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ProviaFan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...
As if it hasn't been said enough, you're being an ass, and a stupid one at that. Recently, or the last time I looked, 250GB was certainly near or at the bottom of the price/GB curve.

If he could have waited a bit, then yes, Socket AM2 might have a bit better of an upgrade path, but sometimes people need to buy now; postponing a purchase indefinitely because something newer will be coming out is rather stupid, because something newer will always be coming out "soon," and then you'd never get anything.

His wiring is better than mine (though I have more stuff in my case, and I lack a window), and is easily fixable with a bit of effort. I'm sure he'll get the bug and fix it sooner or later.

The spelling does leave something to be desired, but your attitude is worse than his spelling, so consider the tree trunk in your eye before you whine about the splinter in his.
 

Shizzle

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Nov 8, 2005
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i cant be stuffed fixing the wiring.....most of the wires for the case fan i cant hide!!!!
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...


AM2 will not have much of a performance impact (DDR2 sucks), The wiring can be fixed, WTF are you talking about with the hard drive? 250 is the sweet spot right now. OK now you're just being crazy.

shizzle, just ignore this guy. You have a great rig, don't let people like this bring you down.

True, DDR2 sucks but this guy has no upgrade path whatsoever. Maybe your right, 250 could very likely be the sweet spot, how much did the OP pay for the drive though? Sure it's a great rig but he built it WAYYYY too late...
 

jc9970

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Dec 2, 2005
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...


AM2 will not have much of a performance impact (DDR2 sucks), The wiring can be fixed, WTF are you talking about with the hard drive? 250 is the sweet spot right now. OK now you're just being crazy.

shizzle, just ignore this guy. You have a great rig, don't let people like this bring you down.

True, DDR2 sucks but this guy has no upgrade path whatsoever. Maybe your right, 250 could very likely be the sweet spot, how much did the OP pay for the drive though? Sure it's a great rig but he built it WAYYYY too late...

Upgrade path? Seriously, how many people end up keeping they're existing motherboard, processor and or video card whenever they upgrade? Usually when I upgrade, I upgrade everything (in other words, *replace*). Either way, How would you know what kind of upgrade path he'll have with AM2? You certainly don't know if they'll come out with another socket 6 months later. Upgrading is a term that is slowly becoming obsolete due to technology's current (fast) pace. Need I say more?

 

Philippine Mango

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Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: jc9970
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...


AM2 will not have much of a performance impact (DDR2 sucks), The wiring can be fixed, WTF are you talking about with the hard drive? 250 is the sweet spot right now. OK now you're just being crazy.

shizzle, just ignore this guy. You have a great rig, don't let people like this bring you down.

True, DDR2 sucks but this guy has no upgrade path whatsoever. Maybe your right, 250 could very likely be the sweet spot, how much did the OP pay for the drive though? Sure it's a great rig but he built it WAYYYY too late...

Upgrade path? Seriously, how many people end up keeping they're existing motherboard, processor and or video card whenever they upgrade? Usually when I upgrade, I upgrade everything (in other words, *replace*). Either way, How would you know what kind of upgrade path he'll have with AM2? You certainly don't know if they'll come out with another socket 6 months later. Upgrading is a term that is slowly becoming obsolete due to technology's current (fast) pace. Need I say more?

Yes...
I believe in upgrade paths... When I upgrade, I try to save as much money as possible, not WASTE as much money as possible...
 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...

That's a stupid thing to say. What, as soon as AM2 comes out, his rig will magically degrade and not be able to handle games it previously could? Not everybody upgrades their processors only. I've built and upgraded about 20 of my own systems, and NEVER have i simply upgraded the CPU. I've always upgraded the CPU and mobo simultaenously.
 

Philippine Mango

Diamond Member
Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...

That's a stupid thing to say. What, as soon as AM2 comes out, his rig will magically degrade and not be able to handle games it previously could? Not everybody upgrades their processors only. I've built and upgraded about 20 of my own systems, and NEVER have i simply upgraded the CPU. I've always upgraded the CPU and mobo simultaenously.

Well, I have... No his system won't exactly magically degrade but it will be less "high end" as that happens with everything. But it's pretty bad that he JUST built this system despite the official announcement (IIRC) of socket AM2. If had built it in say sept or august, I would have nothing agianst it but he friggen built it in JANUARY. He gave that system litterally NO upgrade path. DDR2 may be slower but it's obviously the future...
 

jc9970

Senior member
Dec 2, 2005
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jc9970
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...


