple envy; it's extremely transparent. In simplifying everything, they gave up a lot of what made gaming challenging and in turn, rewarding. The friend code thing must have been part of making things easy and understandable, so I think you and I are arguing the same point.

Can anyone imagine a world at this point where nintendo will release the first "true" nex gen console, one that's a significant leap over the 360/PS3? A world where nintendo actually has an online service on par with live/PSN? I just can't imagine it. They're so far behind on basically everything right now.

No offense, but that's kind of a narrow minded way of looking at it. Besides graphical prowess, I'd still give them credit for the motion controls, first console to have built in Wi-fi, standard wireless controls; then the whole 3D thing with the handheld. It's all horribly implemented, but to say there's nothing redeeming about Nintendo is misguided. With Wii2's graphics up to par, if they can just get their network set up in a logical way, there's no reason it can't be a great console.

 

[Fox5]

At first I thought you were kidding...then I realized you were serious.

I could sit here and link you all over the internet but just...take my word for it. The Wii is more powerful than the original Xbox, just trust me okay? This discussion is tiring.



New console though? Fucking psyched. About damn time; I suppose there's no way they'll go all Sega Saturn on us and release it this year or something (not that I'd buy it, usually wait for a price drop or two) but sooner the better.

It will obviously support native 1080p so if it could render Wii/GC games at HD resolutions I will buy on day 1.

2 big questions:

1. Is there a new controller design or will it still use the Wii's? If they lose any more buttons it will be a deal breaker for me, it must real fashionable to keep up with the likes of Apple and their one button mice and shit, but games need buttons. Fuck motion controls for something that can be mapped to a digital key.

2. What kind of storage medium will it use? Blu-ray would require Nintendo to pay royalties to Sony I believe...so what the hell else is left? It would suck if they stuck to DVD-9s, that's not very 'next-gen' at all and would constrain texture fidelity to pretty much what's on the 360 at the current moment.


EDIT:

"Industry sources" state that the new controller have an HD screen built into it.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/

Not sure if want...

I was mostly being tongue in cheek, but the wii (in quality of game graphics and in listed specs) does not state itself as being ahead of the original Xbox. Show me a Splinter Cell Chaos theory on the wii. I'm sure the wii beats the xbox in almost every area of raw performance, but the Wii's graphics processor is still a generation behind the Xbox's in features, and completely pathetic compared to what was available, at the same die size (ATI's radeon x1300 series) as the Wii's graphics chip, when the wii launched. One way or the other, the wii is approximately equal to the original Xbox. It's also a gamecube with a clock speed bump and more memory.

Also, the Wii could have been a mobile system when it came out, it's now behind what high end phones can do. Assuming Nintendo wants to stay within similar physical design considerations as the Wii, you're not looking at hardware that will surpass the Xbox 360 or PS3, but maybe they could be approximately equal. If nintendo's willing to bump the power/thermal requirements, it should be fairly cheap to outdo the current consoles (at least on GPU) at this point.

 

[chalmers]

Hey reallyscrued, you quoted me a bunch of times in your last post when I wasn't the author of said quotes You did get me right the first time though about collecting dust.

 

[reallyscrued]

I was mostly being tongue in cheek, but the wii (in quality of game graphics and in listed specs) does not state itself as being ahead of the original Xbox. Show me a Splinter Cell Chaos theory on the wii. I'm sure the wii beats the xbox in almost every area of raw performance, but the Wii's graphics processor is still a generation behind the Xbox's in features, and completely pathetic compared to what was available, at the same die size (ATI's radeon x1300 series) as the Wii's graphics chip, when the wii launched. One way or the other, the wii is approximately equal to the original Xbox. It's also a gamecube with a clock speed bump and more memory.

I would point out the good looking Wii games, but it never convinces anyone because most of the games on the Wii take an unconventional artistic design and what looks better is up for interpretation. Let's focus on your next point.

The Wii's GPU is not a generation beyond the Xbox. The Xbox used an NV2A, or a really optimized Geforce 4 Ti. Nintendo has always been pretty good at covering their specs, but if you can dig it up, I know the dev kits for the Gamecube used FireGL8500s, same gen as the Geforce 4. The Wii's Hollywood (being a higher clocked version of Flipper) is at least on par in terms of capable effects with the Xbox. There's even some games where there's an annoying use of bloom and fairly convincing water effects and such, the lighting does impress me from time to time and I'm primarily a PC gamer.

Here's the other thing: Everyone has an HDTV now. Everyone's got a 1080p capable flat screen. The Wii looks terrible on it, 480p just doesn't look good at screen sizes of 32 inches or larger and digital televisions don't blur any of the jaggies for you. I think everyone remembers the Xbox's graphics through rose colored glasses because of the kinds of tv sets they used to play it on.

