New Nintendo Console Debuting At E3 This June, Launching In 2012 Update: New Details

[seipheroth]

I highly doubt the controller will be useful independent of the main system. They dont want to cannabalize their 3DS. More likely the screen will be used to complement the main game, or provide some sort of individualized view. Think zelda four swords, not having to go into subscreens, being able to choose football plays or quiz answers in secret. Itll be a neat addition, but I dont think itll be anything like a portable system.

I think you're right, especially with the 3DS just being released it certainly would be a bad business move. Having individual screens for football playcalling or quiz answers would be great. Hopefully whatever Nintendo has in store for the controller is worth the asking price because it certainly doesn't sound like it'll be cheap to make..

 

[BD2003]

I think you're right, especially with the 3DS just being released it certainly would be a bad business move. Having individual screens for football playcalling or quiz answers would be great. Hopefully whatever Nintendo has in store for the controller is worth the asking price because it certainly doesn't sound like it'll be cheap to make..

I really hope it's not cheap to make. I hope it's bloody expensive, and they take a loss on top of that the way Sony did with the ps3. I want them to aim high.

 

[Dumac]

I really hope it's not cheap to make. I hope it's bloody expensive, and they take a loss on top of that the way Sony did with the ps3. I want them to aim high.

Didn't the PS3 do the worst this round, revenue wise?

Why would they copy Sony?

 

[seipheroth]

Didn't the PS3 do the worst this round, revenue wise?

Why would they copy Sony?

I think if Nintendo tries to sell the new system at profit, the hardware specs might not be so great. It wouldn't be too much to have a system that's slightly better than a 5-6 year old 360 or PS3. If Nintendo is willing to take a loss like Sony did with the PS3 we might get something much better. I think Nintendo can since they've made quite a profit from the Wii and DS, but no one knows for sure at this point what the new system specs will be.

 

[Thraxen]

Personally, I think I'm done with Nintendo. I've played each generation less and less since the Super Nintendo. The Wii has gone through several periods of non-use measured in months. I find almost nothing they do compelling anymore.

 

[zerocool84]

Personally, I think I'm done with Nintendo. I've played each generation less and less since the Super Nintendo. The Wii has gone through several periods of non-use measured in months. I find almost nothing they do compelling anymore.

That's fine as they're not catering to the hardcore gamer any more so anything anyone says here pretty much doesn't matter as we're not their target market any more.

 

[BD2003]

Didn't the PS3 do the worst this round, revenue wise?

Why would they copy Sony?

Because of the huge amount of people, many of which who were their former fans that say theyre "done with nintendo". This thread is full of them. They need to blow people away at this point. No one is going to be excited about a 360 level system when a 360 already exists, and they dont own the casual market to themselves anymore. Next gen, its everyone's game, and kinect has been a huge success. Sony and MS are playing for the whole market, casual and hardcore. Nintendo needs to do the same.

 

[Dumac]

I think if Nintendo tries to sell the new system at profit, the hardware specs might not be so great. It wouldn't be too much to have a system that's slightly better than a 5-6 year old 360 or PS3. If Nintendo is willing to take a loss like Sony did with the PS3 we might get something much better. I think Nintendo can since they've made quite a profit from the Wii and DS, but no one knows for sure at this point what the new system specs will be.

Nintendo doesn't sell things at a lost...they have no other departments to fallback on.

 

[iluvdeal]

That article focuses on their next console being more powerful than current offerings, but that doesn't mean very much since those consoles are around 5 years old and nearing end of life as well.

It's not Nintendo's goal to get into a hardware race with Sony or Microsoft, they know that's not a battle they'll win as Sony and Microsoft are willing to take losses on their hardware. That strategy paid off with the Wii, they had a significantly less powerful console and still won the console race, so I don't see them shifting gears there.

What do I expect to see from their next console? I expect them to aim for a pricetag of $299 or less. I don't expect to be wowed by the hardware specs like the processor speed or how much RAM it has as again it's not Nintendo's goal to run CoD with the highest framerates out of all the next gen consoles, that's all the hardcore crowd cares about but it's not Nintendo's main focus. What I'll be looking for is what if any they have up their sleeves with regards to the input devices. Will they have something new up their sleeves or will this just be an upgraded Wii?

 

[Jadow]

I think this is a bad move for them. I was originally pissed that the Wii wasn't HD, but you know what, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda all are a blast on it, along with all the Wii VC games that I spent the most time on, so it turns out HD wasn't really needed.

Sure, down the road it will be, but IMO, this announcement is a year or two too early and might cannibilize current Wii sales.

The current Wii is rolling just fine right now, no need to announce a new system yet.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I think this is a bad move for them. I was originally pissed that the Wii wasn't HD, but you know what, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda all are a blast on it, along with all the Wii VC games that I spent the most time on, so it turns out HD wasn't really needed.

