New Pascal Titan X!

[railven]

Even Battlefield 1, which I expected to be really demanding, turned out to be more of DICE's awesome stuff. The alpha performing almost as well as BF4, while being the best looking PC game to date. I think outside of 4K or VR, there is no need for two of these upcoming Titan X. Even a 144hz 1440p monitor will be covered by just one of these cards.

Something tells me Nvidia knows this, thus why they are trying to get more per card while they can. Even my 980 Ti with OC covers about 95% of my games. Why I haven't just bought a GTX 1080 FE and slapped my Hybrid cooler on it (since I know it works).

The consoles launched behind the curve. They weren't going to push us forward. Neo/Scorpio will change that, but I personally think it will just bring the consoles to where PCs were when the original PS4/Xbone launched. So we're already stagnating again. DX12 has a lot of teething issues and I'm with Futuremark - time it's sorted out and used abundantly, it will be mid/late 2017 if not 2018 and Pascal/Polaris/Vega will be relics.

 

[dangerman1337]

For a cut down GPU at 12GB this feels a ripoff, if it was full-fat GP102 at 24GB this would be more worth the price but at 1200USD and likely same number here in the UK (due to Brexit, thanks Cameron for your stupid internal party politics )? Hah no, probably will be matched by Big Vega at 700 USD, probably outperformed in some cases in DX12 & higher resolutions.

 

[moonbogg]

For me there is a common sense level, and a fair bit of self indulgence in a hobby as well, but it's becoming more informed by nvidia's pathological manipulation of the flagship market. With the exchange rate what it is, two Titan X cost me $2800 CDN. I'd say that is my absolute limit, after that it gets really stupid and those were a terrible, terrible buy with how soon 980ti came out. I was fortunate enough to dump them off and pay for a pair 980ti and pocket some cash as well.

This card will cost $1700 CDN after taxes. If it is not a full chip, I'll have to rethink getting one. It's getting easier to hold off on GPU upgrades because the GPUs are really overtaking the demands of games. There were two games I could not get 120fps @1440p on maxed settings in with 980ti SLI. These cards have gotten so fast that multiples only are needed at 4K.

Even Battlefield 1, which I expected to be really demanding, turned out to be more of DICE's awesome stuff. The alpha performing almost as well as BF4, while being the best looking PC game to date. I think outside of 4K or VR, there is no need for two of these upcoming Titan X. Even a 144hz 1440p monitor will be covered by just one of these cards.

The price is ridiculous. You are one of the highest end buyers I have seen around here, and even you are being priced out of the high end SLI solution. You are rationalizing why its a bad idea to buy these. You are right to think twice. I'm not criticizing you. I am pointing out the insanity of this price. Its like they are trying to price out EVERYONE. Its kind of funny actually.
Regarding BF1 running well, I've heard the game exceeds 6GB at 1440p, but only on Nvidia cards. Funny isn't it? I've found that whenever I seem to have enough GPU power at the end of a GPU cycle, I end up lacking in Vram. Just a year ago everyone was certain that 6GB was "plenty" for everything, even 4K. Now people don't even consider the 980ti a worthy 4K card anymore because games like BF1 need 8GB for 4K and more than 6GB for 1440. Its OK though. We can just lower a few settings to drop the Vram requirements and we will then avoid those hitches and skips.

I declare myself to no longer be an SLI user. I have decided its no longer for me. I'll buy a single GPU next time.

 

[crisium]

I dont think they can go less memory on the Ti this time. It would have to have more than 1080's 8gb and its power of 2 so I would expect a 1080ti to have the same 12GB with another SM disabled.

How much have things changed since Fermi? 3328 Cores, 80 ROPs, 320-bit GDDR5X 10GB, is that possible? That's about the same ratio 470 was cut down from 480. That's what I'd do, call it the 1080 Ti.

Then release something 3840 Cores 24GB if needed and call it whatever Titan X Ti, or whatever.

 

[garagisti]

I dont think they can go less memory on the Ti this time. It would have to have more than 1080's 8gb and its power of 2 so I would expect a 1080ti to have the same 12GB with another SM disabled.

12gb sounds right for the bus width. 980ti had 6gb & titan x did have 12, so 12gb may yet be it for 1080ti.Or how about having two options, one with 6g & another with 12gb, charge a $100 more, and you could get some more customers thinking 1080ti, probably based on cut chip, is a good value.

