New Nvidia Titan

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Beavermatic

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Hmmm...

The 780ti SC is faster in the base clock, and the 780ti SC with evga's fancypants ACX cooler is faster in base and same boost than the Titan Blacks.
 
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OCGuy

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This is a joke card. The original Titan was also a scam card, but at the time it was the only and first gaming GK110 card with no hint of the bait/switch to come with gtx 780. Once gtx 780 came the smart money was dumping Titans for aftermarket 780s.

This black card is a real joke now. We already have full GK110 in 780ti and aftermarket cards. So 780ti is faster in all cases, the additional VRAM is useless. Unless you are a small fringe who wants the DP and doesn't want the full pro feature set or pro drivers, otherwise this card is pointless. A true fanboy's card for gaming purposes.

At least now we are wise to nvidia's new slow-drip scheme. Ignore the initial small-die 20nm 'flagship', then the overpriced pro/gaming big die card and wait for the next iteration of the big die that will come a few months later. Of course it will all probably cost 50% more with the exponential cost increases of the new node passed on to us and the mid-range discreet GPU market being eroded by Intel's improving IGPs and superior process tech.

So what you are saying is they should have just never released this card with the extra cluster and higher clocks at the exact same price as the model it is replacing, with very little PR hype, because that is a joke/fraud?

Personally I find that the more options on the market, the better. Although this isn't even a new option this is just improving a previous option that was EOL.

Hmmm...

The 780ti SC is faster in the base clock, and the 780ti SC with evga's fancypants ACX cooler is faster in base and same boost than the Titan Blacks.

Indeed. Between the performance and the NA market having no alternative to NV for high-end gaming cards due to R9 being insanely overpriced, NV is moving a ton of those cards.
 
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Beavermatic

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So you are saying is they should have just never released this card with the extra cluster and higher clocks at the exact same price as the model it is replacing, with very little PR hype, because that is a joke/fraud?

Personally I find that the more options on the market, the better. Although this isn't even a new option this is just improving a previous option that was EOL.



Indeed. Between the performance and the NA market having no alternative to NV for high-end gaming cards due to R9 being insanely overpriced, NV is moving a ton of these cards.

This card most certainly does serve a purpose if your looking for compute or 3d/media design on a budget. Seriously, those Quadro cards are hella expensive... so this is a pretty good deal for those who cant afford to shell out $3000+ for one, as long as they can live without the ECC. The only reason a gamer needs them is for beyond 4k gaming... and it won't be one that youre buying... itll be at least two to keep up with those resolutions. That's it, that's the only reason. Or if your're one of those weird people who turn on every mod in skyrim you possibly can to eat up vram, and thus.. at that point, vram won't even save you... you'll be dragging frames through the mud long before you hit max vram from the gpu roast.

Which makes me think.. they really should put these on the Quadro/Tesla line of drivers, not Geforce.
 
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At least now we are wise to nvidia's new slow-drip scheme. Ignore the initial small-die 20nm 'flagship', then the overpriced pro/gaming big die card and wait for the next iteration of the big die that will come a few months later. Of course it will all probably cost 50% more with the exponential cost increases of the new node passed on to us and the mid-range discreet GPU market being eroded by Intel's improving IGPs and superior process tech.

You think it's bad now? Nvidia is going to slow roll the living crap out of Maxwell on 20nm. $499 for a 20nm GM104 video card? Hahaha. Nope. The first top-tier 20nm GM104 card is going to be $599-649.
 

TreVader

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Considering the Titans were $1300 a piece (though I got my second one on a epic deal)... I am a little aggravated they are charging only $1000 for a titan black.

and the Titan black's are $300 more than the 780ti. That's a pretty hefty extra charge for only 3GB of RAM extra (that I never used to begin with on my original titans) and the same performance as my SC'd evga 780ti's.

No sir, I will never do a "Titan" class card again, and that's coming from someone who had them. BECAUSE IT WAS A TREMENDOUS WASTE OF CASH.

I'm sorry but I don't see how $1000 for a GPU with 2x as much vram in a day where 3GB can be maxed out by games that have been out for years like skyrim is a "tremendous waste of cash" but $700 for the SAME gpu is a great deal.


Titan Fall uses 3GB+. Skyrim uses 3GB+. BF4 uses 3GB+


Nvidia just wants to force people to upgrade as fast as possible. It's pretty simple: skimp on vram and you've got guys with SLI 580s who have the shader power to push high detail in all games, but not the vram.
 

OCGuy

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I'm sorry but I don't see how $1000 for a GPU with 2x as much vram in a day where 3GB can be maxed out by games that have been out for years like skyrim is a "tremendous waste of cash" but $700 for the SAME gpu is a great deal.