AM2 will not have much of a performance impact (DDR2 sucks), The wiring can be fixed, WTF are you talking about with the hard drive? 250 is the sweet spot right now. OK now you're just being crazy.

shizzle, just ignore this guy. You have a great rig, don't let people like this bring you down.

True, DDR2 sucks but this guy has no upgrade path whatsoever. Maybe your right, 250 could very likely be the sweet spot, how much did the OP pay for the drive though? Sure it's a great rig but he built it WAYYYY too late...

Upgrade path? Seriously, how many people end up keeping they're existing motherboard, processor and or video card whenever they upgrade? Usually when I upgrade, I upgrade everything (in other words, *replace*). Either way, How would you know what kind of upgrade path he'll have with AM2? You certainly don't know if they'll come out with another socket 6 months later. Upgrading is a term that is slowly becoming obsolete due to technology's current (fast) pace. Need I say more?

Yes...
I believe in upgrade paths... When I upgrade, I try to save as much money as possible, not WASTE as much money as possible...

Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?
 

Looney

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...

That's a stupid thing to say. What, as soon as AM2 comes out, his rig will magically degrade and not be able to handle games it previously could? Not everybody upgrades their processors only. I've built and upgraded about 20 of my own systems, and NEVER have i simply upgraded the CPU. I've always upgraded the CPU and mobo simultaenously.

Well, I have... No his system exactly magically degrade but it will be less "high end" as that happens with everything. But it's pretty bad that he JUST built this system despite the official announcement (IIRC) of socket AM2. If had built it in say sept or august, I would have nothing agianst it but he friggen built it in JANUARY. He gave that system litterally NO upgrade path. DDR2 may be slower but it's obviously the future...

Which processor and mobo did you have originally that you upgraded later on? I always upgrade both the mobo and CPU together because the first generation boards usually suck. Yeah, i could have stuck with my original ECS K7S5A board when i went to upgrade my 1800XP to 2500XP, but the Asus A7N8X was so superior to it.
 

Philippine Mango

Diamond Member
Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: jc9970
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jc9970
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...


AM2 will not have much of a performance impact (DDR2 sucks), The wiring can be fixed, WTF are you talking about with the hard drive? 250 is the sweet spot right now. OK now you're just being crazy.

shizzle, just ignore this guy. You have a great rig, don't let people like this bring you down.

True, DDR2 sucks but this guy has no upgrade path whatsoever. Maybe your right, 250 could very likely be the sweet spot, how much did the OP pay for the drive though? Sure it's a great rig but he built it WAYYYY too late...

Upgrade path? Seriously, how many people end up keeping they're existing motherboard, processor and or video card whenever they upgrade? Usually when I upgrade, I upgrade everything (in other words, *replace*). Either way, How would you know what kind of upgrade path he'll have with AM2? You certainly don't know if they'll come out with another socket 6 months later. Upgrading is a term that is slowly becoming obsolete due to technology's current (fast) pace. Need I say more?

Yes...
I believe in upgrade paths... When I upgrade, I try to save as much money as possible, not WASTE as much money as possible...

Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....
 

jc9970

Senior member
Dec 2, 2005
263
0
0
Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?[/quote]

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....[/quote]

That's just your own speculation. I remember when everyone was jumping on the socket 754 bandwagon and everyone was going nuts for it. Couple months later, they announce the release of the all new 939 socket. The socket that was to become the standard for all future processors. And what do ya know, a couple months later, they announce a new socket. The fact of the matter is, technology is constantly changing. Will we ever have a standard? I don't think so. It all comes down to how long you plan to keep your build.

 

Philippine Mango

Diamond Member
Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: jc9970
Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....[/quote]

That's just your own speculation. I remember when everyone was jumping on the socket 754 bandwagon and everyone was going nuts for it. Couple months later, they announce the release of the all new 939 socket. The socket that was to become the standard for all future processors. And what do ya know, a couple months later, they announce a new socket. The fact of the matter is, technology is constantly changing. Will we ever have a standard? I don't think so. It all comes down to how long you plan to keep your build.

[/quote]
Yes but the reason why for the change was not because of the pin out for the processor, but to support DDR2. AT LEAST if the OP had gotten a Socket AM2 based system, then the OP could use his old DDR2 memory in the next build..
 

jc9970

Senior member
Dec 2, 2005
263
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0
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jc9970
Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....

That's just your own speculation. I remember when everyone was jumping on the socket 754 bandwagon and everyone was going nuts for it. Couple months later, they announce the release of the all new 939 socket. The socket that was to become the standard for all future processors. And what do ya know, a couple months later, they announce a new socket. The fact of the matter is, technology is constantly changing. Will we ever have a standard? I don't think so. It all comes down to how long you plan to keep your build.

[/quote]
Yes but the reason why for the change was not because of the pin out for the processor, but to support DDR2. AT LEAST if the OP had gotten a Socket AM2 based system, then the OP could use his old DDR2 memory in the next build..[/quote]

As you said, DDR2 sucks. So if he were to go with AM2, he wouldn't have a choice but to go with $hitty DDR2 memory. And when he does decide to upgrade, I'm more then positive that he would want to upgrade to better DDR2 memory. So once again, we're replacing.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not impressed, you spent money on a system that will be quickly outdated with the release of socket AM2, your wiring sucks, you bought a 250GB drive which is IMO not exactly a good price point (unless of course you got it with rebate/discount which I doubt). You have yet to answer the question, are you finnish or did a finnish person assemble your system...

Ignore 'da Mango, as he's taken on an annoying, no-nothing-yet-professes-the-exact-opposite attitude with all his sophomoric posts as of late.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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May 13, 2003
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How are your temps? Nice machine... But I have to agree, that you've got to clean up in there. But hey, if your temps are good.

Speaking of pics, mind if I add to my site???
 

Philippine Mango

Diamond Member
Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: jc9970
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jc9970
Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....

That's just your own speculation. I remember when everyone was jumping on the socket 754 bandwagon and everyone was going nuts for it. Couple months later, they announce the release of the all new 939 socket. The socket that was to become the standard for all future processors. And what do ya know, a couple months later, they announce a new socket. The fact of the matter is, technology is constantly changing. Will we ever have a standard? I don't think so. It all comes down to how long you plan to keep your build.
Yes but the reason why for the change was not because of the pin out for the processor, but to support DDR2. AT LEAST if the OP had gotten a Socket AM2 based system, then the OP could use his old DDR2 memory in the next build..[/quote]

As you said, DDR2 sucks. So if he were to go with AM2, he wouldn't have a choice but to go with $hitty DDR2 memory. And when he does decide to upgrade, I'm more then positive that he would want to upgrade to better DDR2 memory. So once again, we're replacing.
[/quote]

But then as time went on, even better DDR2 memory would be available and all he'd have to do is upgrade to better DDR2 memory and CPU (assuming he needs a faster processor). Look at it this way, the next time he upgrades, it will be more than likely that he will NOT be getting the best DDR2 memory but more of the equivalent of DDR 2700 and not 3200 (think of that time period) while as of this moment, he'd be getting PC 2100, so an upgrade from 2100 to 3200 would be more worthwhile than an upgrade from 2700 to 3200.... See what I'm saying?

Oh, and heres something I and I don't believe anybody has thought about yet...
Because AMD has an integrated memory controller, it doesn't matter if it's low latency or high latency since it has little impact on performance. Thats one advantage of having an integrated memory controller, high latency memory won't hurt performance nearly as much as on intel systems. So it doesn't really matter anyways.. Only time he'd need or anybody else need better memory if you were 1. Overclocking and the memory was holding you back and 2. Upgrading the processor to one that requires memory with higher bandwidth..

BTW, Thats what I remember from reading an anandtech benchmark with tight memory timings and relaxed memory timings that there was little performance difference..
 

jimmyj68

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Mar 18, 2004
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The OP, is exceedingly proud of him/her self for having purchased and successfully assembled their first computer. Thankfully there were some posters with the decency and common sense to feedback to that success. But sadly there are some who leap at the opportunity to criticize. The wiring is a minor flaw (flaw?). OP got the thing together and it is operating as designed. On computer build number 10 he can look to achieve an apparently "wireless" computer assembly.

To take the OP to task for what one poster considers poor spending decisions is in unforgiveable poor taste.

As for me? Congratulations OP. You did an excellent job of home assembling a computer. Keep up the good work.
 

Philippine Mango

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Oct 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: jimmyj68
The OP, is exceedingly proud of him/her self for having purchased and successfully assembled their first computer. Thankfully there were some posters with the decency and common sense to feedback to that success. But sadly there are some who leap at the opportunity to criticize. The wiring is a minor flaw (flaw?). OP got the thing together and it is operating as designed. On computer build number 10 he can look to achieve an apparently "wireless" computer assembly.

To take the OP to task for what one poster considers poor spending decisions is in unforgiveable poor taste.

As for me? Congratulations OP. You did an excellent job of home assembling a computer. Keep up the good work.

Oh I see, because this was his first system build, the first thing we need to think about is the fact that he got "his first system" working and not the fact that Socket AM2 is literally right around the corner...:roll:
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jimmyj68
The OP, is exceedingly proud of him/her self for having purchased and successfully assembled their first computer. Thankfully there were some posters with the decency and common sense to feedback to that success. But sadly there are some who leap at the opportunity to criticize. The wiring is a minor flaw (flaw?). OP got the thing together and it is operating as designed. On computer build number 10 he can look to achieve an apparently "wireless" computer assembly.

To take the OP to task for what one poster considers poor spending decisions is in unforgiveable poor taste.

As for me? Congratulations OP. You did an excellent job of home assembling a computer. Keep up the good work.

Oh I see, because this was his first system build, the first thing we need to think about is the fact that he got "his first system" working and not the fact that Socket AM2 is literally right around the corner...:roll:

Please, you've made your point. No need to press on. We FULLY understand your view on the subject... so be it. Let others have theirs, etc....
 

Buz2b

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Originally posted by: Shizzle
i cant be stuffed fixing the wiring.....most of the wires for the case fan i cant hide!!!!

Yes you can. You just need to use your imagination a bit. Some of the wiring can be hidden and some may have to be camouflaged with a wire wrap or some other way. You can also go behind the MB with some wiring; even if you have to extend it. Either way, it can be done. Hang in there and really think about it.
BTW, don't get distracted by some of the BS going on with some other posts. You did a very respectable job for your build. Just get things going on the wiring and you'll have it perfected!
 

TheRyuu

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Dec 3, 2005
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Nice build, and as everyone else said the only problem is the wiring (not that mine is any better if you saw my Rig post).

Nice Rig
 

JEDIYoda

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it doesn`t matter what anybody thinks!!

Its a nice rigg...upgradeable or not!! Its still a nice rigg!!

Wireing be damned the OP has something to be proud of!!!

Nice job!!
 

Ranulf

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: jc9970
Define what you consider *upgrade*. Say the OP goes with AM2. A year later, (example) AM30 is out and he wants to upgrade. Sadly, his current cpu, and motherboard isn't compatible, so hes forced to *replace*. And most likely, he will want to replace his card with something newer. How is this considered an upgrade path?

Then it would equally suck and not matter but last I checked, I knew about Socket AM2 (formally M2) at least back in July '05 but IIRC I heard about M2 as early as february '05... The next progressive socket change shouldn't be until at least mid '07 to '08....

That's just your own speculation. I remember when everyone was jumping on the socket 754 bandwagon and everyone was going nuts for it. Couple months later, they announce the release of the all new 939 socket. The socket that was to become the standard for all future processors. And what do ya know, a couple months later, they announce a new socket. The fact of the matter is, technology is constantly changing. Will we ever have a standard? I don't think so. It all comes down to how long you plan to keep your build.

[/quote]
Yes but the reason why for the change was not because of the pin out for the processor, but to support DDR2. AT LEAST if the OP had gotten a Socket AM2 based system, then the OP could use his old DDR2 memory in the next build..[/quote]


:roll:

It all matters on how much the person wants to spend anyway and how often they need/want to upgrade to run things. Besides, buying the new gen AM2 right off the bat is generally stupid. You end up paying through the nose for the "uber super fast stuff" and then you get to be a tester for all the bugs that still need to be worked out or ones that show up with real world mass exposure.
 

Budarow

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Same comments as the rest....nice specs bad wiring.

After seeing your pics and the wiring...I had to look inside my windowed case and I found what I suspected. My modular cables look SWEET I do have a couple of loose wires hanging around only because I still have to pick out/install the UV tubes to make the cables glow (i.e., I'll bundle any loose wires once I know where everything will be placed).

I like the performance and looks of my Ultra PS so much I bought another 1 for $26 shipped for my future build (while the prices were cheap and the PS available). AND don't give me any BS about Ultra PS' being bad...blah...blah...BLAH!

You go spend a >$100 for another modular PS for yourself and with your $$$$ and STFU about my hardware Modular is the WAY to go with a windowed case.
 
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