All I want to know is how many Titan X buyers are going to sell them to buy 1080ti's? That's what happened just a year ago. People bought Titans, convinced themselves it was worth it, 980ti came out, they realized they got shafted, sold them and bought 980ti's.
Now with the Titan X being $1,200, many of the Titan SLI people are being priced out of the SLI solution. They are only buying one card. I predict they will sell the Titan in only a few months and replace it with dual 1080ti's.
That's 3 GPU solutions purchased by the same people in less than a year. Boy does Nvidia love the hell out of these guys.
Well the analogy breaks down at some point. Going along those same lines we are really getting Saturn V performance for Corvette prices if you consider the price/performance ratio from the beginnings of the computer age.
All I want to know is how many Titan X buyers are going to sell them to buy 1080ti's? That's what happened just a year ago. People bought Titans, convinced themselves it was worth it, 980ti came out, they realized they got shafted, sold them and bought 980ti's.
Now with the Titan X being $1,200, many of the Titan SLI people are being priced out of the SLI solution. They are only buying one card. I predict they will sell the Titan in only a few months and replace it with dual 1080ti's.
That's 3 GPU solutions purchased by the same people in less than a year. Boy does Nvidia love the hell out of these guys.
Its obvious that without competition, NVidia is testing the limits of the high end market. I have already seen some high end buyers get priced out of SLI, perhaps not due to a lack of money, but due to a lack of justification with the insane price of $2,400.00 for two cards.
The next high end GPU will cost about $1,500.00 (GP100). The price will increase until equilibrium is reached and it will stay there. It they overshoot the equilibrium, they will back it down to maybe $1,350-$1,400.00 or so.
Sorry but that isn't how MSRP works. The actual MSRP hasn't been $600 for any card that I know of, cheapest is EVGA's $620 but most if not all are $650+.
Those are the MSRP by the AIB, not retailer increased prices.
Nvidia doesn't set the MSRP of board partners, that was just the price they gave out in hopes board partners would reach it (and it sounds amazing in reviews!)
Just saw that Vega guy has a 980ti hybrid cooler working with the new titan, 2.1Ghz TitanX here I come
All I want to know is how many Titan X buyers are going to sell them to buy 1080ti's? That's what happened just a year ago. People bought Titans, convinced themselves it was worth it, 980ti came out, they realized they got shafted, sold them and bought 980ti's.
Now with the Titan X being $1,200, many of the Titan SLI people are being priced out of the SLI solution. They are only buying one card. I predict they will sell the Titan in only a few months and replace it with dual 1080ti's.
That's 3 GPU solutions purchased by the same people in less than a year. Boy does Nvidia love the hell out of these guys.
Its obvious that without competition, NVidia is testing the limits of the high end market. I have already seen some high end buyers get priced out of SLI, perhaps not due to a lack of money, but due to a lack of justification with the insane price of $2,400.00 for two cards.
The next high end GPU will cost about $1,500.00 (GP100). The price will increase until equilibrium is reached and it will stay there. It they overshoot the equilibrium, they will back it down to maybe $1,350-$1,400.00 or so.
All I want to know is how many Titan X buyers are going to sell them to buy 1080ti's? That's what happened just a year ago. People bought Titans, convinced themselves it was worth it, 980ti came out, they realized they got shafted, sold them and bought 980ti's.
Now with the Titan X being $1,200, many of the Titan SLI people are being priced out of the SLI solution. They are only buying one card. I predict they will sell the Titan in only a few months and replace it with dual 1080ti's.
That's 3 GPU solutions purchased by the same people in less than a year. Boy does Nvidia love the hell out of these guys.
Its obvious that without competition, NVidia is testing the limits of the high end market. I have already seen some high end buyers get priced out of SLI, perhaps not due to a lack of money, but due to a lack of justification with the insane price of $2,400.00 for two cards.
The next high end GPU will cost about $1,500.00 (GP100). The price will increase until equilibrium is reached and it will stay there. It they overshoot the equilibrium, they will back it down to maybe $1,350-$1,400.00 or so.
Not at all. You're mixing up the OG Titan which got shafted by the 780ti. Nobody who bought the Titan X traded it for anything. I know everybody said the 980ti beats it. That's a lie. The Titan X was stock clocked low so people could claim things like the 980ti is faster. It wasn't. The Titan X at 1500MHz crushed everything. Now this new Titan X claims to boost to 1600MHz or something. But I just saw it at 1911MHz bone stock. It gets to 2100MHz no issues. It's when I try for higher I do get issues.
Unless the 1080ti is a fully unlocked die like the 780ti was nobody will be selling these for those. I think nVidia learned their lesson with the OG Titan which was not really a gaming card if you think about it. With the Titan X it was a gaming card. That's why many of us bought it. This card too. No wasted DP components on here.
It may happen that a fully unlocked die may get released but it would be a Titan Black at $1500 not a 1080ti. But who knows it may happen but very unlikely.
The problem with all the Titan's have been they have reference coolers. Due to their limited cooling and extra noise, the "ti" cards could beat them while being quieter.
I assume you are also critical of AMD for producing a $1,499 Radeon Pro Duo consumer card? Is the price of the AMD Radeon Pro Duo in "the sane world"?
Highest end cards of BOTH companies (Remember that Radeon Pro Duo above?) jump higher.
Or is it really more of "it's not fair that Nvidia charges more for their Titan X"?
Apples and oranges. The Pro Duo can access AMD's FirePro drivers to accelerate productivity apps. As such, the card was targeted to professionals, who can claim the card as a business expense.
Can the Titan X run on Quadro drivers?
The Titan doesn't need Quadro drivers to run CUDA and professional apps.
Ugh.
There's a difference between running consumer GPUs on consumer drivers and professional GPUs on professional drivers.
Both Radeon and GeForce cards running on their respective consumer drivers can accelerate some apps which take advantage of OpenCL and CUDA respectively. However, some applications require FirePro or Quadro drivers to be installed, which requires users to install a FirePro or Quadro card -- with the exception of the Pro Duo.
EDIT: I would like to make it clear that I actually like the new Titan X and the GP102 chip. However I'm finding the price very difficult to justify.
There's also the fact that since the Kepler Titan, Nvidia pretty much squashed FP64 performance due to utilising FP32 focused GPUs. Making prices even harder to justify.
Granted yes, AMD did the same with Fiji relative to Hawaii, but at least Fiji was priced as a FP32 card, and as I mentioned, the Pro Duo was able to switch between Radeon and FirePro drivers.
MSRP isn't always what it sells for. On day 1, the first couple cards sold, will often be at the MSRP, but afterwards, the retailers will decide how big the demand is, and adjust the price.
MSRP is not the actual sales price, just what was recommended. Generally, as demands drops, so will the prices at which point you probably will see them for the MSRP, except for the modified, and OC'ed cards.
But again, the cards aren't placed at MSRP of $600, they are all above that at the prices I previous stated. That is the MSRP for those cards. Retailers are pricing them even higher in some areas (esp small / 3rd party shops).
Really now, what recent titles is the 1080 running at 144fps at 2560x1440? Even if if it could, you'd be hard pressed to get a consistent 144fps out of today's CPUs.
Arachnotronic: I see EK announced a new waterblock for the Titan X as of 8-12-2016.
What titles, and with what CPU?