Just for clarification, what exactly is a documented record? Any infractions? Multiple infractions? Temp bans? Etc?
I think this all sounds really nice if you guys are up for the task (not small) of moderating it. Lately I've been avoiding P&N because of the low quality of the discourse but I will occasionally skim it for interesting news. I wouldn't be upset if a decision was made to close Social completely, this was a tech forum when I joined.
Just for clarification, what exactly is a documented record? Any infractions? Multiple infractions? Temp bans? Etc?
wow...why does everything end up with what if`s.......isn`t Eagles response good enough...
sounds good, just make it visible to everyone or no one will know it exists and it will fail to attract critical mass from people of other sub-forums who avoid P&N because they don't like the tone, but will be maybe interested in this "sealed" forum.
Also I would make it so that violations of local rules that are not intervention-worthy violations in other forums (e.g. posting on-topic but bringing the thread in dangerous directions) bans you from posting in that forum only, and not in the rest of AT forums.
To make an example: a debate club forbids yelling, if you yell, you get expelled from the club, but you don't get fined like if you insulted someone since yelling on the street outside of rest hours is legal. If you insult someone, you get both expelled from the club AND fined.
You know, this way the local moderation can be much harsher, with its necessary judgement calls, without hurting the AT userbase or punishing users too much, but still reaching the objective of keeping the place clean as a whistle which is the important thing.
Actually in my opinion you want there to be no consequences for when somebody screws up...intentionally or by accident...that is why they have implemented a 3 strikes policy....just have to read what PerkNose and Eagle and Charles have posted.....sounds good, just make it visible to everyone or no one will know it exists and it will fail to attract critical mass from people of other sub-forums who avoid P&N because they don't like the tone, but will be maybe interested in this "sealed" forum.-- I don`t think the object is to attract critical mass...this is an experiment that if it works will be applied to the other P&N and both will be merged...I also understand that if it doesn`t work there very well might be 2....
Also I would make it so that violations of local rules that are not intervention-worthy violations in other forums (e.g. posting on-topic but bringing the thread in dangerous directions) bans you from posting in that forum only, and not in the rest of AT forums.-- I think a violation of the rules is a violation of the rules...if you get banned for something you did in Off topic that ban applies forum wide...I see no reason for that not to be the case...just my opinion
To make an example: a debate club forbids yelling, if you yell, you get expelled from the club, but you don't get fined like if you insulted someone since yelling on the street outside of rest hours is legal. If you insult someone, you get both expelled from the club AND fined.-- the problem is quite simple...again you get banned from Off topic that does not allow you to post in the other forums....
You know, this way the local moderation can be much harsher, with its necessary judgement calls, without hurting the AT userbase or punishing users too much, but still reaching the objective of keeping the place clean as a whistle which is the important thing.
I'll admit that I was a bit dubious when I first read the stickied thread, wondering if they were making a one-sided circle jerk forum.
After reading this thread, the new forum shows promise. I don't know if I would ever want to or even be allowed to post there, but hopefully it will make for very educational reading.
:thumbsup:
And the problem with one-sided circle jerks
Yes, the intention is to make the new forum viewable to all, including those without posting ability in that forum. -DrPizza
Excellent!Yes, the intention is to make the new forum viewable to all, including those without posting ability in that forum. -DrPizza
you do understand that there will still be those that disagree with you?Actually, I think this is a really good idea. I've really grown tired of the loud minority here that insist on insulting everyone that disagrees with them.
you do understand that there will still be those that disagree with you?
Yet they will have to disagree within the guidelines set forth by all those Mods or admins who are involved in making those decisions...
you do understand that there will still be those that disagree with you?
Yet they will have to disagree within the guidelines set forth by all those Mods or admins who are involved in making those decisions...
actually this is not a debate and I believe we have no say in the final detauils other than to follow the rules that are forthcoming...How could anyone not understand that? It's the entire point of a debate.
I hope this endeavor goes well. I find the topics discussed in P&N to be very interesting, but it grows tiresome to read through all of the trolling in order to find the real discussion. A big thumbs up to it being viewable by all, I feel like this is critical for its long term success, and may even help clean up the regular P&N a little bit.
Interesting side note, I decided to read through some of my post history to get a feel for whether I'd be accepted in to this prestigious club (not that it matters much, I rarely post at all, and extremely rarely do I post in P&N), and I was a little surprised. I know I can be rude sometimes, but re-reading some of the threads I've posted in, I couldn't help but feel I was (extremely) unnecessarily hostile on a few occasions.
Note that it is generally acceptable to make negative comments about public figures where relevant, but keep them constructive. For example: "Barack Obama is a hypocrite for continuing to use drone strikes" as opposed to "Barack Obama is a secret Muslim who hates America".