New Pascal Titan X!

[SPBHM]

they should've called it Titan Z, so they could ask $3K for it.

 

[ZGR]

I don't think this card will be a good overclocker unfortunately. The 250w power limit will really limit it; along with the blower being quite loud during OC. Watercooling will be essentially the only option unless a 3rd party open air cooler
supports it.

I have the feeling the wait for the GTX 1080 ti will be quite long. I am finding it surprisingly easy to justify the level of performance the $1200 Titan X provides. I would feel disgusted with myself for spending that much money on a GPU, especially for the games I play. Very tempting GPU to buy.

4k60 is actually easily achievable on even a GTX 1070. The only game I play that can't do 4k60 at Ultra is R6 Siege. This Titan X will get close to being able to do Ultra settings on R6 Siege.

The GTX 1080 ti may be quite interesting. They can't cut the memory down to 6 GB, so they either ship it with slower memory, or simply don't touch any of that. It could be identical to the Titan X, similar to OG Titan -> GTX 780 (but without half the VRAM).

Can't wait to see a 2.1 GHZ 1080 vs Titan X max OC comparison. Buying a Titan X at launch isn't a terrible idea. I am pretty confident we will see these on Ebay for $2k when demand is at its peak. It is tempting to buy one just for resale, and buy another just for personal use. Maybe I should buy 4 Titan X's and sell 3 of them for $1,800 to pay off the fourth and then some.

 

[RussianSensation]

they should've called it Titan Z, so they could ask $3K for it.

They will get there. It's $1200 this generation and in due time $1500. Then when people buy 2 for SLI, it's the same as the Titan Z just split into 2 parts. NV realized $3K was too much of a shock to the market too soon. If next gen GTX2070 is $499 and GTX2080 Volta is $699/749, they should be able to raise prices a little more again. GV104 2080 for $749 would still be hailed by reviewers/fans as a good deal since it will smash the $1200 Titan X(P). Eventually the cut-down GTX570->980Ti -> Post-Volta X080Ti could reach $999, setting up the perfect scenario for a $1499 Titan. Besides, this is only a cut-down Pascal, which means we may even see Titan X Black with 3840 CCs for $1499 in 2017.

 

[garagisti]

They can't have GDDR5x & HBM2 on the same chip, from what I understand, because you'll need two MC's & at that point it'd be smarter (& cheaper) to just go with HBM2.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-pascal-unleashed/
Yep, as you can see, a refresh is what is supposedly to come with the HBM2. This is why i was thinking/ suggesting that Volta is possibly either delayed, or that Volta is tweaked Pascal.

 

[n0x1ous]

It could be identical to the Titan X, similar to OG Titan -> GTX 780 (but without half the VRAM)

780 had 2304 cores and OG Titan had 2688

 

[ZGR]

780 had 2304 cores and OG Titan had 2688

Yup, my bad! Mixed up Titan Black and 780 ti with OG Titan and 780.

 

[n0x1ous]

Yup, my bad! Mixed up Titan Black and 780 ti with OG Titan and 780.

:thumbsup:

 

[garagisti]

It's just release cycles not lining up for AMD, the same thing has happened a couple times in a row now and looks to again. The big chip comes out first as titan at an absurd price then knocked down to slightly less insane levels as a x80 ti to compete with whatever big chip AMD brings out.

AMD have been able to catch up to the previous two and while they're not in great shape Pascal isn't amazing enough to think they won't be able to get close at least. Some big DX12 titles this year that could potentially help them a lot too.

Well, Polaris is quite small for the new node, a little more than 2/3rd of 1070/1080 die (70%), isn't it? The big Pascal GP102, as it is announced, it could/should easily be about 430mm2+, factoring in wider bus, and increase in shaders etc.