Titan Fall uses 3GB+. Skyrim uses 3GB+. BF4 uses 3GB+


Nvidia just wants to force people to upgrade as fast as possible. It's pretty simple: skimp on vram and you've got guys with SLI 580s who have the shader power to push high detail in all games, but not the vram.


No matter how many times someone claims that Source engune game uses that much VRAM, it wont make it true.

Derail a different thread...
 

TreVader

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This is a joke card. The original Titan was also a scam card, but at the time it was the only and first gaming GK110 card with no hint of the bait/switch to come with gtx 780. Once gtx 780 came the smart money was dumping Titans for aftermarket 780s.

This black card is a real joke now. We already have full GK110 in 780ti and aftermarket cards. So 780ti is faster in all cases, the additional VRAM is useless. Unless you are a small fringe who wants the DP and doesn't want the full pro feature set or pro drivers, otherwise this card is pointless. A true fanboy's card for gaming purposes.

At least now we are wise to nvidia's new slow-drip scheme. Ignore the initial small-die 20nm 'flagship', then the overpriced pro/gaming big die card and wait for the next iteration of the big die that will come a few months later. Of course it will all probably cost 50% more with the exponential cost increases of the new node passed on to us and the mid-range discreet GPU market being eroded by Intel's improving IGPs and superior process tech.

How is it a joke? If anything, your card looks like a joke. $700 and you can't even run insane detail on Titan Fall. Nice buy there.


Trolling is not permitted here and will never be. It baffles me why you continue.

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TreVader

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No matter how many times someone claims that Source engune game uses that much VRAM, it wont make it true.

Derail a different thread...
So they're lying about the vram because.... they feel like it?



Titan Black is the FULL GK110 spec as it should have been. Just because you bought a cut-down GK110 doesn't mean whatever got cut down (vram in your case) is meaningless.
 

OCGuy

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I'd be happy to point out your lack of understanding of resources in that game in the thread that is meant specifically for it.
 

TreVader

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I'd be happy to point out your lack of understanding of resources in that game in the thread that is meant specifically for it.
Yes but Titan Black does have enough vram to run any setting on any game. The 780ti doesn't. Whether those settings are carefully crafted lies in some grand conspiracy to make the 780ti look like a waste of money or just facts is a matter of opinion (apparently).


The fact is anybody spending that kind of money is buying THE BEST... and the best is titan black. Period.
 

Beavermatic

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Titanfall doesn't use 3GB's of VRAM... not even close. Because there's a technical issue with the game in Beta that only allows you to enable insane textures if you have over 3GB's doesn't mean its using it. Nor does skyrim. Without crazy amounts of 3rd party graphics mods (and none exist) or youre setting some ridiculous amounts of antialiasing ingame (in which you wouldn't need much at 2k and almost none at 4k resolutions), there's no way that Titanfall, using the aged source engine, possibly could... unless your're doing some 'beyond affordable multimonitor Ultra HD configuration' way outside the realm of normalcy. Battlefield 4 doesn't even come close until you start hitting 4k and higher resolutions, which unless youre hoping onto the 4k train right now, is a non-issue. Most are just now getting into 2k, and 4k is a pipedream for their budget for at least a year or two to come, which by then, there will be far better gpu's with far more RAM capable of handling it.

Titan or 780ti, they are gonna start running about the same at 4k... have all the VRAM you want. I mean, if they made a 12GB Titan, it wouldn't make the situation any better. The GPU architecture is still trying to keep up with the game at that resolution no matter how much buffer it has. Your still going to get odious framerates on a single card. You might not see VRAM stutter on a titan, but what does it matter if your framerate is already well below acceptable and playable? The VRAM is way ahead of the performance of the kepler architecture on the Titan. In fact, one could venture to say its a marketing gimmick, much alike the 8gb's of vram on a 880m (which I still LOL hard about).
There's an entire thread about this here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2369254


This is why I went from Titans to 780ti's... Nothing I was throwing at it with 2x or 4x MSAA at 2560x1600 was coming close to 3GB's of VRAM, barely even 2GB's, most 1.5GB's or less. So the 780ti's had more cores and shaders and higher clock, which I could immediately benefit from. Thus, off went my Titans, and in went the 780ti's, with plenty of VRAM overhead, and a nice little performance gain. By the time I ever get around to buying a 4k monitor for these 780ti's to start sweating their VRAM, those cards will be long gone. In fact, likely a whole card generation in between before I even dabble into 4k.

