New Pascal Titan X!

[Silverforce11]

It seals the deal for me; I'll either get a used GTX 980 or a 4gb RX480 now and hold off until the refreshes hit or Volta/Navi comes out. The prospect of GP104 with 12ghz G5X sounds interesting.... but the prices would need to be radically adjusted from what they are now. And who knows, maybe Polaris truly was the stop gap and Vega will be the actual leap forward we were hoping AMD would deliver. (probably not, but here's to hoping).

If you can snag a 4GB RX 480 for cheap, it's a winner man, esp if you're still on 1080p. Won't even need to upgrade until you get 4K.

I'm not happy with these prices, next-gen brings more performance down to a lower price bracket for the 2 decades of PC, now next-gen brings more performance at a higher price bracket and it's creeping up. Not cool. If that was the trend, our CPUs would be $5000 a pop cos I paid close to $2000 for a IBM 286 system back in the days.

 

[Silverforce11]

Prices ARE getting out of control. On both sides, believe it or not. RX 480's first custom AIB pricing I've seen is stupid. http://techreport.com/news/30419/powercolor-chills-the-underworld-with-a-triple-fan-devil-rx-480 $270????? WTF. There are $249 AIB GTX 1060 models.

Nitro is same price as reference 480 over in UK. The $249 1060 are junk, the premium models go for more. Here, they are $499 AUD, no joke.

 

[sirmo]

Prices ARE getting out of control. On both sides, believe it or not. RX 480's first custom AIB pricing I've seen is stupid. http://techreport.com/news/30419/powercolor-chills-the-underworld-with-a-triple-fan-devil-rx-480 $270????? WTF. There are $249 AIB GTX 1060 models.

$270 is a great price for a Devil are you kidding me, that's only $30 extra for a superior build to reference? Which GTX1060 $249 are you comparing it too? Those single fan ones?

 

[railven]

Well that's to be seen.. I happen to think that rx480 rx470 and rx460 will sell like hotcakes. And all the mobile polaris chips for laptops..

If NV gets their notebook chips out first, something tells me that will affect AMD - negatively.

I see AMD going from 25% of the marketshare to up to 40% of the market with them.

They had that. But they were in the same state, selling cards 80-90% of NV's performance for 50-60% of the price. This time they don't even have that advantage.

If all they want is marketshare, they can get there by selling $100 Rx 480. It isn't going to help them when they need capital just, if not, more.

Time is AMD's friend right now.. with growing Vulkan/DX12 adoption things are going in their favor. When they are finally ready to release Vega it will come in a good time and there will be a bigger AMD base to upgrade from.

Sure, let the games trickle out. By the time the tsunami hits, NV will have a new uarch ready to take advantage of it. Just AMD doing all the hard labor and NV steps in to reap the benefits. Rinse repeat. Time is most definitely not on their side. But that is the patent pending motto "just wait for <add something>"

But at least their stock is going up

 

[railven]

Nitro is same price as reference 480 over in UK. The $249 1060 are junk, the premium models go for more. Here, they are $499 AUD, no joke.

the GA 1060 looks decent, and benched fine. If that's junk, I don't know what Ref 480's are.

 

[nevdawg]

At least $1700 CAD is the new normal for a high-end tier card. may we rest in peace my Canadian brothers

 

[Silverforce11]

the GA 1060 looks decent, and benched fine. If that's junk, I don't know what Ref 480's are.

I'm talking over here for me, the cheaper 1060 are junk. Like the "close to MSRP" 1070s. You know the ones, lame blower even worse than reference.

The GA ones are $499 AUD, which is actually more expensive than the debut of the $330 970 back in the days. This is supposed to be mainstream... but it just went from $299 AUD price range to $499, from Maxwell 960 -> 1060.

 

[pj-]

How does the nearly mac-level of resale value on titan cards (recent sold auctions on ebay are $800-900 for current titan x) affect the value proposition? They are of course horrifically overpriced, but if they hold their value much better than a 1080 or 1080ti will, does it actually make sense to get one if you can afford the upfront cost?

 

[sirmo]

If NV gets their notebook chips out first, something tells me that will affect AMD - negatively.

AMD has already announced the Apple design wins as well as some additional ones they didn't have before.

They had that. But they were in the same state, selling cards 80-90% of NV's performance for 50-60% of the price. This time they don't even have that advantage.

Are you forgetting that AMD consolidated their fabs to Global Fundries.. Not only will they no longer have to pay penalties for not ordering enough wafers anymore, but they likely get waffers for less than from TSMC.. owners of GloFo own 10% of AMD.

If all they want is marketshare, they can get there by selling $100 Rx 480. It isn't going to help them when they need capital just, if not, more.

