New Pascal Titan X!

[sirmo]

What? How about AMD not shooting themselves in the foot and launching cards that got favorable reviews. When 390/390X/ launched Vulkan and DX12 was a list of games "wait for them" that circulated. There was relatively zero DX12 games at that launch point.

Even the famous "Battlefront will change things" turned into a "wait for the DX12 patch." I can go on only because that list was regurgitated to me so much watching it get tattered was amusing.

AMD put out a product that had favorable reviews and wasn't being consumed by bitminers and best not being cannibalized by 2nd hand sales. Result - marketshare gains.

We're almost at mid-2016, can we give it a rest with the "DX12/Vulkan will change everything" until it actually happens. 10-12 games is not going to change anything. No matter how much the select few here want to believe.

DX12 and Vulkan are here, can we stop pretending like it's some pipedream that no one has ever heard of?

Biggest games recently released sport it, BF1, Deus Ex, WatchDogs 2 are upcoming big games of the year and all 3 are slated to support it. DX12 is a foregone conclusion.

 

[Silverforce11]

We're almost at mid-2016, can we give it a rest with the "DX12/Vulkan will change everything" until it actually happens. 10-12 games is not going to change anything. No matter how much the select few here want to believe.

Lol really? How many games do benchmark sites even test, you don't think 12 games won't make a difference? In a few months you'll see.

I mean sites like [H] are worse, they only test 4-5 games and look at their 1060 review, it lost out to the RX 480 just because [H] included some DX12 & Doom Vulkan. -_-

ONE game makes a difference. Computerbase.de used Doom w/ Vulkan, their 480 results are 3% within 1060.

Anno makes a difference too, remove that, the charts will be tied.

Review sites do not use hundreds of games. They only do a handful and if AMD performs well in BF1, Deus Ex, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of Wars 4 etc, it's going to skew the performance summary in a big way.

Pretty sure NV knows this as well, hence GameWorks sponsorship.

Let me ask you, how many AAA titles do you even play each year that you buy expensive GPUs for? A handful.

The rest on the PC gaming scene, are indies, just take a look on Steam top selling list recently. Stardew Valley, Rimworld... 2d pixel art games that don't even use GPU acceleration. lol

 

[railven]

Lol really? How many games do benchmark sites even test, you don't think 12 games won't make a difference? In a few months you'll see.

Been waiting since 2015. But yes, I will wait and see. And if it doesn't happen because "them sites are shills/bought paid for/not worth it" I will assume I will just have to wait some more. Right?

I mean sites like [H] are worse, they only test 4-5 games and look at their 1060 review, it lost out to the RX 480 just because [H] included some DX12 & Doom Vulkan. -_-

Poor [H], prior to 480's launch Brent got thrown under the bus. Same as id.

Good to see [H] is now acceptable, well until his next lash out against AMD I guess.

ONE game makes a difference. Computerbase.de used Doom w/ Vulkan, their 480 results are 3% within 1060.

Anno makes a difference too, remove that, the charts will be tied.

So take out both?

Review sites do not use hundreds of games. They only do a handful and if AMD performs well in BF1, Deus Ex, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of Wars 4 etc, it's going to skew the performance summary in a big way.

Here we go again. Last time this happened:
Gears of War, Tomb Raider, Mirror's Edge, and Battlefront were all confirmed DX12 titles, "just wait and see, AMD will be on top."

I'm still waiting.

Pretty sure NV knows this as well, hence GameWorks sponsorship.

Why I don't get why anyone will count any game before it even launches.

Let me ask you, how many AAA titles do you even play each year that you buy expensive GPUs for? A handful.

Me? Not many. I've said it multiple times why I switched to NV. I play more obscure niche games that most people here probably don't know of or don't care for. Because they aren't busting review sites doors down. I think this year I only played DOOM (long time DOOM fanboy) and Dark Souls 3 (almost missed Dark Souls 3 but one day got bored and loved part 1 marathon played the trilogy).