The performance difference between this and the full chip would easily be around 15%, if not more, as the refresh is supposed to come with HBM2. It is the full chip that is supposed to be refresh for titan pascal, and that would probably have another big chip ti edition before Volta hits market. Oh well...

 

[RussianSensation]

Available 8/2 only from Nvidia.com
http://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-drops-pascal-bomb-with-gp102-based-titan-x

I have some feedback to send to your employer:

1) Since I already buy each and every high-end GPU NV makes, just take the hassle of reselling old cards out of my life and I'll love you JHH!

http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

I want something similar to this^ so I don't have to resell my GPUs. It's much easier and makes my life better.

If not, since I make too much $ to resell my old Titans on eBay or Craigslist and I care about the environment for future generations, I have been collecting my Titans in my garage since the first one came out. A recycling program is also appreciated!

2) Please give us the option of paying $50-100 USD for professional custom paint jobs for high-end Titan NV cards. No matter how much I tried, I couldn't match my Lamborghini's colour.

3) I want the option of tiered drivers. I know, I know I'll still get the latest Titan X as soon as it comes out but it would be nice to know that my girlfriend/little bro can still enjoy driver optimizations. If you offer to keep the Titan X driver support beyond 2 years for $50-100 Driver Maintenance Fee, I'd much appreciate that option! Also, please bring back 3-way and 4-way SLI!

4) I feel so good funding your R&D, that I would be willing to pay extra for an Early Adopter program where the loyal buyers of the last 2 generations of Titan X cards (purchased directly from NVIDIA.com), could be guaranteed early queue pre-orders and early delivery 3 months prior to the launch to the general public. What fee you choose to charge for this perk to your loyal customers is at your discretion but we'll love you anyway!

Kk, gg. Much Love, xo xo ^_^


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Markfw900

 

[n0x1ous]

We are really in unprecedented waters here with whole new class of chip. GP102. We've never had a 102 class chip from Nvidia before so maybe out with the rulebook? They have so many options on how to play this no matter what RTG does......

 

[garagisti]

They are willing to pay more and I am included in that category. I bought two 980ti's. That's a nice little price tag there to play games. What I am VERY curious about is what are people's limits? You could say it all depends on income, but I don't think it entirely does. At some point, people do have their own common sense that tells them when something isn't worth the price, even if they can afford it. If I went into Best Buy to purchase a game controller and my favorite brand was charging $300 for a gamepad, I'd laugh and walk away! Even if that was the only one of its kind and I wanted it. I'd still shake my head and walk out of there. Could I have bought it? Yeah sure. But that's a ridiculous price for the nature of the product I'm being asked to pay for.

Individual voices don't matter, what matters is overall demand. At certain point prices will keep going up, till demand starts going down. Basic economics really. Demand for Nvidia graphic cards, even when competition was there was high enough, so Nvidia wouldn't need to drop prices. Infact, it seems that Nvidia's customers are indeed willing to buy Nvidia cards even at a higher price. For example, consider what is mentioned below:
When 390x/ Fury cards came along, 980 didn't exactly adjust much in price, and 970 was still stable at the price that it was.

 

[iiiankiii]

LOL. You guys want it? Well, there you go. Keep on supporting Nvidia. I'm sure they'll reward you by raising the price of the next CUT-DOWN Titan X for just $1499. Thanks a lot, Nvidia!

 

[mohit9206]

I just never thought I'd see the day that the general formula of $500 highend/$250 mid range would become $1200/$700...and still climbing for certain.
Well hey, you know how pilots train with stalls, right? Keep pulling up until you force the aircraft to stall. That's the only way to learn the limits of that aircraft. Nvidia is doing that right now since the 600 series. They are literally searching for the stall point.

I don't know about your definition of mid range but $250 GTX 1060 is mid range card according to me as x60 cards have always been mid range and $250 price is also indicative of that.
Many consider RX480 to be entry level which i find incorrect as I'd consider anything costing $200-250 mid range.
Nvidia has really skewed the definition of mid range/ hi end with their price increases over the years.

 

[SexyK]

Nice to see this coming so soon, but as a day-one purchaser of OG Titan and Titan X, I'm passing this time around. Current Titan X under custom water is plenty fast for anything I throw at it at 3440x1440, and I'm waiting for shipment of my Step Up 1080 to replace the 980Ti in my VR machine, so I'll be set there until 4k or 8k VR hits. Considering the increase in cost and lack of any real differentiators, no reason to spend the cash at this point.