Sure, down the road it will be, but IMO, this announcement is a year or two too early and might cannibilize current Wii sales.

The current Wii is rolling just fine right now, no need to announce a new system yet.

Did you say the same thing when Nintendo kept pumping out new versions of the DS?

It simply doesn't matter if it cannibalizes Wii sales, that's money Nintendo was going to make anyways. However its obvious that Nintendo wants to directly attack 360 and PS3 sales. Alone Nintendo is clearly number 1, but considering the similar capabilities of the 360/PS3 we can lump them together and see that the "enthusiast consoles" combined outsell the Wii. And because of their similar hardware capability they (sometimes along with the PC) share quite a few titles the Wii simply is not capable of running, Nintendo could easily produce a console that takes a piece of that pie.

Also, announcing the console in June of 2011 doesn't mean we'll see it any time soon. If its anything like the Wii, we won't get the console until November of 2012.

If anything I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner.

Another boon of not waiting is the fact that both Microsoft and Sony seem to be at point where neither want to get into another hardware arms race and both are trying to milk this generation for all its worth, extending the consoles out for a year or two longer than usual. We're now at the 5-6 year mark which is typically where we see a new console announced. Nintendo is doing that, Microsoft and Sony are not. This gives Nintendo free reign to announce an otherwise unimpressive console when it comes to hardware power but it will look all the better because there will be no benchmark to compare it to other than the previous generation. Twice as good as the 360/PS3 will be good enough because there will be no PS4 or XBOX 41,253 that are 10x as good (but cost $600-900 each to produce and sell for $400+)

 

[rocadelpunk]

Having grown up with nes and no longer a gamer I was absolutely thrilled with the concept of the Wii. The first time I played wii sports baseball and I could swing and it would mimic I thought this was it, what I had been waiting for.

When I lived with 4 other roommates in college the Wii got a lot of use, when I moved out on my own it got none. I didn't replace it with anything (have a ps3, but mainly for media purposes) it just never surpassed that initial thrill of wii sports demo.

I doubt nintendo has another revolutionary idea (not counting it out) or are willing to "perfect" motion controls (not counting it out) so I doubt I'll buy again as will most for whom their Wii collects dust/sold it.

All I want in my lifetime is an ultra realistic tennis & baseball game : )...Besides real life.

 

[Thraxen]

Another boon of not waiting is the fact that both Microsoft and Sony seem to be at point where neither want to get into another hardware arms race and both are trying to milk this generation for all its worth, extending the consoles out for a year or two longer than usual. We're now at the 5-6 year mark which is typically where we see a new console announced. Nintendo is doing that, Microsoft and Sony are not. This gives Nintendo free reign to announce an otherwise unimpressive console when it comes to hardware power but it will look all the better because there will be no benchmark to compare it to other than the previous generation. Twice as good as the 360/PS3 will be good enough because there will be no PS4 or XBOX 41,253 that are 10x as good (but cost $600-900 each to produce and sell for $400+)

This assumes neither Sony or MS are ready/able to respond. I agree that neither seems to be in a hurry to move on, but the end of 2012 is still quite
far off. Either could wait another year or so before even announcing anything and this next Nintendo system will still be months from launch. This announcement seems a bit early to me.

 

[Sureshot324]

If they're going to have a large touchscreen on the controller, it sounds like they may be abandoning the nunchuck idea. I'd be a little disappointed if that were true since I think that was a great idea for a controller, just never really reached it's potential on the Wii. Oh well, the PS move is very similar, and it's probably more likely that the idea will be well taken advantage on the PS3.

I don't think a touch screen on the controller will work nearly as well for a home console as it does on the DS. On the DS the main screen and touch screen are right next to each other so it's easy to look at them both. On a console this isn't the case, making the touchscreen useless for any fast action games.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Diagonal the entire nes controller def is smaller than 6 inches. There will almost certainly be buttons, but 6 inch screen...no way. That's basically tablet sized at that point. Maybe 6 square inches (3x2 in). I kind of like the idea of the screen on the controller, but not at the expense of the primary controls.

The Wii-mote is about 6" diagonally, although its obviously much wider and narrow. The iPhone 4 is about 5 inches diagonally (not the display, the whole thing), so something that was 7-8 inches but light weight wouldn't be unmanageable, especially if they kept the bezel thin and used other means for buttons, it wouldn't be too bad.

Really, plastic shells wouldn't be bad, since that's basically what old controllers were, and Nintendo has a fondness for them already.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1162204p1.html

Speculation that the games may be streamed to the controller has me interested, but at the same time has me wondering how expensive the controller will be. Yes, it'd be great if people bring their controllers along so they could play games in one place with their own screens instead of going split-screen. I ride Amtrak often, so I could imagine bringing a system along to play games on the controller, but I don't know how big or small the system will be. Can't wait for E3 to see what Nintendo really has in store.