The rest on the PC gaming scene, are indies, just take a look on Steam top selling list recently. Stardew Valley, Rimworld... 2d pixel art games that don't even use GPU acceleration. lol

Ummm...yeah. Well aware of this. Been arguing this for months here. The majority of games aren't AAA-titles. Yet everyone here thinks DX12/Vulkan is going to get adopted by everyone and their mother.

If all you want is reviews to change, that won't affect forum talk. Just hit up any of those games, do a search for with 'Radeon' or 'AMD' and just sit back and enjoy the roller coaster. Note: this doesn't mean NV/Intel is problem free, But you'd figure the brands with the majority market share would have the lion shares of issues being discussed/trouble shoot. Nope.

 

[sirmo]

Ummm...yeah. Well aware of this. Been arguing this for months here. The majority of games aren't AAA-titles. Yet everyone here thinks DX12/Vulkan is going to get adopted by everyone and their mother.

When it comes to dGPUs AAA titles is what matters.. people don't buy video cards for indy games.

I think you're naive if you think Microsoft who invested heavily in DX12 isn't going to push it or companies like Valve who ported Dota 2 to Vulkan aren't going to push Vulkan.

Microsoft has vested interest in DX12, they have already announced Xbox Live "buy a console game play it on PC" program, in order to leverage Windows monopoly to grow their console market-share. They are forcing planned obsolescence on Win7 and Win8 and the way they are doing it is with DX12.

DX11 and OpenGL are old technologies, and AMD or Nvidia can't do anything about it.

 

[garagisti]

Time on their side?...Are you serious?...1 card released which is hard to get and with great competition from NV?...
NV have all the headlines and product range already...Are you not over the waiting game everytime AMD release a card for the performance or the new API or the better drivers to come etc, etc?

Jeebus, where to start.

AMD will be out with HBM2 equipped card before Nvidia will have theirs out. I'd wager that you would recommend people to wait for Nvidia's latest & greatest, before people make a purchase, wouldn't you? So why get so bent out of shape about him? Everyone was asking people to wait for 1060 so chill.

Sapphire, a single AIB, was delayed in making custom cards because, as per Gibbo who's on rather good terms with them, they had a backlog of 5k cards awaiting, and that for UK market alone. I don't know what that number may have been for global sales. Given the nitro cards are already trickling in, you can be sure that they've cleared all backlog. That's one AIB, what do you think the others are doing, sitting on their thumbs? You could easily wager that one single card, 480, it is probably selling much more than one GP106, & two of GP104 put together.

Yes, as good as seemingly very high demand is for the IHV, especially considering the production which seems fine for a new process, as a customer you want product on shelves. Well, more product is incoming. Sure, it is not on level of 1070, never mind 1080. However, it is filling a spot in the market, and AMD's doing good for itself.

Let us talk about 2 titans based on Pascal though. Do you reckon it is too much like 780 & 780ti? Do you think Nvidia fans should wait for the full Pascal chip, especially since that is reported to come with HBM2?

 

[garagisti]

Here's an easy way to look at it. AMD has hit rock bottom. 18% dGPU share in a quarter vs NV recently. Now they are creeping up, in quarters prior to Polaris, so we're talking the same stuff, 380, 390/X etc that caused them to lose marketshare in the first place having a resurgence.

How do you attribute old tech regaining marketshare? There's a change in perception out there, the masses are coming to the realization about DX12/Vulkan, they buy with future proof in mind. I've seen many comments like this on forums and reddit.

So yes, time is actually on AMD's side, when you're rock bottom, the only way is up (unless you fold, Intel/Apple buys RTG heh)...

I do think AMD will win back more marketshare in the coming quarters, but NV is going to win with record margins & profits. I guess it's a win-win situation. Except for gamers looking for reasonably priced mid-range & high-end GPUs, they are the real losers.