Vega will have to be around 400mm2-450mm2 for it to be in the vicinity performance wise. Even if on the smaller side, that is 400mm2, with HBM2's increased bandwidth, it should be quite tolerable in comparison. Even Polaris responds well to increased bandwidth. Although, i'm starting to think that AMD would be hitting close to 450mm2, in order to get a good product going to pro market. That should bring some honest to goodness double precision compute power I'd be very surprised if Vega is smaller than 400mm2.

Does anyone know what sort of single/ double precision power the GP102/ GP100 is supposed to have?

 

[crisium]

"44 TOPS INT8"

I guess this is what's taking up all the extra transistors?

1080 Ti will surely strip this out.

Now time to wonder if they will just give us the 780 equivalent, further cut cores (3456 or 3328 perhaps). Or both 780 and 780 Ti (3840) equivalent eventually.

 

[garagisti]

Summit will be delivered to Oak Ridge in 2017, it comes online for users in 2018. That means GV100 will be in mass production to support this build in 2017.

Also, NVIDIA will need to refresh its product lineup in 2017 in order to keep customers buying product, so the idea of consumer Volta in 2017 is not only reasonable but actually expected.

FWIW, I expect a 16nm consumer Volta lineup in 2017 then 10nm shrinks in 2018.

Are 10nm products that close to launch? It means this node switch is going to be faster than the last one we saw. yay, more toys for all of us.

 

[raghu78]

Well, Polaris is quite small for the new node, a little more than 2/3rd of 1070/1080 die (70%), isn't it? The big Pascal GP102, as it is announced, it could/should easily be about 430mm2+, factoring in wider bus, and increase in shaders etc.

Vega will have to be around 400mm2-450mm2 for it to be in the vicinity performance wise. Even if on the smaller side, that is 400mm2, with HBM2's increased bandwidth, it should be quite tolerable in comparison. Even Polaris responds well to increased bandwidth. Although, i'm starting to think that AMD would be hitting close to 450mm2, in order to get a good product going to pro market. That should bring some honest to goodness double precision compute power I'd be very surprised if Vega is smaller than 400mm2.

Does anyone know what sort of single/ double precision power the GP102/ GP100 is supposed to have?

Small Vega will be around Tahiti's size at 350-360 sq mm while big Vega will be close to 500 sq mm. My guess is small Vega could launch in early Q1 2017 while big Vega will be a mid-2017 or early Q3 2017 launch. In other words the GP102 won't have any competition for close to a year. Anyway AMD has to execute much better with Vega / Zen and probably a refreshed Polaris in 2017 to compete with Nvidia / Intel.

 

[garagisti]

Pillow talk with the fiancee. She said if I ever bought a $1.2K monitor, or $1.2K GPU, she'd strangle me with a pillow.

HAHA. Challenge accepted!

Probably you should use the diamond analogy for computing upgrade. 3 months salary and what not. Surely she could relate to that. Come on, work on marketing/ selling it right.

 

[garagisti]

... NV cannot be blamed. If tomorrow Starbucks Venti goes up from $2.70 Canadian to $5.40 Canadian and I keep buying, is it Starbucks to blame or me?
...

If i have got logic here in the forums right, it is Caribou coffee that is to be blamed

 

[zinfamous]

Sounds great for $800+ 1080 owners that will now be spending ~$1500 3 months later because they have to.

 

[moonbogg]

This gen is shaping up exactly like Kepler. Its all laid out just the same, except prices are about $200 higher across the board. I expect longevity to be kind of bad as well due to the whole DX12 issue.
If people have the money then they get to have their fun and that's fine, but It seems silly to watch people buy 1080s, then Titan X's, then of course, the full Pascal chip with HBM2 when it gets here as Titan X Black or whatever its called.
After all this craziness, it would be pretty awesome to still get a 1080ti for $650 though, lol. I can see Nvidia conditioning people with these extreme prices, and then just before Vega comes out, WHABAM! 1080ti drops for $650 to pee in their cheerios and it ends up being a wicked clocker to boot. Enjoy 1080ti for a year, Volta mid range drops for $800 and the cycle starts all over.