 

[reallyscrued]

Hey reallyscrued, you quoted me a bunch of times in your last post when I wasn't the author of said quotes You did get me right the first time though about collecting dust.

Sorry. I think I started copying and pasting quotes and got confused. I figured you'd be more mad at me though...more along the lines of, "SKINNERRR!"

 

[Joseph F]

I was a big Nintendo fanboy until the Wii. When I first heard that it would be exclusively motion control (for the most part) I lost all of my respect for them and looked elsewhere.
Anyway on topic I think I'll be looking forward to this. But I'm not expecting much.

 

[Born2bwire]

I'll keep an eye on it. I don't really care about the game library. These days, I'll probably buy maybe around 10-20 games for a console over it's lifetime. There are plenty more than that that are worth buying on any of the three consoles these days. Given that the Wii was something like $250 it isn't too expensive when amortized across the games. So if the system looks pretty good and the price is not bad then I'll probably buy it and I'll end up pretty happy in the end I'd say. I don't think I'll be too interested in the next Xbox or PS now that I think about it. A lot of the good games on those systems I got for my PC (Borderlands, Fallout, Bioshock, Batman AA, etc).

 

[blurredvision]

I'm always interested in new console launches, so I'm definitely looking forward to E3 now. But I'm not anticipating to be blown away by the launch. I don't really trust Nintendo to make a system geared towards the more hardcore gamers amongst us, which is what I want. Which is fine, don't get me wrong, but the more family-friendly slant they've gone towards over the past few years isn't for me. If anything, hopefully this will force Sony or Microsoft's hand in showing their next systems this year.

The thread over on Neogaf is talking that the rumors state this new system is expected to be on par with the PS3/360 in terms of graphical capability. If true, I'm guessing that the rumors of a Wii HD were probably true, but then the Wii kept selling gangbusters so they just put it off for a while. This new system is probably an extension of what they were working on before. Just my guess.

 

[Kabob]

If it's not "more powerful" than our current crop of 2005/2006 technology consoles I'd be shocked...

Interesting for sure, I think this will drive the next crop of consoles from MS/Sony to be released more quickly (which I'm not necessarily happy about).

 

[Fox5]

If it's not "more powerful" than our current crop of 2005/2006 technology consoles I'd be shocked...

Interesting for sure, I think this will drive the next crop of consoles from MS/Sony to be released more quickly (which I'm not necessarily happy about).

The power budget of the wii is about 20W. That gets you an AMD Zacate level chip atm. How does the Zacate's 80 shader gpu compared to the Xbox 360's 48 shader gpu? I think it's inferior, or at least the total gflop performance AMD bragged about for zacate is considerably lower than the Xbox 360's gpu.

Is nintendo willing to go bigger and more power hungry?

 

[BD2003]

No offense, but that's kind of a narrow minded way of looking at it. Besides graphical prowess, I'd still give them credit for the motion controls, first console to have built in Wi-fi, standard wireless controls; then the whole 3D thing with the handheld. It's all horribly implemented, but to say there's nothing redeeming about Nintendo is misguided. With Wii2's graphics up to par, if they can just get their network set up in a logical way, there's no reason it can't be a great console.

I give them credit for innovating on several levels, but up until this generation theyve kept up on hardware and production values. If they can even get it "up to par" with the current gen, hardware, prodcution, and network wise, theyll be left behind again in a year or two. Theyve shown no indication of stepping up their game with either their most recent hardware or software releases. Sure, they can turn it around with time, but itll take some time. It can certainly still be a good console, and I'd certainly consider the Wii a good console but many years past its prime. But the leader, a real competitor in the long run? I just cant imagine it. I want to, but I just cant.

 

[smartpatrol]

Nintendo is in a crappy position now. The Wii was a sadly underpowered system. Its main selling point was its gimmicky motion controls that were unsuited for anything that requires precision, speed, or reflexes. It was marketed largely towards little kids and soccer moms.

I have to hand it to Nintendo. They found a new niche, and managed to separate those people from their money.

But, what happens now? Maybe they could come up with another gimmick, and hope to god that it catches on half as effectively as the Wii did. No doubt, Nintendo would LOVE to have another runaway success story. Nintendo took a huge risk with the Wii and their gamble paid off. I have my doubts that they can pull that off again.

Maybe they will try to make a proper, serious gaming system. The kind of system that has cutting-edge graphics, a real online ecosystem, great 3rd party support, etc. If they did this, would the gaming community accept it? Nintendo has basically spent the last 3 console generations cementing their position as the "second system" for hardcore gamers.

The bottom line is: Nintendo's business is based around selling to kids, parents, "casual gamers", etc. It has worked amazingly for them this generation, but I am still skeptical that this can be a long-term, sustainable business model.

 

[A5]

Nintendo is in a crappy position now.