Don't worry, they could look at Nvidia's share price/ profit margins & rejoice by buying a $1200 card, or the "things i can't say, for i don't want to add to mods' work" edition of the same.

On a serious note, Nvidia probably has Volta coming to consumer space only in 2018, and this is what will explain two Titans based on Pascal, GP102 & GP100. If Vega is perhaps as good as AMD needs it to be, the GP100 may be rushed (not in a negative sense) to market. That and add the fact that it would have HBM2, the gap on GP102 & GP100 titan chips should be interesting. I'd wager GP100 would outpace GP102 easily by about 30%.

I think it is a safe that at best there's a year max between two Titans coming to market. It should be interesting.

 

[railven]

When it comes to dGPUs AAA titles is what matters.. people don't buy video cards for indy games.

I think you're naive if you think Microsoft who invested heavily in DX12 isn't going to push it or companies like Valve who ported Dota 2 to Vulkan aren't going to push Vulkan.

Microsoft has vested interest in DX12, they have already announced Xbox Live "buy a console game play it on PC" program, in order to leverage Windows monopoly to grow their console market-share. They are forcing planned obsolescence on Win7 and Win8 and the way they are doing it is with DX12.

DX11 and OpenGL are old technologies, and AMD or Nvidia can't do anything about it.

I don't recall ever saying/thinking that. I've said, more along the lines, that by the time it is wildly adopted, current hardware won't be current.

IE, I agree with Futuremark. But after conversing a few times, I doubt you retain anything I say so I'll save myself the hassle. Twas fun.

 

[Silverforce11]

Me? Not many. I've said it multiple times why I switched to NV. I play more obscure niche games that most people here probably don't know of or don't care for. Because they aren't busting review sites doors down. I think this year I only played DOOM (long time DOOM fanboy) and Dark Souls 3 (almost missed Dark Souls 3 but one day got bored and loved part 1 marathon played the trilogy).

Ummm...yeah. Well aware of this. Been arguing this for months here. The majority of games aren't AAA-titles. Yet everyone here thinks DX12/Vulkan is going to get adopted by everyone and their mother.

[H] isn't acceptable for the same reason I mentioned, they only test a few games so the game selection bias is very skewed. I used them as an example to your argument that 10-12 games don't matter. It's pure nonsense. One AAA game can affect the summary for many of these review sites.

I raised Computerbase.de because they tested 17 games, yet, Doom & Anno skews it, if they include Doom, RX 480 ~ 1060. If they did not, it's well behind like on TPU.

And again we come back to the point that AAA pc gaming isn't many titles each year. I only play a handful myself and there's actually not that many AAA PC games each year. The rest of the games people play on PC aren't GPU intensive and don't get included in reviews. This is why one game can make a difference if it's a major title.

Not everyone and their mother is going to adopt Vulkan or DX12. But many AAA console ports will.

 

[sirmo]

I don't recall ever saying/thinking that. I've said, more along the lines, that by the time it is wildly adopted, current hardware won't be current.

IE, I agree with Futuremark. But after conversing a few times, I doubt you retain anything I say so I'll save myself the hassle. Twas fun.

If we're talking about Microsoft here than that's a foregone conclusion again.
Forza 6 Apex, GOW:UE and Quantum Break are the last 3 games they've released and all 3 are DX12 and run better on AMD.

You keep talking about DX12 as some future tech.. it's not, it's present tech.. it's what games are using today already.

 

[boozzer]

This post should just become a sticky. A quick go to when price complaints start to become the majority of posts in a thread.

I think people are upset over the price hike.

imagine the same type/class of car going from 40k to 80k within 2 years

I can do hyperbole too, very well in fact. I just don't bother and I don't wanna start mocking people. ^_^

 

[el etro]

The new Titan haves 3584 cores at 1531Mhz boost clock = 11 TF of power.