If an even larger chip with HBM2 comes down the pike next year, then maybe I'll reconsider. Would have to imagine we'll be up to $1,499 by that point though.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I see that quite a few members are very vocal about prices being too high etc but keep forgetting that prices in general for everything has increased several folds over the decade.

If everything was constant.. the complaining about IHVs not sticking to this 00s old GPU pricig scheme would make sense. But that isnt the case. R&D costs have gone up tremendously (GPUs are getting more complex to design), manufacturing costs, inflation etc.

Maybe im wrong and instead be angry for being ripped off by my local supermarket because they have doubled the cost for the usual things i buy over the years..

 

[zinfamous]

I don't know about your definition of mid range but $250 GTX 1060 is mid range card according to me as x60 cards have always been mid range and $250 price is also indicative of that.
Many consider RX480 to be entry level which i find incorrect as I'd consider anything costing $200-250 mid range.
Nvidia has really skewed the definition of mid range/ hi end with their price increases over the years.

From what I have been reading around here, it seems that mid-range (in most people's mind) has already moved into the $300-450 range.

The R9 3xxs and 970s and whatever cards at that time. It seems Enthusiast (used to be $350+) is now about $500 but more often 6 and 700?

I don't get it either because I'm with you--midrange was always $200-300 MAX in my mind and that's still pretty much how I see it. 480 and 1060 strike me as solid midrange cards (with that low-enthusiast performance from previous generation).

I can't fathom calling midrange-priced cards at previous low-high end performance cards "low end" that just makes no sense to me.

When I first saw the price on 480 I thought it was meant to be a "low high-end card" at low-end prices

 

[jpiniero]

I dont think they can go less memory on the Ti this time. It would have to have more than 1080's 8gb and its power of 2 so I would expect a 1080ti to have the same 12GB with another SM disabled.

Couldn't they just cut the bus width to 320? Then have 10 GB of memory? Same thing they did with Fermi.

 

[DooKey]

I have some feedback to send to your employer:

1) Since I already buy each and every high-end GPU NV makes, just take the hassle of reselling old cards out of my life and I'll love you JHH!

http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

I want something similar to this^ so I don't have to resell my GPUs. It's much easier and makes my life better.

If not, since I make too much $ to resell my old Titans on eBay or Craigslist and I care about the environment for future generations, I have been collecting my Titans in my garage since the first one came out. A recycling program is also appreciated!

2) Please give us the option of paying $50-100 USD for professional custom paint jobs for high-end Titan NV cards. No matter how much I tried, I couldn't match my Lamborghini's colour.

3) I want the option of tiered drivers. I know, I know I'll still get the latest Titan X as soon as it comes out but it would be nice to know that my girlfriend/little bro can still enjoy driver optimizations. If you offer to keep the Titan X driver support beyond 2 years for $50-100 Driver Maintenance Fee, I'd much appreciate that option! Also, please bring back 3-way and 4-way SLI!

4) I feel so good funding your R&D, that I would be willing to pay extra for an Early Adopter program where the loyal buyers of the last 2 generations of Titan X cards (purchased directly from NVIDIA.com), could be guaranteed early queue pre-orders and early delivery 3 months prior to the launch to the general public. What fee you choose to charge for this perk to your loyal customers is at your discretion but we'll love you anyway!

Kk, gg. Much Love, xo xo ^_^


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Markfw900

Complete garbage post. Appreciate the work you mods do cleaning up this kind of crap.

 

[n0x1ous]

Couldn't they just cut the bus width to 320? Then have 10 GB of memory? Same thing they did with Fermi.

Yeah thats a good point. I think that would be a strong possibility

 

[railven]

Woah, woah woah why are people thinking of methods to cut the bus, total VRAM?

Let them give us 12GB :biggrin: I won't complain!

I would load every mod I can in Fallout 4. My CPU would bottleneck!

 

[Silverforce11]

I see that quite a few members are very vocal about prices being too high etc but keep forgetting that prices in general for everything has increased several folds over the decade.

