New Orleans City Hall dysfunction leaves specialist 'shocked'

Atreus21

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I know it is bad there but I would bet that a lot of major metro city's are similar.

I really don't think so. My dad, insofar as I understand his position, writes the city's contracts, and he tells me I wouldn't believe the amount of money this city wastes.

I normally wouldn't recount the "daddy told me so" stories, but I think this article is directly relevant to him.
 

Nebor

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New Orleans is a fun city. But it's strange in so many ways. Tons of tourist dollars flow in, but areas outside the French Quarter often look extremely run down, unkempt, etc. Yet they're spending millions on parades every year?

Also, sort of unrelated, but I found it baffling that during the day, and early evening, near the parade routes, warehouse district and southern NOLA, the city's population is 90% black. But after dark, out in the FQ less than 1% of the people out are black. I assume it's because the FQ is mostly populated by tourists, but that seems strange to me. If I lived in NOLA, I'd still go to the FQ at night...
 

Texashiker

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Dec 18, 2010
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Its New Orleans, do we "really" expect any less?

We are talking about the city that was the murder capital of the USA a few years ago, failed its citizens during hurricane katrina, and now this report.

Ok, so how about some real news?
 

Jadow

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I hate it when government tries to obstruct and make life harder instead of helping.

Not talking about NO, but just in general, government sucks.

Example, building a house. They should encourage construction and have a streamlined process, instead, there are tons of pages of documents that need to be filled out, thousands of dollars in BS permit fees, and the ride you to death.
 

ProfJohn

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What is it with big liberal cities and incompetence?

And you wonder why those of us on the right don't want to send government more tax revenue. The people in charge would just find new ways to waste it.
 

Svnla

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Color me shock............NOT!

This is the city that cops (note the plural) being convicted of armed robberies and murders (not as accomplices or look outs but active members). Don't let me start on the population that kept re-electing scums like "Cold Hard Cash" Jefferson, "Fast Eddie" Edwin Edward, and on and on.

Bad cops = http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-08-19-1ANOcops19_CV_N.htm

Corruption and kickback = http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/02/new_orleans_tech_contract_pric.html


School scandal = http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-orleans-charter-schools.html

NOPD long history of corruption = http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/etc/cron.html

You can blame Bush all you want but the deep internal problems are still there. Did you know that the levee boards (again, note the plural) spent the money on restaurants, marina, airports, etc...ie. stuffs that have nothing to do with levee maintainance? Yes, other cities have problems but none of them blame someone else as much as NO.

<<---was offered a job in NO right before Katrina but glad that it did not work out.
 
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wuliheron

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Reminds me of when ultra conservative Florida discovered 1/3 of the Miami police department had felony convictions. They had lost so many cops to the cocaine wars and turnover increased so much they were hiring just about anyone and guess who applied for the job. Why fight the cops if you can become one and work both sides of the street! That far south the corruption just flows into the country like the Gulf waters themselves in anything from a cigar boat to a rowboat.
 

Herr Kutz

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Color me shock............NOT!

This is the city that cops (note the plural) being convicted of armed robberies and murders (not as accomplices or look outs but active members). Don't let me start on the population that kept re-electing scums like "Cold Hard Cash" Jefferson, "Fast Eddie" Edwin Edward, and on and on.

Bad cops = http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-08-19-1ANOcops19_CV_N.htm

Corruption and kickback = http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/02/new_orleans_tech_contract_pric.html


School scandal = http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-orleans-charter-schools.html

NOPD long history of corruption = http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/etc/cron.html

You can blame Bush all you want but the deep internal problems are still there. Did you know that the levee boards (again, note the plural) spent the money on restaurants, marina, airports, etc...ie. stuffs that have nothing to do with levee maintainance? Yes, other cities have problems but none of them blame someone else as much as NO.

<<---was offered a job in NO right before Katrina but glad that it did not work out.

And Ray "Milk Chocolate" Nagin.
 

Darwin333

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New Orleans is a fun city. But it's strange in so many ways. Tons of tourist dollars flow in, but areas outside the French Quarter often look extremely run down, unkempt, etc. Yet they're spending millions on parades every year?

Those parades are the single biggest source of income the city has. Spending millions to make hundreds of millions is a rather good idea to me. For the record, most of the cost is covered by the individual parade crews and not the city. The city does incur some costs but as I said the tax revenue alone is many many times greater.