Answering to the Vega launch, they can crank up the TDP to 300W use a Full activated GP100 core with HBM2(DP enabled!), with GTX 1080 clocks. Will get them to ~14.2 Tflops, enough performance to be as fast as maybe a 3-way Titan X SLI.


This card may not have launched still probably because yields are low.

 

[Keysplayr]

I think people are upset over the price hike.

imagine the same type/class of car going from 40k to 80k within 2 years

I can do hyperbole too, very well in fact. I just don't bother and I don't wanna start mocking people. ^_^

Sigh....

It would be 40k to 48k, which actually does happen in the auto industry.

 

[SolMiester]

Jeebus, where to start.

AMD will be out with HBM2 equipped card before Nvidia will have theirs out. I'd wager that you would recommend people to wait for Nvidia's latest & greatest, before people make a purchase, wouldn't you? So why get so bent out of shape about him? Everyone was asking people to wait for 1060 so chill.

Sapphire, a single AIB, was delayed in making custom cards because, as per Gibbo who's on rather good terms with them, they had a backlog of 5k cards awaiting, and that for UK market alone. I don't know what that number may have been for global sales. Given the nitro cards are already trickling in, you can be sure that they've cleared all backlog. That's one AIB, what do you think the others are doing, sitting on their thumbs? You could easily wager that one single card, 480, it is probably selling much more than one GP106, & two of GP104 put together.

Yes, as good as seemingly very high demand is for the IHV, especially considering the production which seems fine for a new process, as a customer you want product on shelves. Well, more product is incoming. Sure, it is not on level of 1070, never mind 1080. However, it is filling a spot in the market, and AMD's doing good for itself.

Let us talk about 2 titans based on Pascal though. Do you reckon it is too much like 780 & 780ti? Do you think Nvidia fans should wait for the full Pascal chip, especially since that is reported to come with HBM2?

Errr?, WTF are you talking about?...what has that to do with a GPU manufacturer who has nothing coming until Vegas?....
If AMD is waiting for everyone to move to W10 for DX12, they will be waiting a long time.
Game manufacturers arent going to make games with just DX12 pathway.

 

[moonbogg]

I got it! I know why Nvidia charges so much for their cards. Take the 980ti for example. It was $650. That gave you high end performance of one generation for a year, and mid range performance of the whole next generation for free! That's a $450 value, such as the GTX 1070, for free this round.
Its exactly as if I bought a 980ti a year ago and then bought a GTX 1070 this year, but I didn't have to spend a dime for that 1070 performance.
Spending $1,200 now on a Titan gives you high end performance for a year, and mid range performance for another year after that. So its like buying two $600 cards each generation. Its like having a 980ti last year and a 1080 this year, each for about $600. See? It makes sense.

 

[beginner99]

NV is a genius at marketing. I am expecting 1080 / 1080 SLI owners to be putting up their cards on eBay and upgrading to this thing. Well played.

Well If AMD keeps up delivering mediocre products a viable strategy is to buy only used NV products. It's cheaper than new and you are not giving NV a single buck, at least not directly.

Plus since it's NV you know the card wasn't used for mining.

 

[mohit9206]

I got it! I know why Nvidia charges so much for their cards. Take the 980ti for example. It was $650. That gave you high end performance of one generation for a year, and mid range performance of the whole next generation for free! That's a $450 value, such as the GTX 1070, for free this round.
Its exactly as if I bought a 980ti a year ago and then bought a GTX 1070 this year, but I didn't have to spend a dime for that 1070 performance.
Spending $1,200 now on a Titan gives you high end performance for a year, and mid range performance for another year after that. So its like buying two $600 cards each generation. Its like having a 980ti last year and a 1080 this year, each for about $600. See? It makes sense.

Threadcrapping and trolling are not allowed
Markfw900

 

[Keysplayr]

Just buy what you can afford. Or what you want to afford. /end.

 

[JimKiler]

Well If AMD keeps up delivering mediocre products a viable strategy is to buy only used NV products. It's cheaper than new and you are not giving NV a single buck, at least not directly.

