New Pascal Titan X!

[2is]

1080Ti is looking like the first semi-affordable 4K single GPU solution. Titan X (Pascal) is more than I'm willing to pay.

It's not looking like that at all considering the card you speak of doesn't even exist.

 

[Mondozei]

And might never exist, if Vega is underwhelming.

 

[IEC]

It's not looking like that at all considering the card you speak of doesn't even exist.

Not on the market yet is not the same as not existing.

Pedantic snideness aside, it would be very reasonable to conclude that a slightly cut down 1080 Ti would be 4K capable, given that a Titan X (Pascal) is quite capable at 4K.

 

[bystander36]

Now that these cards exist, you can expect any new games created will step up the settings and require you to lower your settings again.

 

[2is]

Not on the market yet is not the same as not existing.

Pedantic snideness aside, it would be very reasonable to conclude that a slightly cut down 1080 Ti would be 4K capable, given that a Titan X (Pascal) is quite capable at 4K.

Please post your sources for this card existing. Plenty are speculating this IS a cut down 1080Ti marketed as a Titan card and priced like a titan card due to lack of competition. Stock vs Stock it's about 30% faster then a 1080, how much more cut down are you expecting?

 

[sze5003]

Now that these cards exist, you can expect any new games created will step up the settings and require you to lower your settings again.

Yup forcing us into the upgrade cycle once again lol. It's the way it works. Half those settings can be turned off though. Many times I don't notice a difference between ultra or super ultra and high.

 

[Mondozei]

it would be very reasonable to conclude that a slightly cut down 1080 Ti would be 4K capable, given that a Titan X (Pascal) is quite capable at 4K.

Why would you think its reasonable to assume the 1080 Ti is even planned if AMD cannot compete with the high-end? If Vega disappoints, kiss your 1080 Ti goodbye.

You're operating on nothing but blind faith. The only time NV has pulled out a Ti card for the high end was when AMD was competing. Learn from history.

 

[moonbogg]

Why would you think its reasonable to assume the 1080 Ti is even planned if AMD cannot compete with the high-end? If Vega disappoints, kiss your 1080 Ti goodbye.

You're operating on nothing but blind faith. The only time NV has pulled out a Ti card for the high end was when AMD was competing. Learn from history.

If they want to sell more than five GP102 cards in GeForce flavor then they will come out with 1080ti. Why would they design a chip and not maximize sales across a more broad market segment? A handful of people will pay $1,200.00. They will let them pay the big bucks then release a 1080ti so way more people can buy it.

 

[kami]

If they want to sell more than five GP102 cards in GeForce flavor then they will come out with 1080ti. Why would they design a chip and not maximize sales across a more broad market segment? A handful of people will pay $1,200.00. They will let them pay the big bucks then release a 1080ti so way more people can buy it.

Only difference this time is it probably won't come as fast as the 980ti did (11 weeks after Titan).

 

[Cookie Monster]

Im sure they could delay Volta on the consumer side (this will be much more important on the HPC side imo), and refresh the lineup from a GP104/GP106/GP107/8 stack with GP102/GP104/GP106/GP107/8 as the GTX11x0 series. Depends on the competition but we normally see a 2 year cycle on each GPU architecture from nVIDIA so it might happen. Performance increase might stay relatively small but for them it might make more sense then releasing Volta right away.

I think its all up to the performance of AMD's Vega.

Edit - Sorry for the OT but I kind of wonder if AMD made a mistake here. Polaris cannot hold down the fort by itself when the competition has released almost top to bottom lineup. Perhaps Vega should've launched with GDDR5X first.. These days absolute performance -> nVIDIA and these products have some of the biggest margins and Q1'17 is still far away. Not just that but it would be disappointing if the full fledged Vega beats by 5~10% or is same as the GP102.

I have to admit that it was weird when shopping around for a 1070 class video card. First time in my GPU purchase history, i had no alternative options.

 

[Newbian]

Now that these cards exist, you can expect any new games created will step up the settings and require you to lower your settings again.

It's either do that or push out games with sub par graphics for years and then people complain when they are the cause by running low / mid range gpu's.

Got to keep up with the technology.

 

[alcoholbob]

Why would you think its reasonable to assume the 1080 Ti is even planned if AMD cannot compete with the high-end? If Vega disappoints, kiss your 1080 Ti goodbye.