As far as "run down and unkempt" are you talking pre or post Katrina? IMO they shouldn't have allowed people to rebuild in the east. We simply don't have the population to support it so it is still in shambles with pockets of people trying to hold on.

Most other issues are somewhat related to the flight of the middle class and lower-upper class out of the city due to a whole slew of issues from crime, corruption in politics, corruption in the police department, deplorable schools, much higher taxes than surrounding parishes etc. The vast majority of what is left are the poor and uberwealthy who live behind gates uptown. The rest have moved to Jefferson Parish and the north shore, both of which are thriving.

An anecdotal story: A buddy of mine wanted to build a small strip mall on a piece of property he owned in Orleans Parish. After 18 months of fighting the permit process and city hall in general he purchased another piece of property 6 blocks away in Jefferson Parish. Within 8 weeks of purchasing the property he broke ground on construction. The fees, permits, and taxes are far less to boot. Things appear to be getting better (seen it before so I am withholding judgement) but in NOLA it isn't even about how much money you have, it is all about who you know.

Also, sort of unrelated, but I found it baffling that during the day, and early evening, near the parade routes, warehouse district and southern NOLA, the city's population is 90% black. But after dark, out in the FQ less than 1% of the people out are black. I assume it's because the FQ is mostly populated by tourists, but that seems strange to me. If I lived in NOLA, I'd still go to the FQ at night...

Why would you want to intentionally spend 4X on drinks, another $20 on parking, cover charges, etc...

The FQ is great during the day. The partying at night is strictly a tourist trap, the locals are generally smart enough to find one of the many other locations to have their fun. Next time you are in town you should check out the uptown area instead of downtown one night.

As for the "black" thing, the above goes for all races but the black population in NOLA tends to be poorer so they sure as hell ain't spending $6 on a beer and it isn't 90%. And for the record, the parade routes are, for the most part, not even close to the primarily "black" areas. The majority of NOLA parades roll up St. Charles and onto Canal St, pretty much the most expensive real estate in the city. With that said, there are plenty of black folk at the parades. I would be more than happy to give you some good locations the next time you are in NOLA for carnival.
 

Darwin333

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I really don't think so. My dad, insofar as I understand his position, writes the city's contracts, and he tells me I wouldn't believe the amount of money this city wastes.

I normally wouldn't recount the "daddy told me so" stories, but I think this article is directly relevant to him.

I sure hope you are wrong about your fathers position unless he recently obtained it. A large portion of the cities contracts are corrupt backroom deals that even if he is not responsible for the contracts themselves he should have a moral objection to being involved at all. We don't even bid on City of New Orleans work anymore. Either the specs are written to give a specific contractor the job, the DBA requirements are absurd (and meant to ensure a select few contractors get the work regardless of who wins the bid), it could take you a year or more to get paid after the work is completed, or a combination of the above. The only way we would do work for the City of New Orleans is if they paid in full upfront.
 

davmat787

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New Orleans is a fun city. But it's strange in so many ways. Tons of tourist dollars flow in, but areas outside the French Quarter often look extremely run down, unkempt, etc. Yet they're spending millions on parades every year?

Also, sort of unrelated, but I found it baffling that during the day, and early evening, near the parade routes, warehouse district and southern NOLA, the city's population is 90% black. But after dark, out in the FQ less than 1% of the people out are black. I assume it's because the FQ is mostly populated by tourists, but that seems strange to me. If I lived in NOLA, I'd still go to the FQ at night...

Probably the same reason any local will stay away from the nearby tourist traps. If nothing else, they become a cliche.

If NO could just figure out a way to export fresh oyster po 'boys, I am sure their economy would turn around overnight. :thumbsup:
 

ProfJohn

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Reminds me of when ultra conservative Florida discovered 1/3 of the Miami police department had felony convictions. They had lost so many cops to the cocaine wars and turnover increased so much they were hiring just about anyone and guess who applied for the job. Why fight the cops if you can become one and work both sides of the street! That far south the corruption just flows into the country like the Gulf waters themselves in anything from a cigar boat to a rowboat.
Ultra conservative Florida??

What are you smoking? The state is divided right down the middle.

And Miami? Miami-Dade county voted for Obama over McCain 57 to 41 compared to 51 to 48 for the entire state.

But at least you gave us another example of a liberal city/area that is screwed up.
 

ichy

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I've gotten a little tired of this ridiculous romantic image that we have of New Orleans when in fact that city is as close as you can get to a third-world hell hole in the United States. Their government is corrupt, the inhabitants are criminals, and the cops are no better than the crooks they're supposed to be protecting people from. When PBS did a show about screwed up coroner's offices in the US one of the best examples they had was in Orleans Parish, where the coroner was covering up straight up murders by police officers. Look what happened to crime in places like Houston after they took in large numbers of Hurricane Katrina refugees. New Orleans = Sodom on the Mississippi.
 

werepossum

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Mitch Landrieu is one of those politicians I've always instinctively distrusted merely because of his family name, but sounds like he's honestly trying to fix the city. Good luck to him, he's fighting a huge, corrupt bureaucracy in a city where corruption is a way of life.
 

Jaskalas

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New Orleans is a fun city. But it's strange in so many ways. Tons of tourist dollars flow in, but areas outside the French Quarter often look extremely run down, unkempt, etc. Yet they're spending millions on parades every year?

Also, sort of unrelated, but I found it baffling that during the day, and early evening, near the parade routes, warehouse district and southern NOLA, the city's population is 90% black. But after dark, out in the FQ less than 1% of the people out are black. I assume it's because the FQ is mostly populated by tourists, but that seems strange to me. If I lived in NOLA, I'd still go to the FQ at night...

2 + 2 = ???

I think you explained it already. Don't you need money to spend?

These people out there have got to be some of the poorest in the nation.
 

Darwin333

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Mitch Landrieu is one of those politicians I've always instinctively distrusted merely because of his family name, but sounds like he's honestly trying to fix the city. Good luck to him, he's fighting a huge, corrupt bureaucracy in a city where corruption is a way of life.

That is exactly how I feel about him. I'm not sure if most of his family have ever held real jobs for very long in their lives if at all. I didn't trust him when he was running and he still has a ways to go to earn my trust.

With that said, it sure looks like he is on the right track and I would love nothing more than to eventually apologize for the above. Hell, it looks like the council is even starting to move in the right direction which I would have never thought possible. The new police chief seems to be a standup non-corrupted guy so far who actually makes sense when he speaks and institutes policies (huge OMFG on that one). To top it off, NO just might have an AG that is starting to actually prosecute criminals!
 

Darwin333

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I've gotten a little tired of this ridiculous romantic image that we have of New Orleans when in fact that city is as close as you can get to a third-world hell hole in the United States. Their government is corrupt, the inhabitants are criminals, and the cops are no better than the crooks they're supposed to be protecting people from. When PBS did a show about screwed up coroner's offices in the US one of the best examples they had was in Orleans Parish, where the coroner was covering up straight up murders by police officers. Look what happened to crime in places like Houston after they took in large numbers of Hurricane Katrina refugees. New Orleans = Sodom on the Mississippi.

Bah, Chicago still has NOLA beat.
 

ichy

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Bah, Chicago still has NOLA beat.

Meh, the Chicago PD hasn't tortured people (that we know of) since the 1980s. The New Orleans PD was still murdering people during Katrina. NOLA remains worse IMO.
 

Nebor

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I would be more than happy to give you some good locations the next time you are in NOLA for carnival.

I'll never go during the Mardis Gras season again. I went last labor day and it was awesome. I was really annoyed by the closure of all the roads surrounding the FQ\Canal street area due to parade routes. It took me 2 hours after exiting off i10 to make it to my hotel (Royal Sonesta.) I had to park 7 blocks away, ride on a golf cart and then walk several blocks. I don't find parades entertaining. They were just annoying.

Also the crowds during Mardis Gras were noticeably more violent after midnight on Bourbon St. Glass bottles were being hurled, buckets of beer thrown into the air, fights breaking out, etc.

So I'll go back, because I love the atmosphere on Bourbon St, but I won't go back during Mardis Gras season. For what it's worth, I've spent 8 days in NOLA between the two trips, and the only time I left Bourbon St was to go for morning runs along the river.

I found that randomly running for an hour and a half often times lead me into areas where people are hanging out on their front porches, glaring and shouting things at me, and every footstep falls on broken glass.
 
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