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A new design win is a new design win. Apple wouldn't buy it if it was junk.

Something tells me Apple is buying AMD chips for more than just their performance. Why did Apple go for Tonga when there were Nvidia alternatives available? I'm not saying AMD negotiated Apple to use 'junk', but the circumstances behind the Apple design wins are probably not applicable to winning other laptop/OEM manufacturers.
 

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http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Announces-GP102-based-TITAN-X-3584-CUDA-cores

Confirmed GP102.

Designed for GDDR5X, 384 bit bus. FP64 stripped.

30-35% above GTX 1080 would actually mean it's 4K capable (60 FPS, High/Ultra) as a single GPU!

I'm going to have to seriously think about this. I'll wait for benches. If I'm dropping $1.2K on that Predator monitor might as well go full Ham and sell my soul to the green devil.

I get the feeling I won't see GTX 1080 Ti equivalent for 6+ months.
 

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$1200, just like many of us predicted that NV will once again raise prices. $799-899 1080Ti was also my other prediction.

3584 Cores is a repeat of the OG Titan where NV released a cut-down flagship (full GP100 is 3840 CCs) and only later followed up with the full Titan Black. Let the milking begin!

Why wouldn't Nvidia do this? There is no competition from AMD. The only reason to release this card is to get more money to pay for the R&D that went into these chips sooner, such that Nvidia recoups the costs and starts making real profit of the chips.

Titan X Pascal going 12GB G5X is now a sure bet that NV is saving HBM2 for GV100 unless there is a $1500-2000 Titan X Black 3840 CC slated for 2017.

NV is a genius at marketing. I am expecting 1080 / 1080 SLI owners to be putting up their cards on eBay and upgrading to this thing. Well played.

Exactly. Nvidia waited just long enough for all those epeen types to have bought their card(s) so that Nvidia could get them to buy this chip a second time. And by also using cards that are not yet the full cores enabled, Nvidia is still leaving room for yet another release, with another 5-8% performance. And to top that off, Nvidia also has room for HBM2 memory implementation card(s) if/when that product is finally in the market (end of the year last I heard).

I've been saying this all along, but Nvidia really has some of the best marketing and product release schedulers/personnel out there. They have contingencies for contingencies with everything they do so that they can keep ahead in terms of performance of AMD. Nvidia jumped the release of their 1080/1070 products because they felt certain that AMD didn't have a competing product in the 480 (and were obviously correct). This gave Nvidia a full month of press coverage all to themselves while we heard crickets from AMD. Nvidia held off on the 1060 as they felt it would be the direct competitor card with AMD, no reason to release this before AMD because it just gives less incentive for people to stretch their budgets and buy the higher end 1070 or 1080 cards until AMD has their card out. Nvidia then could do a quick benchmark on AMD's card vs the 1060 and price the 1060 accordingly to the performance (i.e., if it was faster than the 480 price it a little higher, and if it was slower, price it a little lower, no need to release the card, only to then within weeks make a price adjustment if AMD managed to undercut price while having higher performance). Now the release of this next version of the high end cards, while being closer to the true full implementation of the chip, it has some parts still disabled. This lets them reuse chips that had small imperfections and were discarded as GP100 chips (but were otherwise good), as well as keeping more headroom for another quick released GPU in case AMD's Vega manages to somehow compete (assuming AMD not realizing that Nvidia kept something in reserve, AMD tunes their chip to beat Nvidia's fastest on the market, with Nvidia then releasing yet another card that has another 5-8% more speed immediately after AMD, and/or releasing with significant cost cuts, as Nvidia just spent the last 6 months as the performance king with customers even buying multiple versions of Pascal already, which recouped all the R&D, so that Nvidia might then undercut AMD because the cost of the card is now mostly the cost of the materials and manufacturing costs)... I mean, seriously, look at what is happening, and realize it. This is why I didn't buy a 1070 or 1080. I knew there were going to be at least 1-2 more versions released in the near future...
 

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Something tells me Apple is buying AMD chips for more than just their performance. Why did Apple go for Tonga when there were Nvidia alternatives available? I'm not saying AMD negotiated Apple to use 'junk', but the circumstances behind the Apple design wins are probably not applicable to winning other laptop/OEM manufacturers.
Apple needed Tonga for their 5K iMac.. Apple also relies heavily on AMD's OpenCL implementation which is arguably better than Nvidia's.

Polaris11 efficiency gains compared to 28nm AMD GPUs make them an attractive choice for non Apple OEMs.
 
