New PC Build - Please Comment

Z80

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My old faithful Abit NF7 based PC has finally died. It took a bolt of lightning during last weekends thunderstorms to kill it. I have been researching a replacement that I will use for light gaming (CS & L4D), MS Office, Internet browsing, photo editting and the occasional video editting project. I do like to tinker with overclocking the CPU and video card but nothing exotic. I plan on salvaging the case and a couple of IDE devices (LG DVD Burner (22x) and 200GB WD HD) from my old PC to use with the new setup. I live in central Florida so no Frys or Microcenters are close. Here's what I propose buying,

CPU/MB/RAM/HD Combo
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Power Supply
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Video Card
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The final cost will be about $417 after rebates and shipping. I definitely want a MB with integrated video because I will probably pull the video card when I hand the PC down to someone else and I like having a backup video source. I would hope this PC lasts 5 to 6 years with daily use. Should I be leary about any of these brands (Biostar, Powercolor, OCZ)? All comments and recommendations are appreciated.
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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MB and HDD are trash. I have a Biostar board in an 3200+ Venice system because my DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb died and the Biostar was all that was available in 2007. It took them over a year to come out with a driver update that supposedly fixes the "USB 2.0" to actually run faster than USB 1.1.

Samsung HDD's are THE WORST!

Corsair XMS rocks tho.

No comment on the PSU or gfx card.

 

Z80

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Thanks for your input. I was concerned about the Biostar MB but heard they had improved over the last couple of years. Anyone have any experience with the Biostar TA790GX series of motherboards or the Samsung EcoGreen HD's?
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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That particular Biostar might be OK, but the Samsung shouldn't even be a consideration. Ask yourself, do you REALLY need 1TB of space + your old WD drive? For the price of that Samsung (yes, I know it's part of a combo deal) you can get a 1TB Hitachi 7K1000.B which is a much faster and reliable drive (and has a rebate), or a 640Gb WD Black if ZZF gets any in stock soon. Those are both some of the best HDD's you can get for SATA - WD RE3 is a little faster, but more $$$.

Hitachi: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...9440&prodlist=celebros
 

brblx

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Originally posted by: ChaiBabbaChai
MB and HDD are trash. I have a Biostar board in an 3200+ Venice system because my DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb died and the Biostar was all that was available in 2007. It took them over a year to come out with a driver update that supposedly fixes the "USB 2.0" to actually run faster than USB 1.1.

Samsung HDD's are THE WORST!

Corsair XMS rocks tho.

No comment on the PSU or gfx card.

pretty much the opposite of all this. biostar is a decent budget mobo, samsung's hard drives are as reliable as anyone elses, though i'd go for the faster F1 drive instead of a damn 'green' drive. corsair XMS is overpriced.

you're really not saving much money with that combo. i'd ditch it and buy a 7200rpm hard drive (assuming this is going to be your main drive) and cheaper memory.
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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LOL - you're joking, right brblx? You have got to be kidding. So, Samsung and Biostar are the best, you are saying? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? Samsung might be better than Seagate, but if a Hitachi is the same cost as a Samsung, why get the Samsung? My experience with Samsung is that they are trash, and they do not have a reputation that says "SUPERIOR". Usually people trying to save money want them. My Hitachi in this PC has 16,546 hours / 636 start/stops right now, and ZERO errors, whereas both my much newer Seagates have errors, and once again, you can get a Hitachi for the same price or less after MIR. The Samsung my dad bought for the house PC died after a couple months and I don't hear anything about them which makes me want to get one. Multi-threaded reads @ <8MB/s is ridiculous. To be completely honest, Samsung F1 RAID drives are winners in 2-4 threaded writes, but @ 1 thread they are not so great. Samsungs don't have as fast a response time, but they are not nearly as bad as Seagate .11, SV35.3

XMS is not cheap RAM, so yeah, if you just want stock speeds and timings, then don't spend the $$$ for anything high-end.

 

Z80

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Thanks for the input. I'm going to drop the combo deal with the Samsung drive and get a faster 7200 RPM drive. Although, I do hate giving up the $32 combo discount, maybe I can still come in for around $400 if I go with one of the less expensive CPU's like the Athlon II X2 instead of the Phenom II X3. Would that be a good trade-off?
 

yh125d

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Chai, you are full of something that's for sure.


