New Pascal Titan X!

[xpea]

what other options, care to elaborate?

of course. based on GP102, easy to do:
- full die (3840 cores)
- faster clocks with AIO cooling
- Faster memory (12Gb/s G5X)
- reduce prices
any combination of the above

and you still have more advanced solutions like:
- GP100 derivated
- even Volta (GV100 is listed in drivers for months now and will be shipped next year to supercomputers)

Fanboyims apart, AMD doesn't have a single chance to take the perf crown in the next 2 years. I don't know how someone with a little bit of common sens can think about it...

 

[sxr7171]

Much sooner than expected wow.

 

[sxr7171]

of course. based on GP102, easy to do:
- full die (3840 cores)
- faster clocks with AIO cooling
- Faster memory (12Gb/s G5X)
- reduce prices
any combination of the above

and you still have more advanced solutions like:
- GP100 derivated
- even Volta (GV100 is listed in drivers for months now and will be shipped next year to supercomputers)

Fanboyims apart, AMD doesn't have a single chance to take the perf crown in the next 2 years. I don't know how someone with a little bit of common sens can think about it...

Come on man. You just can't see it. The power of magic.

 

[R0H1T]

Much sooner than expected wow.

Perhaps they smelled the incoming Vega(s) & want to milk the Titan Xs as much as they can before it launches

 

[xpea]

Don't think Volta will be ready to counter Vega

Summit says hello

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8727/nvidia-ibm-supercomputers

 

[ultima_trev]

Hopefully GP102 overclocks well. As far as I can tell, GTX 1080s generally have no trouble hitting 2 GHz on core, which puts its theoretical performance figures within 10% of Pascal Titan X.

 

[R0H1T]

Fanboyims apart, AMD doesn't have a single chance to take the perf crown in the next 2 years. I don't know how someone with a little bit of common sens can think about it...

The Pro Duo at the time of launch was the fastest GPU out there, albeit a dual GPU solution.

 

[JDG1980]

The strategy fails when AMD's products are severely less efficient and going into notebooks.

Apple in particular doesn't care about DX11 gaming performance, they care about GPGPU. If you look solely at computing power and not DX11 gaming, RX 480 is actually as efficient as GTX 1060.
RX 480: ~5.8 peak TFlops, max 167W (per TPU) - just under 35 GFlops/watt
GTX 1060: ~4.4 peak TFlops, max 125W (per TPU) - just under 35 GFlops/watt

And there's a lot more room for RX 480 to provide better perf/watt in laptops, since we know the desktop chip is run outside the sweet spot and is overvolted. Good binning, and a clock speed of 900-1000 MHz, should enable voltages to be far lower and provide far better perf/watt on mobile/AIO P10.

If you see Polaris as a product designed primarily with Apple and consoles in mind, and the desktop as basically an afterthought, it makes a lot more sense. Vega will be the enthusiast-focused series.

 

[sxr7171]

Hopefully GP102 overclocks well. As far as I can tell, GTX 1080s generally have no trouble hitting 2 GHz on core, which puts its theoretical performance figures within 10% of Pascal Titan X.

It's the same story every time. 1080ti will come out and at stock due to a higher out of the box clock rate it will beat the Titan X but nobody talks about when the Titan X is overclocked similarly it beats the pants off the ti.

I don't think this will hit 2.1 very easily but 2Ghz I think will be doable. I like how they underrate these Titans. I think they do it just to let people feel happy with their ti cards. I can't wait until the guys at overclock.net come out with custom BIOSes.

 

[sxr7171]

Perhaps they smelled the incoming Vega(s) & want to milk the Titan Xs as much as they can before it launches

I'm sure they are quivering in their boots.

 

[sirmo]

Summit says hello

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8727/nvidia-ibm-supercomputers

Finally, Summit is expected to come online in 2017, with trials and qualifications leading up to the machine being opened to users in 2018.

Right so, sounds like it's the end of 2017 like the chart indicates.. and if its anything like Pascal desktop GPUs won't be until mid 2018.

Vega should be at least a year prior.

 

[JDG1980]

Volta.

Not until 2018. Nvidia has been on a consistent 2-year release cadence for new architectures since Fermi, no reason to think that changes now.

 

[sirmo]

of course. based on GP102, easy to do:
- full die (3840 cores)
- faster clocks with AIO cooling
- Faster memory (12Gb/s G5X)
- reduce prices
any combination of the above

and you still have more advanced solutions like:
- GP100 derivated
- even Volta (GV100 is listed in drivers for months now and will be shipped next year to supercomputers)

Fanboyims apart, AMD doesn't have a single chance to take the perf crown in the next 2 years. I don't know how someone with a little bit of common sens can think about it...

Who said anything about taking the single GPU performance crown? I certainly didn't.. not sure why this is directed at me.

I was simply asking about Volta. As I was curious as to whether Nvidia will have HBM2 GPUs.. and by the sounds of it not on desktop until at least 2018.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Fanboyims apart, AMD doesn't have a single chance to take the perf crown in the next 2 years. I don't know how someone with a little bit of common sens can think about it...