If everything was constant.. the complaining about IHVs not sticking to this 00s old GPU pricig scheme would make sense. But that isnt the case. R&D costs have gone up tremendously (GPUs are getting more complex to design), manufacturing costs, inflation etc.

Maybe im wrong and instead be angry for being ripped off by my local supermarket because they have doubled the cost for the usual things i buy over the years..

PC prices have fallen sharply. I paid $2000 for an IBM 286 CPU in the 90s.

SSD, RAM, HDD, etc. All fallen compared to 10 years ago.

The only component that has steadily gone up is the GPU.

 

[railven]

PC prices have fallen sharply. I paid $2000 for an IBM 286 CPU in the 90s.

SSD, RAM, HDD, etc. All fallen compared to 10 years ago.

The only component that has steadily gone up is the GPU.

Halo parts still cost a leg and an arm. I mean, $1.7K Intel processor?
$550 Motherboard?
$600+ RAM Kits
$2,000+ for TB SSDs.
+$2,000+ monitors

GPU prices are relatively the same within certain performance brackets. When you start looking at halo parts, which represent very little of the grand picture, do only things get whack.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Yes. The 1070 is priced very reasonably at a downright cheap $450. Surprising that the $409 ones are never in stock, even on the nowinstock ticker. Wonder why? Enjoying the $700 1080s too! Can't wait to sell both of mine off (for $800 so as not to cut into NV's shipments, of course) and put myself down for two $1200 1080 Tis Titan Xs. Can't wait for the opportunity to justifiably give NV money again in a couple of weeks, or at the chance to see some big 3Dmark numbers!


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You didn't see me infract RS for an almost identical post above ?
Markfw900

 

[Bacon1]

Halo parts still cost a leg and an arm. I mean, $1.7K Intel processor?
$550 Motherboard?
$600+ RAM Kits
$2,000+ for TB SSDs.
+$2,000+ monitors

GPU prices are relatively the same within certain performance brackets. When you start looking at halo parts, which represent very little of the grand picture, do only things get whack.

Sure, but his point was the mid range GPUs are going up not only the top end.

 

[jhu]

So just get a bit less than 100,000 of these things together and we can finally have an EFLOPs computer.

 

[JDG1980]

I'm rather surprised that Nvidia is bringing the new Titan out this soon. I'd expected early 2017, or at a minimum, waiting until maybe November or so. August 2 is very aggressive. This makes me wonder if there might be truth to the rumors about RX 490 coming in October, and Nvidia wanted to make sure they didn't lose the performance crown even temporarily. Or maybe they had a preset sale count of GTX 1080 that, when hit, would trigger the Titan X release, and they hit it sooner than expected.

We're told that the new Titan X chip (presumably GP102) has 12 billion transistors. GP100 is 610mm^2 with 15.3 billion transistors (25 million transistors/mm^2) and GP104 is 314mm^2 with 7.2 billion transistors (23 million transistors/mm^2). If we assume that GP102 falls in the middle of this density range, then that would mean it's about 500mm^2.

AMD is going to have a hard time at the high end, even when Vega comes out. It's now apparent that their transition to HBM was premature and that GDDR5X is really a better choice for most consumer GPU applications at this time. Things would be much more competitive if small Vega had just been big Polaris, with 384-bit GDDR5X (or 512-bit GDDR5) bus and 4096 shaders on a Hawaii-sized die, and been released as RX 490 alongside the RX 480 we got. As it is, small Vega is going to be competing on performance with 1080/1070 but be much slower to market (and much more expensive to produce) because of the HBM2.

If AMD wants to beat Nvidia to the performance crown, their only chance is to go all-out with a 600mm^2 monster for Big Vega. That extra 100mm^2 might be enough to overcome the per-area performance deficit with Pascal. Nvidia will probably hold back 1080 Ti until Vega is ready, and if necessary to hold the crown, it could even be an uncut chip like GTX 780 Ti was. From a competition standpoint, this is getting very worrisome. I don't want to see $1723 consumer GPUs like we do with Intel CPUs, and that's what a monopoly gets you.

 

[2is]

I see that quite a few members are very vocal about prices being too high etc but keep forgetting that prices in general for everything has increased several folds over the decade.

Like what?

 

[jpiniero]

Well, both Vega dies almost have to have native 1/2 DP because the smaller one presumably would be used as part of Greenland HPC APU. Which is going to take up a ton of space... both probably only support HBM2 too.