That biostar is a very well known and oft used AMD board. You're -definitely- way off there. Nobody gives a crap that *you* had a problem with a very different biostar board years ago. Leave that trash at the door


Samsung makes bad drives? Since when! Once again you are way off and your ego is so damn offputting its ridiculous. However, it is a 5400rpm drive, and would be a bad idea for OS as it'd be best relegated to storage.


As for their reliability, you seem to be the only one who has a grudge against Samsung. A lot more people complain about deathstars, and I can assure you of that. And I would say that most everyone considers Samsung to be a good brand. Not just hard drives, but all around. I don't know why *you* don't like them, but everyone else seems to. If anything, hitachi is viewed as an inferior brand to Samsung. Not the other way around


I suppose you're right about the ram though. Corsair XMS is good. But so was brblx, it is also overpriced.Some g.skill for $50 would probably be better


Why must every post you make be filled of wrongs done to you by brands you don't like, misleading information, convoluted logic, and overall bad advice?
 

Z80

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Actually the Corsair XMS2 memory at $42.99 (AR) and free shippings looks to be about the cheapest DDR2 800 2x2GB memory currently available on Newegg.
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I can upgrade to the Corsair XMS2 1066 memory for $49.99 (AR) with free shipping, would that be worth the additional $7.00 and/or improve my overclocking headroom?
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I normally prefer stability to a little extra speed.

Thanks
 

yh125d

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As a rule I rarely factor in rebates when purchasing, but that's just because of my bad luck. I know most have less trouble than I have, so YMMV
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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Originally posted by: yh125d
Chai, you are full of something that's for sure.

Originally posted by: yh125d
As a rule I rarely factor in rebates when purchasing, but that's just because of my bad luck. I know most have less trouble than I have, so YMMV

... Nobody gives a crap that *you* had a problem with a very different biostar board years ago. ...

Samsung makes bad drives? Since when! Once again you are way off and your ego is so damn offputting its ridiculous. However, it is a 5400rpm drive, and would be a bad idea for OS as it'd be best relegated to storage.

As for their reliability, you seem to be the only one who has a grudge against Samsung. A lot more people complain about deathstars, and I can assure you of that. And I would say that most everyone considers Samsung to be a good brand. Not just hard drives, but all around. I don't know why *you* don't like them, but everyone else seems to. If anything, hitachi is viewed as an inferior brand to Samsung. Not the other way around

I suppose you're right about the ram though. Corsair XMS is good. But so was brblx, it is also overpriced.Some g.skill for $50 would probably be better

Why must every post you make be filled of wrongs done to you by brands you don't like, misleading information, convoluted logic, and overall bad advice?



They don't make "DeathStars" anymore. Hitachi bought the storage technology from IBm and fixed the issue many years ago. Samsung may be mentioned more because they make cell phones and monitors, but that really has no bearing on their performance.

Everybody all throughout this board and others talk about their experiences with brands, people, etc. I am not being misleading - go look at reviews and benchmarks for all these hard drives. Your logic is based on personality which has nothing to do with good advice or knowledge of computers.

It's funny how people have a problem with my points based on research and they fail to ever provide even one simple fact that counters what I say.

I have a Biostar board RIGHT NOW and they just came out with the USB fix this year - maybe it's because they put their legacy stuff on the back burner, maybe it's because they are under new management - does it matter? You can get an ECS to work, or an Asus/MSI/Gigabyte that is DOA. It's all about how much you have to spend.

Also, according to Z80 above me, the XMS is not overpriced, so whatever...

p.s. - I don't have a big ego, I'm just crude. It's not like everyone else on here is 100% right 365 days a year.
 

brblx

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i'm using a biostar board i bought in '08 and have had zero problems. my only complaint is the lack of precise CPU voltage adjustment. and i really don't need it.

by your logic, i should be hailing biostar as the best company in the world. the fact is that you can't condemn (or praise) an entire company or product line based on limited experiences. if you want to recommend what generally is regarded as good, that's fine. just don't come in calling everything else crap.