They want the marketshare, they said it themselves multiple times.. publically in media as well as on investor calls.. this is the point of their strategy, are you paying attention?

But at least their stock is going up

It's going up for a reason. And that reason isn't making Nvidia enthusiasts happy by providing lower prices via competition.

 

[railven]

I'm talking over here for me, the cheaper 1060 are junk. Like the "close to MSRP" 1070s. You know the ones, lame blower even worse than reference.

The GA ones are $499 AUD, which is actually more expensive than the debut of the $330 970 back in the days. This is supposed to be mainstream... but it just went from $299 AUD price range to $499, from Maxwell 960 -> 1060.

Ah, sorry, family settled in America - nothing else matters (I kid, but you know how it is.)

I can only imagine prices for the other NV cards. Woof.

 

[Det0x]

Well that was sooner then expected

So this is basically 1080 x 1.5 as predicted.

Wonder if this is a cutdown GP100 or the rumored GP102 :hmm:

And that 1200$ price-tag.. ouch

See no mention of AIB versions, so this release could very well be "founders edition" only, NV need to maximize those profits it seems

 

[swilli89]

They are not severely less efficient. That graph doesn't account for more VRAM rx480 sports or the additional compute not used in majority of DX11 titles.

Things are changing. In Doom Vulkan rx480 is just as efficient as a 1060.

Also don't take those numbers as gospel. The 480 Reference will be less efficient that properly volted AIBs, and also TPU uses a very outdated and nvidia-friendly DX11 gaming benchmark suite that will be quickly outdated.

 

[tviceman]

They are not severely less efficient. That graph doesn't account for more VRAM rx480 sports or the additional compute not used in majority of DX11 titles.

Things are changing. In Doom Vulkan rx480 is just as efficient as a 1060.

News flash: the power consumption difference between 6gb and 8gb of vram is ~2 watts. ID has said they're still working with Nvidia to implement Vulkan improvements, so lets slow down the horses there (not that I believe Pascal will gain as much as Polaris), and you named 1 game out of 5,000. People don't shop for a graphics card on the hope it will be better 12 months from now than the better-priced competition today.

P10 is bigger and less efficient than GTX 1060. It can win in a few games, win big in one or two, but loses in most games out right now. There is just no other way around it. Nvidia went from always being behind on new nodes to introducing 3 new chips to AMD's current 1 - on a new node. There strategy got up ended out of the gate.

 

[railven]

AMD has already announced the Apple design wins as well as some additional ones they didn't have before.

They had Apple last cycle. And the other wins really won't make much difference. But, sure, it's in the bag

Are you forgetting that AMD consolidated their fabs to Global Fundries.. Not only will they no longer have to pay penalties for not ordering enough wafers anymore, but they likely get waffers for less than from TSMC.. owners of GloFo own 10% of AMD.

WSA that's been around for years biting them in the ass. Polaris 10 launching with a huge wide variation range, drawing question to GloFlo's ability to produce Zen. Yerp, no problems here just move along.

They want the marketshare, they said it themselves multiple times.. publically in media as well as on investor calls.. this is the point of their strategy, are you paying attention?

Re-read what you quoted of me, are you paying attention?

It's going up for a reason.

Deals with the Chinese, selling off more of the company, and console deals. AMD is going places! Forgot who it was, but they predicted "$5 per share or $40 per share, no in between."

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Prices ARE getting out of control. On both sides, believe it or not. RX 480's first custom AIB pricing I've seen is stupid. http://techreport.com/news/30419/powercolor-chills-the-underworld-with-a-triple-fan-devil-rx-480 $270????? WTF. There are $249 AIB GTX 1060 models.

Devil series is Powercolor's higher-end cards, aren't they? IIRC their mainstream are the PCS+ or whatever.

 

[Silverforce11]

Well that was sooner then expected

So this is basically 1080 x 1.5 as predicted.

Wonder if this is a cutdown GP100 or the rumored GP102 :hmm:

And that 1200$ price-tag.. ouch

See no mention of AIB versions, so this release could very well be "founders edition" only, NV need to maximize those profits it seems

Should be GP102, I do not expect GP100 on GDDR5X as that requires a different memory controller on the chip.

It would not even make sense to release GP100 for gaming due to so much of the die area is for FP64 units which are useless for games.

GP102 could pack full GP100 gaming performance, at around 400 to 450mm2.

If NV is going GP102 now, it means TSMC yields are good, ie, they get enough GP100 for Teslas and GP104 demands are met with wafer volumes/yields.

 

[AdamK47]

I'll take two please.