Going to stop you right there. They're printing money with the Wii and DS/3DS - how are they in a crappy position?

This is going to be a Wii with better graphics and a more accurate controller. The only good games are going to be Nintendo 1st party titles, just like it's been since the N64.

 

[purbeast0]

Going to stop you right there. They're printing money with the Wii and DS/3DS - how are they in a crappy position?

This is going to be a Wii with better graphics and a more accurate controller. The only good games are going to be Nintendo 1st party titles, just like it's been since the N64.

haha i was going to click QUOTE as soon as i read his first sentence too, but then i saw your post at the bottom of my screen.

 

[Queasy]

If it's not "more powerful" than our current crop of 2005/2006 technology consoles I'd be shocked...

Interesting for sure, I think this will drive the next crop of consoles from MS/Sony to be released more quickly (which I'm not necessarily happy about).

Reportedly, it will be "significantly" more powerful and support 1080p graphics. Knowing that, Nintendo is going to have to pack in a Blu-ray drive or Blu-ray equivalent (which I don't know what this would be).

If part of the goal is to truly gain back third-party devs so that cross-platform games are released on Nintendo's new console as well, they are going to have to shoot high in the graphics department so that there isn't a significant gap between it and its competitors in the next-gen.

I actually like the idea of touchscreen controls as it opens up a new possibility of for control innovations. Devs would be able to essentially paint any controls scheme they want for use in games.

 

[R Nilla]

I had a feeling a new console announcement at E3 was imminent given the vacant list of upcoming releases.

 

[purbeast0]

the only issue i have with touch controls, is that they only work for niche types of games. games like angry birds and what not are great.

however on phones, games that have "virtual controllers" control pretty terribly conpared to their counterpart. the best one i've seen is Geometry Wars on iphone. and the reason is because there is a threshold of where you can move instead of having hard set "up, down, left, right" buttons. it is hard to explain until you play it.

but stuff like ssf4 on iphone and stuff is pretty whack to control, cause you don't get the physical feedback from the buttons.

but if they had a touch screen, MIXED with a controller (like ds possibly) then I could see that potentially being okay. but i don't really see it as more than being gimmicky, or for selecting plays in madden or something.

 

[BD2003]

Going to stop you right there. They're printing money with the Wii and DS/3DS - how are they in a crappy position?

This is going to be a Wii with better graphics and a more accurate controller. The only good games are going to be Nintendo 1st party titles, just like it's been since the N64.

That IS a crappy position. They make money on the console but they shave a terrible attach rate and almost zero third party support at this time. That wasn't the case with the gamecube. The GC had third party support on par with the ps2/xbox.

Before the wii came out, even "real" gamers were excited. They've squandered their momentum by resting on their laurels by making what should have been a transitional system into an extended generation. Previous nintendo systems were basically all inclusive, the wii has basically become exclusive to the extremely fickle casual market.

They didn't need to win back gamers' trust with the wii. I was excited for whatever they were going to put out back then. I had faith. Now I have nothing but skepticism. Theyre not the only player in the casual market, in the motion control market. They're not a player AT ALL in the online market or hardcore market.

Sonys problem with the PS3 was that it was far more expensive than the 360 without really being a superior experience. Over time the experience got better and the price went down. They didn't need to play catch up so much for the market to catch up with them. They can't just scrape the bottom of the barrel for the lowest common denominator twice in a row.

 

[lupi]

I've had my wii since a few months after release and love it for what it is. If the new one keeps the compatibility that the current has along with other improvements and can somehow still keep a price advantage over the rest, could see the big N continue its lead in console sales.

 

[blurredvision]

Reportedly, it will be "significantly" more powerful and support 1080p graphics.

Saying that it will support 1080p doesn't really mean much. Each and every 360 game since launch has had the little symbol on the back saying that it supported 1080p, but we all know that 99% of 360 games are simply upscaled from a much lower resolution, often even below 720p.

Throw in a good upscaler and you're 1080p ready!

 

[MikeyLSU]

It is an odd situation. I do wonder if the new console will be nearly the sucess as the original wii if only because how many of the casual gamers will flock to it when they already have a wii/kinect/psmove.

But I have learned that we should never count Nintendo out after the wii. I just can't see it being nearly the success of the wii without really upping the system in every phase. That means including blu ray and media center applications, upping the graphical power significantly.

We all know Nintendo does not sell consoles at a loss, and if they are keeping their same $250 pricepoint, it just will not be that big of a jump in power. If you figure the PS3 makes a little money at $250-$300 retail price, the wii at $250 can only cost around $200 to make, putting it at similar specs to the PS3 if that good.

I guess we will see in time, but I am skeptical they will put out a powerful console. Plus since they don't release specs, we will not know until it comes out just how good it is.