That could be interesting.

 

[Aikouka]

The Wii is typically billed as the casual system, so I wonder what the attachment rate is? I can't find any numbers from 2011 with a quick Google search, but 2010 numbers were showing something around high 7s with the 360 and PS3 in the 8s.

 

[exar333]

Not that excited here; hardly used my Wii in a couple years with the poor games released recently. Besides the major titles released in the first couple years, recent titles have really been lacking.

 

[BD2003]

The Wii is typically billed as the casual system, so I wonder what the attachment rate is? I can't find any numbers from 2011 with a quick Google search, but 2010 numbers were showing something around high 7s with the 360 and PS3 in the 8s.

Just recently saw in gamasutra according to NPD its 360 - 8.9, ps3 7.8, wii 7.2.

Thats only considering retail, I'm sure if XBLA and PSN were factored in itd be even more disparate. Still, its a respectable number.

But new hardware isnt really going to make just dance, carnival games or wii fit any better than they already are.

If they got up to par tech-wise with 360/ps3, its a tough sell because those systems are widely available and cheap already. If they get slightly ahead they might have an advantage for a while, but that can be shattered within a year or two. (3do, jaguar, dreamcast, anyone?)

Basically, they better have a gimmick on par with their wiimote. I dont think screens on the controller is it - they tried that with the cube/gba and it really wasnt an earth shattering new experience like the wiimote.

IMO, they need to aim super high, and they need to be willing to take a loss for long term viability, or theyre the next sega. In either case, if the system ends up exactly as the rumors say, theyre going to have a long and tough road ahead of them. They can come out the other end like Sony eventually did with the PS3, but I just dont know where they go from here. Whatever anyone said about the n64 or the gamecube, they were generally on par with their competitors in every way. They should have been at 360 levels 2-3 years ago.

 

[Tom]

I think if Nintendo tries to sell the new system at profit, the hardware specs might not be so great. It wouldn't be too much to have a system that's slightly better than a 5-6 year old 360 or PS3. If Nintendo is willing to take a loss like Sony did with the PS3 we might get something much better. I think Nintendo can since they've made quite a profit from the Wii and DS, but no one knows for sure at this point what the new system specs will be.

I expect it to be more like an ipad than a PS3.

 

[RobertPters77]

Why 512mb of ram? The 360 and PS3 both have that much. At release the biggest gripe developers had was the pitiful amounts of ram. I believe an EA employee stated that 1gb of ram gives you an exponential amount of room to work with. At the very least the next Wii should have 2gb.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Does this mean they will duct tape TWO Wiis together?!

Serisously though, make it b/c with Wii games and I'll buy it. I won't ever let got of Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 - EVER!!

Also, the new Zelda is looking great,... so far. Hopfully there won't be any trippy dark stupidity like Twilight Princess.

 

[reallyscrued]

Why 512mb of ram? The 360 and PS3 both have that much. At release the biggest gripe developers had was the pitiful amounts of ram. I believe an EA employee stated that 1gb of ram gives you an exponential amount of room to work with. At the very least the next Wii should have 2gb.

My hopes exactly. DDR3 is cheap enough now-a-days. Please don't drop the ball on this one Nintendo. An extra $20 in hardware could future-proof the console for years longer.

Does this mean they will duct tape TWO Wiis together?!

Serisously though, make it b/c with Wii games and I'll buy it. I won't ever let got of Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 - EVER!!

Forget B/C alone, is it so much to ask it to be capable of rendering Wii/GC games at HD resolutions?

 

[reallyscrued]

Allow me to link to more speculations:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/19/rumor-nintendo-courting-rockstar-for-wii-2-development/

Rockstar developing GTA V for next Ninty console?

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...on-popular-title-for-nintendo-hd-console.aspx

Retro studio has had the SDK for a while now, working on a game "everyone wants them to work on", whatever that means.

/hype.

 

[blurredvision]

The rumor of a GTA V game at or around launch doesn't really do anything for me, but of course, I say that without knowing anything about the system or control scheme. Any abundance of motion controls or another shitty online system from Nintendo and nobody is really going to care about the mature slant Nintendo might want to take.

 

[BD2003]

Allow me to link to more speculations:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/19/rumor-nintendo-courting-rockstar-for-wii-2-development/

Rockstar developing GTA V for next Ninty console?

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...on-popular-title-for-nintendo-hd-console.aspx

Retro studio has had the SDK for a while now, working on a game "everyone wants them to work on", whatever that means.

/hype.

That better be prime 4.