Plus since it's NV you know the card wasn't used for mining.

I am happy with my mediocre AMD cards. I am still running a R9 270. But buying used is a great strategy.

 

[Aristotelian]

Sigh....

It would be 40k to 48k, which actually does happen in the auto industry.

This. And, why are people surprised that prices are increasing in an area where the full understanding of the market potential has yet to be realized? "Gaming" is becoming a gender neutral thing, and therefore more and more people are becoming gamers. With the inherent competitive nature between human beings (like, the neighbour gets an M3 and then you want an F type, or a maserati etc...) people are getting more and more excited about technological progression.

I estimated the big price increase in the 6950X and lo and behold, it's still about EUR 1600. With a USD 1200 price for the Titan Pascal, I bet they'll be around EUR 1300-1400 per. And I'll get two, and finally my build will fall into place. There are loads of posts going around on this forum about "worth it", and it's something I've commented on before that I'll refrain from doing so here aside from saying that it is a reasonably useless discussion to be having.

 

[faseman]

Just buy what you can afford. Or what you want to afford. /end.

It's easy to have that attitude when you are paid by nvidia. You get free video cards so obviously you don't care how they are priced.

Meanwhile consumers are asked to pony up another 20% every couple of years, for no reason. Imagine if every new pc component went up by such amounts. There wouldn't be any fun unless you can justify thousands of dollars every couple of years.

New nodes are supposed to be the herald of big changes and lower prices for performance. Instead we get price hikes!

 

[n0x1ous]

New nodes are supposed to be the herald of big changes and lower prices for performance. Instead we get price hikes!

Yes on the changes/advancements, but the nodes are getting more expensive than ever as they near the limits of silicon

 

[Keysplayr]

It's easy to have that attitude when you are paid by nvidia. You get free video cards so obviously you don't care how they are priced.

Meanwhile consumers are asked to pony up another 20% every couple of years, for no reason. Imagine if every new pc component went up by such amounts. There wouldn't be any fun unless you can justify thousands of dollars every couple of years.

New nodes are supposed to be the herald of big changes and lower prices for performance. Instead we get price hikes!

What attitude? Buy what you can afford? That is common sense. And I do have more than one computer in my life that I buy graphics cards for. Nvidia usually sends me ONE card per gen. I have literally 7 computers I buy graphics cards for. So, don't play that card with me. Does not apply. So please knock off the personal digs. It's unproductive.

 

[faseman]

What attitude? Buy what you can afford? That is common sense. And I do have more than one computer in my life that I buy graphics cards for. Nvidia usually sends me ONE card per gen. I have literally 7 computers I buy graphics cards for. So, don't play that card with me. Does not apply. So please knock off the personal digs. It's unproductive.

Ahuh. How many of those 7 computers use graphics cards that were paid for by nvidia?

Nobody should trust personA who is paid in goods for a service by companyX and advocates for their products. It's easy to brush away price increases in your case as you receive free video cards. There's nothing personal about stating facts.


Attacking another member is not allowed. And it has nothing to do with this thread
Markfw900

 

[Keysplayr]

Ahuh. How many of those 7 computers use graphics cards that were paid for by nvidia?

Nobody should trust personA who is paid in goods for a service by companyX and advocates for their products. It's easy to brush away price increases in your case as you receive free video cards. There's nothing personal about stating facts.

Not a single one. And the Titan X in my PC here is the only one I am using for myself. Now, are you going to continue to personally assault me? Or can we talk about the topic? Just let me know.

 

[boozzer]

Sigh....

It would be 40k to 48k, which actually does happen in the auto industry.

but my last post wasn't actually hyperbole. mid range gpu is now 400$(that is just msrp, actual price around 450$) when it was 200$ just a few years ago. the last gold standard was gtx 460 1gb. even adding 10% every year per your post, it still wouldn't double. :thumbsdown: