I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say NVidia priced the Titan at 1080Ti levels. I said they priced the 1080Ti at Titan levels and are calling it a Titan.
With the way FE sales have gone you really think Nvidia needed to price the Titan at 1080Ti levels, even if AMD had a superior (like big Vega) product? Nvidia basically created this market segment, the excuse they gave with the original Titan was that it had excellent compute (DP) & so was priced accordingly, as a cheaper alternative to Quadro, for professionals. Thereon they've not only gimped DP & yet the Titan flies off the shelves as some halo product, though now it's aimed towards gamers. AMD has nothing to with it because anyone who has top $ & wants Nvidia will get the Titan regardless of the competition.
More like ~80% gross, they already have ~60% operating margins IIRC so this comes in the high(er) end of the spectrum along with HPC cards, Tegra & the likes are towards the bottom.I am betting the profit margin on these cards will be near 50% if not higher.
I wonder if nvidia would make a dual version of this card?
More like ~80% gross, they already have ~60% operating margins IIRC so this comes in the high(er) end of the spectrum along with HPC cards, Tegra & the likes are towards the bottom.
To all the people crying about the price here, please just go and buy an used console, thats the best perf/$ since alot of you guys are after that.
Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, if you find the price to high deal with it end of the story...the rest is just non sense.
Ps: i cant afford the titan, not even the rx480 at $199 for that matter, my economic condition it is that bad right now...but im not here complaining about it.
Let's try that again, gross margins ~60% - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10319...fy-2017-results-strong-growth-in-all-segmentsNVIDIA's operating margins are nowhere close to 60%.
Gross margin != operating margin.
To all the people crying about the price here, please just go and buy an used console, thats the best perf/$ since alot of you guys are after that.
Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, if you find the price to high deal with it end of the story...the rest is just non sense.
Ps: i cant afford the titan, not even the rx480 at $199 for that matter, my economic condition it is that bad right now...but im not here complaining about it.
That's not what I said either, they made a whole new pro/gaming card segment with the Titan. It was initially marketed towards developers & professionals who could use the raw (DP) compute power, however even that was gimped subsequently. Now what we have is the Titan that's purely a halo product which can & often does get beaten by the cut down Ti variant. Nvidia still manages to sell the Titan, even if AMD had something faster than the Titan it'd still sell probably more than the best AMD has to offer, the FE proves that.I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say NVidia priced the Titan at 1080Ti levels. I said they priced the 1080Ti at Titan levels and are calling it a Titan.
Also OPM is not close to 60% as you rightly pointed out, however I still stand by my assumption that the gaming oriented Titan is selling at or close to 80% gross margin.
Aside from a fully unlocked 3840 shader version, this is the best Pascal gaming GPU. GP100 is filled with double precision shaders that are just a waste.
I do expect in about a year we will see Volta with HBM2 tailored for gaming.
People said the OG Titan wouldn't happen either. They said it was for compute applications and was for professionals, but that GPU came as a Geforce Card.
The least that happens is another Pascal GPU comes out with more shaders to top this current new Titan X.
There was no "big Kepler" waiting in the wings to come out, though. GK110 was all they had.
Could happen since GP102 has 3840 shaders on board.
NV pricing has been very independent of AMD's performance since Kepler cards. It wouldn't change even if AMD outperforms Nvidia in a bracket. Nvidia will charge more, as there are enough people willing to pay more.While the war isn't over yet, times are bleak for the red army. The Vega offensive gives one last chance for victory, or at least a return to the stalement of trench warfare.
It's basically if after the Radeon 4000 vs GTX 200 series, that AMD released only the 5770 to compete with 550 Ti, 560, 560 Ti, and 570. And that the 5770 used more power than the 550 Ti (where it didn't in reality).
This is how bad it is. There is no genius of AMD targeting the low end. AMD will still compete at certain price brackets, but man is it disappointing to see them so very, very far from the top since it means we get these prices from Nv.
GK110 was big Kepler.
I'm not flaming or trolling, but I do want to ask you a question. At what price would you decide not to buy a new Nvidia GPU? I see you mentioned that you were buying only 1 Titan X instead of two. If the Titan X was $1,500.00 would you buy it? If yes, then what about $2,000? $3,000? I made a poll and asked people this and I got flamed by some for making a "stupid poll". It was a perfect ass poll for this exact reason. I want to know what Nvidia's customers will let them get away with. So whats your cutoff point?
NV pricing has been very independent of AMD's performance since Kepler cards. It wouldn't change even if AMD outperforms Nvidia in a bracket. Nvidia will charge more, as there are enough people willing to pay more.
Not what Nvidia's saying. A refresh is to hit consumer scene with HBM2 after this round of madness.The full chip with HBM2 you're referring to is GP100, an HPC-oriented product. It's not going to come to gamers.
I expect HBM2 to come to NVIDIA's consumer line with Volta.
That's why we have the 1200$ Titan X, they sort of a learnt a lesson or two with the Titan Z. They'd rather sell 1000 Titan X's than a 100 Titan Z's granted the latter was a dual GPU but Nvidia have been careful so as not to antagonize the Titan buyers with ridiculous pricing, especially after the Z was universally panned & ridiculed seeing how it stood up against the 295x2 at the time.They are willing to pay more and I am included in that category. I bought two 980ti's. That's a nice little price tag there to play games. What I am VERY curious about is what are people's limits? You could say it all depends on income, but I don't think it entirely does. At some point, people do have their own common sense that tells them when something isn't worth the price, even if they can afford it. If I went into Best Buy to purchase a game controller and my favorite brand was charging $300 for a gamepad, I'd laugh and walk away! Even if that was the only one of its kind and I wanted it. I'd still shake my head and walk out of there. Could I have bought it? Yeah sure. But that's a ridiculous price for the nature of the product I'm being asked to pay for.
Cut down chip ? $1200 for a cut down chip makes me wary to buy one. How long until the 1080ti with the full chip, less memory and better performance ? Cut down chip is a sorry state of affairs if true. I'd like to see 30% faster than 1080 and the ability to overclock to 1.85 ghz with voltage mods. 980ti SLI performance in a single chip is what I'd like after overclocking.