 

[sirmo]

News flash: the power consumption difference between 6gb and 8gb of vram is ~2 watts. ID has said they're still working with Nvidia to implement Vulkan improvements, so lets slow down the horses there (not that I believe Pascal will gain as much as Polaris), and you named 1 game out of 5,000.

P10 is bigger and less efficient than GTX 1060. It can win in a few games, win big in one or two, but loses in most games out right now. There is just no other way around it. Nvidia went from always being behind on new nodes to introducing 3 new chips to AMD's current 1 - on a new node. There strategy got up ended out of the gate.

If VRAM used ~1 watt per 1Gb we wouldn't have any need for HBM/2.. 8gb of VRAM on rx480 uses 40 watts.

As for the rest of your argument, sorry these are facts.. Polaris has more FP32, command processors, ACEs.. of course it's going to use more power when those aren't utilized fully in legacy APIs.

 

[railven]

Should be GP102, I do not expect GP100 on GDDR5X as that requires a different memory controller on the chip.

It would not even make sense to release GP100 for gaming due to so much of the die area is for FP64 units which are useless for games.

GP102 could pack full GP100 gaming performance, at around 400 to 450mm2.

If NV is going GP102 now, it means TSMC yields are good, ie, they get enough GP100 for Teslas and GP104 demands are met with wafer volumes/yields.

They got 3 cards out with a 4th one coming. Notebook chips expected next month also. And I believe the bottom half (GTX 1050 and lower) in September?

Something tells me the yields are great over at TSMC and NV is either paying out the rear to secure waffers or they aren't as supply constraint as many believed originally.

EDIT:

I'll take two please.

This guy! What you gonna do with those GTX 1080's?

 

[sweetusernames]

People don't shop for a graphics card on the hope it will be better 12 months from now than the better-priced competition today.

Not the GTX 1060/RX 480 market. These are the kind of people that won't be upgrading their GPU in maybe 2-3 years, else they would have just gotten a higher tier card.

AMD is banking hard right now on RX 470 and RX 460. The RX 480 is a good product but it needed to decisively win vs the 1060 to really shake up marketshare.

 

[sirmo]

They had Apple last cycle. And the other wins really won't make much difference. But, sure, it's in the bag

A new design win is a new design win. Apple wouldn't buy it if it was junk.

WSA that's been around for years biting them in the ass. Polaris 10 launching with a huge wide variation range, drawing question to GloFlo's ability to produce Zen. Yerp, no problems here just move along.

What questions about the ability to produce Zen? You mean the hearsay on forums from people who haven't set foot in a fab or seen a Zen sample? Pure conjecture.

Deals with the Chinese, selling off more of the company, and console deals. AMD is going places! Forgot who it was, but they predicted "$5 per share or $40 per share, no in between."

This is pretty ignorant considering, AMD has been in the semi custom business for awhile now. This is no different than the Sony PS or Xbox Deals. Intel has done similar things with Chinese companies and so has IBM for Power CPUs.

 

[railven]

A new design win is a new design win. Apple wouldn't buy it if it was junk.

Who said it was junk? Not I.

What questions about the ability to produce Zen? You mean the hearsay on forums from people who haven't set foot in a fab or seen a Zen sample? Pure conjecture.

But you're just a forum poster using only conjecture too!

This is pretty ignorant considering, AMD has been in the semi custom business for awhile now. This is no different than the Sony PS or Xbox Deals.

Ummmm...this is how AMD has been making its money lately. I mean, their CPUs aren't flying off the shelves, their GPUs are barely making profits, it isn't like AMD hasn't been selling offices, packaging plants, and making deals with companies to stay afloat? You asked how they've raised their stock - basically by doing all that. How is that ignorant?

Zen can change that. Zen isn't out yet. So it's definitely not Zen. Polaris 10 is too fresh to see it's full effect. Oh well. We've gone far off topic. I'll bow out

 

[sirmo]

Not the GTX 1060/RX 480 market. These are the kind of people that won't be upgrading their GPU in maybe 2-3 years, else they would have just gotten a higher tier card.

AMD is banking hard right now on RX 470 and RX 460. The RX 480 is a good product but it needed to decisively win vs the 1060 to really shake up marketshare.

rx480 decisively wins.. the reference is underwhelming but the AIBs are looking solid.. and rx480 is clearly the only choice in this segment for a lot of folks who have bought FreeSync monitors.

 

[IronWing]

Does the $1200 include the ice machine to keep it cool?

 

[sirmo]

But you're just a forum poster using only conjecture too!

Which one of my statements was conjecture? Like the fact that the owners of GloFo own 10% of AMD.. nope, verifiable fact.. is it the fact that Polaris is the first dGPU made at GloFo? which one? Are you trolling?