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AMD is in a tight spot. Hopefully Vega performance is out of this world.

Vega better be ready to deal with Pascal today, and the potential Pascal refresh next year.
 

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AMD is in a tight spot. Hopefully Vega performance is out of this world.

Vega better be ready to deal with Pascal today, and the potential Pascal refresh next year.
Vega even if it's out of this world will still barely move the needle for AMD. Because enthusiasts will still mostly buy Nvidia.

Zen, Polaris, Zen APUs, SemiCustom is where AMD needs to keep focusing. I know it's an unpopular opinion because a lot of people want cheap 1080tis, but chasing Nvidia is not the best thing for AMD's bottom line.
 
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I'm going to have to seriously think about this. I'll wait for benches. If I'm dropping $1.2K on that Predator monitor might as well go full Ham and sell my soul to the green devil.

I get the feeling I won't see GTX 1080 Ti equivalent for 6+ months.

You won't see Ti GP102 until Vega comes I think, it's not as profitable for NV to give it for less.
 

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So by the looks of it the Pascal lineup looks like the following:

GP102 with 30SMs (6GPC, 384bit bus etc)
GP104 with 20SMs (4GPC, 256bit bus etc)
GP106 with 10SMs (2GPC, 192bit bus etc)

Thinking the die size of the GP102 will be around ~450mm2. Regardless of the price looks like this will eat through games at 4K!
 
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Impressive. Most impressive. In the span of about three months NV has outed GP100, GP102, GP104, and GP106. Excellent, excellent execution.
 

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Impressive. Most impressive. In the span of about three months NV has outed GP100, GP102, GP104, and GP106. Excellent, excellent execution.
Everything is simply going as planned for a well organized company. And when a ghost competitor like AMD is nowhere to be seen, the job looks even more impressive.
The sad part for the green team is that Vega is a useless effort. When it will come, it will finally fall into mid range market, destroying their hope of high profit products...
 

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Everything is simply going as planned for a well organized company. And when a ghost competitor like AMD is nowhere to be seen, the job looks even more impressive.
The sad part for the green team is that Vega is a useless effort. When it will come, it will finally fall into mid range market, destroying their hope of high profit products...
Everything is going as planned for AMD as well. Reported profits for the first time today in a long time.
 

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Everything is going as planned for AMD as well. Reported profits for the first time today in a long time.
Well, if you read carefully the numbers, they only posted profit because of the Chinese deal, not because their products sell better...
 

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Well, if you read carefully the numbers, they only posted profit because of the Chinese deal, not because their products sell better...
They actually did note an increase in SemiCustom sales, and Polaris hasn't even been part of the Q2. They also noticed a better sale of 300 GPUs than anticipated due to Polaris "pause" as they called it (when people stop buying current gen in anticipation of new line of products).

Their guidance was also very positive as it will include Polaris, yields are good and they can't keep them on shelves. So yes going as planned..

Also not sure which Chinese deal you're referring to.. but there are 2.. one was a lump sum and the other one was on an ongoing basis.
 
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3584 CUDA cores, eh? No way this is full GP102. Bet that fully enabled dies with 3840 CUDA cores (1.5x GP104, just like GM200 was 1.5x GM204) will arrive later with faster GDDR5X.

That is, if Volta Titan isn't out this time next year, which is totally a possibility.
 

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3584 CUDA cores, eh? No way this is full GP102. Bet that fully enabled dies with 3840 CUDA cores (1.5x GP104, just like GM200 was 1.5x GM204) will arrive later with faster GDDR5X.

That is, if Volta Titan isn't out this time next year, which is totally a possibility.
yes full die is 3840 cores.
And they still have lot of options to counter whatever Vega will bring (late) to the table, which I expect to be not too much...
 

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yes full die is 3840 cores.
And they still have lot of options to counter whatever Vega will bring (late) to the table, which I expect to be not too much...
what other options, care to elaborate?
 
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My go to be would be price cuts. If they can compete on performance, might as well make them sweat on profits.

But judging the NV I've seen for years, Vega has to be an amazing product for that to happen.

Price cuts are a bad solution, a move done out of weakness not out of strength.

You can bet NVIDIA will want to be able to continue to sell products at the prices it does now, or higher, so don't be surprised to see newer better products this time next year. In fact, I would be stunned if we didn't as GPUs need to be refreshed regularly lest a company's product lineup gets stale.
 
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