Come on man. You just can't see it. The power of magic.

I'm sure they are quivering in their boots.

Never say never Vega is another evolution of GCN with HBM2 could turn out to be a monster.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm sure they are quivering in their boots.

Yup if they get rid of most of the Fiji bottlenecks, combined with higher clocks & HBM2, it'll probably be the perfect 4K gaming (single) GPU out there with a reasonable price tag :biggrin:

 

[poohbear]

The margins for this card are just pure gravy for Nvidia. It's all profit basically.

 

[AnandThenMan]

The funny thing is Vega could end up being $800 and it will look like a bargain. How long until Titan is $2000? But hey if people keep buying them good for Nvidia.

 

[poohbear]

You know, I'd feel a lot better about the Titan if they'd sell it for $999 as a bare card so I didn't feel like I was paying for that premium cooling that I'd throw in the garbage anyway and replace with a block. Then I'd only be in the Titan for ~$1125 and I maybe could reason that in my head.

The ppl Titan is geared towards could care less about a $200-$100 difference. They have cash to burn & simply want to buy the best.

 

[AtenRa]

Nice "little" chip from NV but are people actually believe that customers will buy the GTX 1060 because of the new $1200 TITAN X ? Does customers buy Core i3 6100 because Intel has a 10-Core CPU at $1700 ???

As PC hardware enthusiast, it is nice to see new high-end GPUs like this monster but not the price. Im sure even if AMD had VEGA TODAY, TITAN X would still be released at $1200, 16nm FF is way too expensive today (higher wafer price, lower yields, higher tool cost, higher mask cost etc etc).

 

[xpea]

Right so, sounds like it's the end of 2017 like the chart indicates.. and if its anything like Pascal desktop GPUs won't be until mid 2018.

Vega should be at least a year prior.

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Qualification time is much much longer in HPC market. Look at GP100. Announced in April, still not installed in any super computer when you can buy consumer GP104 since last month.
If Volta will start to ship on Q3 2017 to SUMMIT, then the GPU will be ready much much sooner (at least 2 quarters before). In fact, we should be right now in GV100 tape-out period to match the schedule.

 

[x3sphere]

Honestly, a bit surprised to see them releasing the Titan this early. 1080s are still hard to find and they could have waited another month or two until supply met demand. With this move they are missing out on some people that would have double dipped, I think.

It makes me wonder if the Vega rumor for Oct had some merit, and NV had to move up their timeline. Release the Titan now, and then in a few months release the Ti as a competitor to Vega.

 

[sxr7171]

Yup if they get rid of most of the Fiji bottlenecks, combined with higher clocks & HBM2, it'll probably be the perfect 4K gaming (single) GPU out there with a reasonable price tag :biggrin:

Ok I see where you're going. To get "good enough" performance just like the RX480 hits the sweet spot for 1080p. But the way I look at it even this new Titan X will barely hit the mark for 4k. It will comfortably handle 1440p on any game, but 4k really takes a lot of power.

 

[sirmo]

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Qualification time is much much longer in HPC market. Look at GP100. Announced in April, still not installed in any super computer when you can buy consumer GP104 since last month.
If Volta will start to ship on Q3 2017 to SUMMIT, then the GPU will be ready much much sooner (at least 2 quarters before). In fact, we should be right now in GV100 tape-out period to match the schedule.

Sorry, but I don't think we'll see Volta before Vega or even close.. pretty sure I am not the only one. Are all you Nvidia fanboys this aggressive? I noticed this is a common theme for you guys.

 

[Silverforce11]

Summit says hello

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8727/nvidia-ibm-supercomputers

Finally, Summit is expected to come online in 2017, with trials and qualifications leading up to the machine being opened to users in 2018.

Come on man, the article you are quoting has it being built in 2017 and not finished til 2018.

Volta for consumers in 2017 at Vega's time-frame? Are you nuts?

Look at the last flagships, lots of you guys said Fiji wouldn't be possible at sub 300W, some people thought 4096 SP would be 450W based on Hawaii.. etc. It's just bad prediction.

Fiji wasn't far behind GM200 and that's before DX12/Vulkan took off.

2 years? Don't even need that long. In 3 months, the next wave of DX12 titles are here. In 6 months, most of the AAA games are DX12/Vulkan. How many games are in most review benchmarks? Only a handful. Unless you feel Metro or Crysis 3 is going to remain relevant in 2017, there's every chance Vega will be more than competitive vs GP102.

 

[sxr7171]

Honestly, a bit surprised to see them releasing the Titan this early. 1080s are still hard to find and they could have waited another month or two until supply met demand. With this move they are missing out on some people that would have double dipped, I think.

It makes me wonder if the Vega rumor for Oct had some merit, and NV had to move up their timeline. Release the Titan now, and then in a few months release the Ti as a competitor to Vega.

You have me wondering now. I don't understand it either.

As far as I can tell you're right that it would take the 1080ti to compete with Vega and the current 1080 is inadequate for that purpose. I think they just release the Titans on schedule to extract some gravy from those who can't or won't wait for the Ti.