You're operating on nothing but blind faith. The only time NV has pulled out a Ti card for the high end was when AMD was competing. Learn from history.

Nvidia might want to test the market for a $799 SKU. If it does exist I'm sure it'll be quite cut down. Maybe a 3150 core SKU or something. Certainly they'd be able to profit from more defective chips.

 

[MrTeal]

If they want to sell more than five GP102 cards in GeForce flavor then they will come out with 1080ti. Why would they design a chip and not maximize sales across a more broad market segment? A handful of people will pay $1,200.00. They will let them pay the big bucks then release a 1080ti so way more people can buy it.

With 22 TFLOPS FP16 and 44 TOPS INT8 at $1200, nVidia will have a decent market for these cards even outside gaming. I also thing you're seriously underestimating the market for the absolute best video card available by three or four orders of magnitude. nVidia will be perfectly content to sell GP102 for $1000+ until the time something comes out that moves them to lower the price.

 

[Qwertilot]

Well, yes, but the thing that makes them move price is quite likely to be their need to give all the people who got 1080's this year/those with 980ti's who didn't get 1080's a plausible upgrade next year

Their annual +~30% performance uptick has been incredibly consistent for quite a while now, and a 1080ti/potential reorganisation into 11xx would do that very nicely.

 

[Timmah!]

And might never exist, if Vega is underwhelming.

I seriously doubt that. Even if AMD goes bankrupt tomorrow, there will still be 1080Ti. Unless you think Nvidia believes they can sell all the GP102s they produce as either Quadro or Titan, thus not cheaper than 1200 USD/1350 EUROs. I cant see that.

IMO the only question is when. Will there be like 2 months between titan and ti like in case of GM200, or will it be half of the year like in case of Kepler? I wish to know so much, cause my decision whether to buy 2 1080s now or wait for Ti hangs on it. Dont want to wait another half year, but then again, if i buy 1080s now and then in 2 months they release Ti, i will probably kill someone.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I seriously doubt that. Even if AMD goes bankrupt tomorrow, there will still be 1080Ti. Unless you think Nvidia believes they can sell all the GP102s they produce as either Quadro or Titan, thus not cheaper than 1200 USD/1350 EUROs. I cant see that.

IMO the only question is when. Will there be like 2 months between titan and ti like in case of GM200, or will it be half of the year like in case of Kepler? I wish to know so much, cause my decision whether to buy 2 1080s now or wait for Ti hangs on it. Dont want to wait another half year, but then again, if i buy 1080s now and then in 2 months they release Ti, i will probably kill someone.

With kepler it was also a few months for the 780.

Wonder what they'll do to "nerf" the 1080Ti though. Maybe they won't change a thing and consider the titan an even more overpriced founders edition.

 

[guskline]

Mine hits 2050 MHz when fan is cranked to 100%. Going to just leave it at stock for now until I get this on water. Very happy with the OC performance though, did not expect it to clock this high.

Congrats. I see the EK Titan X blocks are out on 8-12-2016

 

[sze5003]

I dunno if the 1080ti would come soon. I would be interested in it if I could do the EVGA upgrade path.

 

[eddman]

I'm sorry, what 1080 has an MSRP of $600 like your graph is showing?

What 1080?! The stock, non-OCed, non-FE 1080s. I don't know why people keep arguing about this.

1080's MSRP a.k.a "the selling price suggested by NVidia to partners for stock, non-OCed cards" is $600.

Again, the ONLY reason you cannot find any 1080 and 1070 cards at their MSRPs is because of a combination of high demand, low supply and lack of competition. This has been true since the dawn of free market.

This was true for some of the past generations too, where for example, 7800 was selling above its $600 MSRP for a while.

If you think that's not true, then explain why there are stock 1060s already selling at exactly the $250 MSRP? Simple, 480 is properly competing with 1060 and is even $10 cheaper.

This is correct. But let me provide a bit more back story to make this all clearer.

This whole mess began when Nvidia's CEO lied on stage, launching the GTX 1080 as a $600 product. This price was never listed on Nvidia's website, because no Nvidia-branded 1080 would ever sell for that much. But tech sites parroted the lie over and over, in some cases reviewing the 1080 FE and judging its performance based on a $600 price. This was a tremendous error on the part of these sites. They bought into the hype and did a disservice to readers.