I'd like to say that Nvidia as a company is doing absolutely incredible. I never expected the great GPU wars to end to be honest. I expected them to go on forever with the world divided, half green, half red as it seemed to be a perfect balance where everybody wins. The war has ended and Nvidia won. I think that's about it folks. Nvidia is at the top of their game, their process more refined than ever. Meanwhile their competition has left the building.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Sounds great for $800+ 1080 owners that will now be spending ~$1500 3 months later because they have to.

My 1080s will probably get me decent resale value. I'll lose some money but they were fun while I had them

Selling my 1080s should yield enough $ to pay for a Titan X.

 

[pj-]

Sounds great for $800+ 1080 owners that will now be spending ~$1500 3 months later because they have to.

Saying a 1080 costs $800+ is like saying an oculus rift costs $1200 because idiots were paying that on ebay two months ago.

My local microcenter has 14 1080s in stock with prices from $650-$730

 

[crisium]

I'd like to say that Nvidia as a company is doing absolutely incredible. I never expected the great GPU wars to end to be honest. I expected them to go on forever with the world divided, half green, half red as it seemed to be a perfect balance where everybody wins. The war has ended and Nvidia won. I think that's about it folks. Nvidia is at the top of their game, their process more refined than ever. Meanwhile their competition has left the building.

While the war isn't over yet, times are bleak for the red army. The Vega offensive gives one last chance for victory, or at least a return to the stalement of trench warfare.

It's basically if after the Radeon 4000 vs GTX 200 series, that AMD released only the 5770 to compete with 550 Ti, 560, 560 Ti, and 570. And that the 5770 used more power than the 550 Ti (where it didn't in reality).

This is how bad it is. There is no genius of AMD targeting the low end. AMD will still compete at certain price brackets, but man is it disappointing to see them so very, very far from the top since it means we get these prices from Nv.

 

[Silverforce11]

While the war isn't over yet, times are bleak for the red army. The Vega offensive gives one last chance for victory, or at least a return to the stalement of trench warfare.

Victory for AMD would be a gain in marketshare and being profitable.

Victory for gamers is a very strong Vega putting competition back and forces NV to release a GP102 Ti GPU not for $899, but less and a price cut on the 1070 and 1080.

 

[guskline]

Haha. She isn't that kind of ritzy girl. I'd have to get her a freaking horse to get this overlooked haha.

Buy her Mr. Ed WHOOOO Wilbur!

 

[AtenRa]

People are easily forgetting, we had the same situation back in 2007, NVIDIA 8800Ultra was a $800 card when ATI HD3870 released at $220.

 

[guskline]

My 1080s will probably get me decent resale value. I'll lose some money but they were fun while I had them

Selling my 1080s should yield enough $ to pay for a Titan X.

Selling them already?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Selling them already?

Yeah...honestly didn't expect GP102 to arrive until the fall, so I had hoped to get more time with the 1080s. Guess not.

Anyway, probably a good thing. SLI doesn't work on a lot of the games I play, so it's better for me to go back to a single card again. Hopefully one of these days I'll learn to never, ever touch SLI again.

 

[guskline]

Victory for AMD would be a gain in marketshare and being profitable.

Victory for gamers is a very strong Vega putting competition back and forces NV to release a GP102 Ti GPU not for $899, but less and a price cut on the 1070 and 1080.

I agree with your premise Silverforce11. Unfortunately, it seems from past performance that AMD will release Vega, but Nvidia will release a slightly faster GTX1080TI at the same or slightly lower price and Nvidai will outsell it by a magnitude of 5 or 6 to 1.

Isn't this the scenario that already played out with FuryX vs GTX980TI?

 

[R0H1T]

I have control over the GPUs I buy. I have no influence over developers.

That's like saying Politicians are corrupt but hey what can I do, how about not voting them to power?