both motherboard and hard drive manufacturers fall in and out of grace so often that i really find it hard to recommend anything based on user reviews, honestly. many negative mobo reviews on newegg seem to be from user error, and every hard drive manufacturer has put out some bad batches of drives. don't ask for us to provide 'evidence' when you've provided none yourself. and if you look at hard drive reviews, you will find the samsung f1's consistently up there with the hitachi and WD drives, along with quite a few others. similar platter density + same spindle speed more often then not gives extremely similar peformance. the only thing to really differentiate hard drives is reliability, which is really increasingly sketchy for ALL manufacturers.
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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Originally posted by: brblx
i'm using a biostar board i bought in '08 and have had zero problems. my only complaint is the lack of precise CPU voltage adjustment. and i really don't need it.

by your logic, i should be hailing biostar as the best company in the world. the fact is that you can't condemn (or praise) an entire company or product line based on limited experiences. if you want to recommend what generally is regarded as good, that's fine. just don't come in calling everything else crap.

both motherboard and hard drive manufacturers fall in and out of grace so often that i really find it hard to recommend anything based on user reviews, honestly. many negative mobo reviews on newegg seem to be from user error, and every hard drive manufacturer has put out some bad batches of drives. don't ask for us to provide 'evidence' when you've provided none yourself. and if you look at hard drive reviews, you will find the samsung f1's consistently up there with the hitachi and WD drives, along with quite a few others. similar platter density + same spindle speed more often then not gives extremely similar peformance. the only thing to really differentiate hard drives is reliability, which is really increasingly sketchy for ALL manufacturers.

Actually, you said that it was "pretty much the opposite" of trash, so that would be somewhere near "hailing" it. So, you are the one hailing Biostar. You guys sound like a bunch fanboys. When someone poses the question "which motherboard should I get if I want the best?" this month, does anyone say Biostar? I have every right to say anything "decent" is a piece of trash. My first job was building products at a company who most pro _________'s use and I've worked in QC = I just pay attention to details.

Who said I was only reading newegg reviews? I certainly didn't. My favorite flash drives get terrible reviews, and I've never had a problem. I DID provide "evidence", you are providing blanket statements. I said the Samsungs are terrible at multi-threaded reads (like loading an OS). Hitachi was the first company to have a 1TB HDD and have technology that has been around for longer than Samsung, so that's a reason to trust them + the current Hitachis are performing very well. Everybody knows some batches / designs are flawed, but why should anyone giving advice on what to buy sit here and type out a list of all the flawed products in the industry at question? I don't agree that HDD technology is becoming "increasingly sketchy". The WD RE3 and Blacks are ALL-AROUND winners which means that they don't really perform terribly in anything. The Hitachi .B and E are also great. The Seagates and Samsungs are winners in 1 or 2 areas, but fall short in others. Don't you think that the people who design and develop these HDD's know that, hence they set the price accordingly? Again, just because everyone knows where McDonalds is, doesn't mean they make quality food. Samsung is a household name, but that doesn't speak about their performance.
 

yh125d

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I am not being misleading

Bull.

"Samsung HDD's are THE WORST!" - Is a false, blanket generalization. The Samsung F1 1TB and other spinpoint models are very good. Reliable, quiet, fast. The 1TB is as fast as a WD black. Just because the specific HD listed above was a poor choice does -not- mean all Samsungs are bad or slow. I am not a fanboy, you DO have a grudge


"MB and HDD are trash." HD bit was talked about above so I'll talk about the MB part. You let your past bad experience with a biostar board lead you to generalize to the OP that all biostars are crap, which IS misleading and false. That MB is quite a good budget board, and often used and recommended here. Adding your input on experiences you've had with specific brands is fine, but letting a bad experience lead you to tell others that an entire brand is crap is not. For example, someone built a PC on AT recently with an Antec earthwatts PSU, which is a respected and lauded line. However, the OP was unlucky and it burned out. This does not make all Antec PSU's crap. Do you get that logic?

So, Samsung and Biostar are the best, you are saying?

No, he didn't say that. You are putting words in his mouth. What he said, was Samsung HDs are as reliable as anyone elses (true) and That that biostar was a decent budget MB (also true)

My experience with Samsung is that they are trash, and they do not have a reputation that says "SUPERIOR"

In just about every market Samsung is in (monitors, cell phones, TVs, etc) they are considered above average and/or higher quality than their cheaper competitors. "Usually people trying to save money want them" is not true. People usually buy samsung when they have a little more to spend than bottom line


And there is definitely a difference between *me* not factoring in rebates when *I* buy items, and *you* giving bad advice to someone *else* buying something because of *your* experience with that company. If I had noticed the rebate on the RAM I wouldn't have called it overpriced.