Why do some people tend to see "lies" everywhere. Yes, board partners are not following NVidia's MSRP. That's nothing new or unexpected. They are not forced to follow it. They can stick whatever price they want on their cards. This is free market at work, unfortunately. As soon as AMD launches their competing product, you can be sure that every single stock 1080 would be selling at $600, or even less, if AMD manages to beat NVidia in performance.

The GTX 1080 is ultimately a $700 card that board partners can choose to discount if they wish. Some have shown that they do not wish to, particularly Asus and MSI. I think these two companies are really going to suffer lower sales this generation, as EVGA, Zotac, and Gigabyte sell equivalent products for $50-$100 less.

If 1080's real MSRP was $700, no board partner would even think of giving "discounts". Not a single one. Why? Because they know in a low supply/high demand/no competition situation, they'd be selling every single card. They won't have to give discounts for a hot selling product.

P.S. I am in no way defending these high prices. As a consumer, I'm not going to pay more for a card than its actual worth, and give unwarranted money to those that take advantage of the situation. I'm just trying to explain how the market works.

 

[daperl]

With 22 TFLOPS FP16 and 44 TOPS INT8 at $1200, nVidia will have a decent market for these cards even outside gaming. I also thing you're seriously underestimating the market for the absolute best video card available by three or four orders of magnitude.

I don't think that term means what you think it means.

 

[MrTeal]

I don't think that term means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure it does. Three orders of magnitude is a thousand fold increase, four is a ten thousand fold increase.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to estimate that nVidia will sell 5000-50,000 Titan X's to people who want absolutely the best GPU available.

 

[Termie]

Really? We're still discussing the $600 "Nvidia MSRP"?

There is no Nvidia MSRP. There is an EVGA, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, and Zotac MSRP.

None of them are $600, and they will never be $600. If the 1080 is ever beaten by AMD, we could see discounted cards, but MSRP never changes in the face of external competition, only internal product repositioning.

By the way, as an example of how silly this discussion is, when AMD reduced the MSRP of the Fury to $500, most cards stayed above $500. Why? Because AMD had no reference design and couldn't set MSRP on cards it didn't manufacture. Same goes for Nvidia and custom 1080s.

Back on topic, the MSRP of the Titan X Pascal is indeed $1200, and as one review site humorously pointed out, it's not $1199, which would be standard convention for cards in a typical retail market. Keeping that extra buck Nvidia is!

 

[daperl]

I'm pretty sure it does. Three orders of magnitude is a thousand fold increase, four is a ten thousand fold increase.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to estimate that nVidia will sell 5000-50,000 Titan X's to people who want absolutely the best GPU available.

Sorry, the prepositional phrase in your comment seems that you were saying that the card performs better than anything else by 1000 to 10000 times.

 

[eddman]

Really? We're still discussing the $600 "Nvidia MSRP"?

There is no Nvidia MSRP. There is an EVGA, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, and Zotac MSRP.

None of them are $600, and they will never be $600. End of discussion.

By the way, as an example of how silly this discussion is, when AMD reduced the MSRP of the Fury to $500, most cards stayed above $500. Why? Because AMD had no reference design and couldn't set MSRP on cards it didn't manufacture. Same goes for Nvidia and custom 1080s.

Back on topic, the MSRP of the Titan X Pascal is indeed $1200, and as one review site humorously pointed out, it's not $1199, which would be standard convention for cards in a typical retail market. Keeping that extra buck Nvidia is!

It's not about if NVidia is manufacturing the cards or not. They are simply SUGGESTING to partners that they sell their stock, non-OCed cards at $600. That's all. They simply ignored NVidia and set their own prices. No surprises there. It's been like this in many occasions in the past.

Yes, there will be $600 1080s, like there are $250 1060s.

As for titan P, $1199, $1200, what's the difference? It's still too damn expensive. Those who care about their money will wait for 1080 Ti.

 

[moonbogg]

With kepler it was also a few months for the 780.

Wonder what they'll do to "nerf" the 1080Ti though. Maybe they won't change a thing and consider the titan an even more overpriced founders edition.

They can simply release a full GP102 chip and call it Titan Black or whatever, then rebadge the current Titan X as the 1080ti. The current Titan X would fall off the radar. I don't know what would happen with the Vram. Probably nothing I guess. 12gb for all of them. Maybe they can increase the Titan black to 16gb.
I don't know if 12gb is the max for these cards or what. 16gb for titan black and 12gb 1080ti would make some sense. Full chip Titan black, existing cut down version or similar for 1080ti.