For the record, the 780ti's have the fastest cards out right now. Even EVGA has a 780ti that beats its Titan Black... the 780ti SC ACX cooler model. The standard 780ti SC (non acx cooler) is neck and neck with Titan Black, having a higher base clock, but slightly lower boost clock. The reference (non SC model) 780ti is just a hair under the titan black in base and boost. Same amounts of cores, same amounts of shaders, higher base clock than titan black, and same boost clock. So performance crown is still in 780ti's hands.Identical or greater gaming performance for $300 less... unless you do happen to be doing those insane resolutions where your gonna need such VRAM, and like I said, that VRAM isn't gonna help you much unless you start stacking those titans in SLI, because a single one is gonna run like crap at those resolutions anywho.
 
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lavaheadache

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Gk110 and Gk104 was a first and last for nvidia's new release strategy for me. I will never fall for it again. I'm not saying I won't buy their cards. I just won't buy them the way they want me to. Plus, they totally borked the value of EVGA's step up.
 

DPOverLord

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I am going to give my 2 cents since I have seen for a benchmark review 1vs2vs3vs4 Way SLI Titans... they don't scale well past 2.

However, I am not in the norm, I am doing 1600p surround and in my case I am borderline 3GB of memory in BF4 (high / and some medium) and when everything is at high/maxed I go over 3GB. For me though only utilizing 2 Titans with my setup I take an FPS hit in games like BF4. Hence why I am using high/medium.

My resolution is 8050 x 1600 (bezel corrected), and 7680 x 1600 othersie; so in my case it makes sense. If you are doing surround with 1080p monitors I don't feel it makes sense to have a titan. Its when you go 1440p and above that it makes sense.

Titan Black? I was seriously contemplating selling my 2 SLI Titans since my third is up already, but why sell for $850/$900 to then spend another $200 for what MAX 10% improvement from what these benches show... No I do not think so. But lets see what the reviews say.
 
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3DVagabond

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Excuse my ignorance, but does any car have full DP compute? This has 1/3, but I don't see much more performance coming out of a 1/2, but I don't see how they would fit a 1/1'card onto the mix either at the $10k level, with 1/3 of that going into quad sli costing $3k

No. No card does 1/1. At least as far as I know. 1/3 is full level DP for GK110. I've read that Hawaii is 1/2 when fully enabled. Typical AMD though, they haven't released Firepro Hawaii yet.

Nobody is going to pay $700-800 for an aftermarket 780ti when you get double the vram from a Titan Black for an extra $200 or so.


All the hate from the 780ti crowd must just come from realizing they no longer own the fastest single-gpu card. Don't hate on the price, you 780ti guys got ripped of just as hard. Worse if you look at the $/GB.

I think you are wrong. The 780 (non ti) is the best value nVidia card. Clock for clock they offer ~90% of the performance of the 780 ti or Titan black for "only" $500. It's also going to have plenty of VRAM for ~99% of applications. Titan Black, just like the original Titan is a foolish card for gaming. If someone is actually going to use the DP capability, fine, but honestly is there anyone here that is?

Hmmm...

The 780ti SC is faster in the base clock, and the 780ti SC with evga's fancypants ACX cooler is faster in base and same boost than the Titan Blacks.

Yes, and with the better cooler you don't have to crank the fan to 80% to stop throttling. I want to see hardware.fr do a review of this card as they are the only ones I've seen test cards stock and fully warmed up and with the fan turned up to the point that it stops throttling. With previous GK110's it took 80% fan speed to stabilize the clocks at the same boost as when the cards were cool.
 

Bubbleawsome

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No. No card does 1/1. At least as far as I know. 1/3 is full level DP for GK110. I've read that Hawaii is 1/2 when fully enabled. Typical AMD though, they haven't released Firepro Hawaii yet.

So what do the $12k have over titan black? Another 6GB of ECC ram and some 10bit color?
 

DPOverLord

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The right way to test this card would not be 1080p surround. Thats just a joke..... Someone spending 2-4k on cards is not going to have 3 $150-$400 monitors. They will have surround 1440p, 1600p or a 4k monitor.
 

3DVagabond

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So what do the $12k have over titan black? Another 6GB of ECC ram and some 10bit color?

Also the support. If you have consumer cards and are using them with pro apps and something doesn't work, it crashes or other bugs, you will get no support from the manufacturer. Where if you have a Quadro or Firepro card they will work with you and your app to get things sorted. This type of support is very costly and that's what you are paying for.
 

Subyman

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Gotta squeeze that last bit of juice out of suckers with this card. The "full" GK110 experience, one full year after launch.
 

dguy6789

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Yawn. Yet another card for those with more money than sense just like the original Titan.
 
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