It's funny how people have a problem with my points based on research and they fail to ever provide even one simple fact that counters what I say.

You haven't given a single shred to back up your claims about Samsung drives. Do you have a link to a review or something?

I don't have a big ego, I'm just crude. It's not like everyone else on here is 100% right 365 days a year.

No, but most of us are less confrontational and agressive when our advice is disputed, or when we disagree with the advice of others

Actually, you said that it was "pretty much the opposite" of trash, so that would be somewhere near "hailing" it.

No, the opposite of "XXXX is trash", is "XXXX is not trash"

When someone poses the question "which motherboard should I get if I want the best?" this month, does anyone say Biostar?

No, but that is not the question posed in this thread. The OP seems to be looking for a good budget AMD motherboard with decent onboard IGP. The biostar is that.

I have every right to say anything "decent" is a piece of trash.

You have the right to say whatever the hell you want. That doesn't mean that it's right, or not stupid however.

My first job was building products at a company who most pro _________'s use and I've worked in QC = I just pay attention to details.

There goes that ego again

I DID provide "evidence"

Where?

you are providing blanket statements

Excuse me? We are commenting on a couple specific models, you are trashing an entire brand because of a couple bad experiences? YOU are the one with the blanket generalizations

Hitachi was the first company to have a 1TB HDD and have technology that has been around for longer than Samsung

Which was hot and slow and not that reliable, and didn't beat competitors to the punch by much. If anything that drive should be a black mark on their record. Seagate had the first 1.5tb drive. See how well that's worked for them?
 

ChaiBabbaChai

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You are a kettle who forgot to put on his glasses, hence thinking I am a pot... :\ get it? I think saying someone is full of "something" and saying it's "bull" is very confrontational and aggressive... so is saying someone is wrong about brand preference/avoidance. It's a free market and you can buy all the decent crap you want.

You have not once in this thread typed a specific model name or provided any paraphrased information from benchmarks. There are more than 1 Samsung SpinPoint F1 1TB model. Nice job picking those cherries though and throwing out all the useful info.

Last, but not least: At least I didn't turn to the weakest of all antics - personal attacks.

here is the 1TB shootout I have been referring to: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...b-14hdd-roundup_2.html
 

brblx

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Originally posted by: yh125d

...stuff...

there are some people who really just aren't worth arguing with. really, very very few people, actually, because your more intelligent types don't start random nonsensical crap.

just leave it alone. sorry your thread is ruined, OP.
 

yh125d

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Originally posted by: ChaiBabbaChai
You are a kettle who forgot to put on his glasses, hence thinking I am a pot... :\ get it? I think saying someone is full of "something" and saying it's "bull" is very confrontational and aggressive... so is saying someone is wrong about brand preference/avoidance. It's a free market and you can buy all the decent crap you want.

You have not once in this thread typed a specific model name or provided any paraphrased information from benchmarks. There are more than 1 Samsung SpinPoint F1 1TB model. Nice job picking those cherries though and throwing out all the useful info.

Last, but not least: At least I didn't turn to the weakest of all antics - personal attacks.

here is the 1TB shootout I have been referring to: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...b-14hdd-roundup_2.html

If I come across as confrontational, it is because I have watched you several times enter a thread and spew nonsense and prejudice, misleading lesser informed posters, and it's hard to sit idle.


I didn't know I was expected to list model numbers in every reference to a product. in the context of my posts "that biostar" refers to the one in the OP, the Biostar TA790GX XE. Are we clear now or do I need to PM you a link?

As for the Samsung, the one I referred to was the most common spinpoint F1 1TB, the HD103UJ


How much paraphrasing have you done?


You are a kettle who forgot to put on his glasses, hence thinking I am a pot... :\ get it? I think saying someone is full of "something" and saying it's "bull" is very confrontational and aggressive...


I think you were the first one to be confrontational and defensive...

LOL - you're joking, right brblx? You have got to be kidding. So, Samsung and Biostar are the best, you are saying? Or are you just trying to be argumentative?
 
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