New poll shows Hillary Clinton more unpopular than Trump, even less favorable after election loss

[UNCjigga]

Wow, people hate them some Hillary. And not just the Trump voters:

The Bloomberg poll demonstrates that more than one-fifth of Clinton supporters say they now have an unfavorable view of her. Based on follow-up interviews with poll participants, many Clinton voters expressed that their negative feelings were not simply due to her losing but were about the Democratic party’s positioning for the future.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-unpopular-polling
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-popularity-poll_us_596e5bc5e4b0000eb1967c73

I figured with all the negative news about the Trumps, I'd throw some folks a bone and give them a legitimate reason to discuss (read: bash) Hillary. I know I'm not supposed to call people out, but this isn't a personal attack--I haven't seen rofldude post in some time and I'm concerned for his safety.

For those of us who hope to see Democrats take back at least one chamber of Congress in 2018, this should be extremely troubling. It's one thing to galvanize "resistance" to Trump and his agenda, but we still need to stand for something at the same time. Affordable health care and prescription drugs, fair tax reforms, net neutrality, protecting federal lands, bringing science back into executive agencies, those are all available for the taking. I'd hate to ignore this data and go into 2018, lose another round of elections, and then have another 2 years of finger-pointing to figure out the issue. Russia can fool us once, but not twice!

 

[Jaskalas]

For those of us who hope to see Democrats take back at least one chamber of Congress in 2018, this should be extremely troubling. It's one thing to galvanize "resistance" to Trump and his agenda, but we still need to stand for something at the same time.

That has been my message since the election. The future belongs to those who reach the American voters. It's time for a new deal.

 

[woolfe9998]

She lost the election to Donald Trump. Many people on the left are not happy about that. Combine those people with the entire political right who already hated her, and you're going to see some big disapproval numbers.

 

[outriding]

Fake news..

/Trump

 

[Commodus]

I don't think the issue was so much Clinton herself as the fact that the DNC treated her presidency as inevitable. You never treat a political outcome as inevitable (or really, most things in life). There wasn't exactly an abundance of candidates in 2016, but they should've made Clinton fight for the nomination and the presidency rather than making it seem like she already had it in the bag.

And that sense of inevitability has really hurt her both during and after the election. She's practically the pinnacle of virtue compared to Trump, but that doesn't matter much to people who treat her as a kind of American aristocrat who was denied her throne.

Me, I'm hoping that we can either have Biden run (yeah yeah, establishment, but he's charismatic and smart) or else find someone who has a whiff of Obama's combination of charm, intelligence and compassion... preferably with a slightly more liberal bent.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wasn't there another poll recently that showed Nancy Pelosi was less favorable than Trump? While deserved or undeserved (topic for another thread--right wing media has perfected attacks on Democrats) there are certainly a few Democrats who seem to be toxic to voters.

Jaskalas, you say the future belongs to those who reach the American voters--does that include reach via dog-whistling to voters based on unjustified fear? Certainly, the GOP under Trump was able to pull together a winning electoral college map, but how are their policies working out thus far?

 

[woolfe9998]

Wasn't there another poll recently that showed Nancy Pelosi was less favorable than Trump? While deserved or undeserved (topic for another thread--right wing media has perfected attacks on Democrats) there are certainly a few Democrats who seem to be toxic to voters.

Jaskalas, you say the future belongs to those who reach the American voters--does that include reach via dog-whistling to voters based on unjustified fear? Certainly, the GOP under Trump was able to pull together a winning electoral college map, but how are their policies working out thus far?

"A few democrats." Try this: certain democrats, particularly the females, have been repeatedly character assassinated by the right for decades now. If you repeat false propaganda over and over again, it eventually starts to rub off.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow, people hate them some Hillary. And not just the Trump voters:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-unpopular-polling
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-popularity-poll_us_596e5bc5e4b0000eb1967c73

I figured with all the negative news about the Trumps, I'd throw some folks a bone and give them a legitimate reason to discuss (read: bash) Hillary. I know I'm not supposed to call people out, but this isn't a personal attack--I haven't seen rofldude post in some time and I'm concerned for his safety.

For those of us who hope to see Democrats take back at least one chamber of Congress in 2018, this should be extremely troubling. It's one thing to galvanize "resistance" to Trump and his agenda, but we still need to stand for something at the same time. Affordable health care and prescription drugs, fair tax reforms, net neutrality, protecting federal lands, bringing science back into executive agencies, those are all available for the taking. I'd hate to ignore this data and go into 2018, lose another round of elections, and then have another 2 years of finger-pointing to figure out the issue. Russia can fool us once, but not twice!

This is a silly poll. People disapprove of someone after they lose an election, it is not at all surprising that she's seen a decline in popularity. I bet if you looked at approval ratings for McCain and Romney you would see similar declines.

 

[Bitek]

Loser stink does that to you.

She was never a great candidate. I would have much preferred Obama 3rd term, Biden, thena host of others.

All the 2016 D candidates sucked. I appreciate some of the issues Bernie raised, but I was not all in on his far left socialism and saw enough weird stories and statements in his past to have grave doubts that he could withstand GE scrutiny.

How different 2016 would have looked if the Ds had 17 candidates to choose from.

 

[Jaskalas]

Jaskalas, you say the future belongs to those who reach the American voters--does that include reach via dog-whistling to voters based on unjustified fear? Certainly, the GOP under Trump was able to pull together a winning electoral college map, but how are their policies working out thus far?

Trump's failed policies will only exasperate people's fears. A new deal is what will inspire coal workers et al, to hope that you will provide them a better future. Democrats need to pick up the pieces of a broken America.

 

[dank69]

Trump's failed policies will only exasperate people's fears. A new deal is what will inspire coal workers et al, to hope that you will provide them a better future. Democrats need to pick up the pieces of a broken America.

Nope. Fuck you. You conservatives can try to pick up the pieces. I'll just laugh as you fumble around and fuck shit up worse and worse each year.

 

[woolfe9998]

This is a silly poll. People disapprove of someone after they lose an election, it is not at all surprising that she's seen a decline in popularity. I bet if you looked at approval ratings for McCain and Romney you would see similar declines.

I would argue that the stigma of losing is even greater in this case because of who she lost to. That and the pre-existing hate from some Bernie supporters is causing more than the usual amount of backlash against her from the left.

 

[Bitek]

Trump's failed policies will only exasperate people's fears. A new deal is what will inspire coal workers et al, to hope that you will provide them a better future. Democrats need to pick up the pieces of a broken America.

Ds are competent at governing, but are unskilled at winning elections.

Rs are masters at winning elections and taking power, but are unbridled failures at governing, in part due to the fantasies they spin to win elections.

I agree Ds need to figure out how to appeal to a broader electorate without sacrificing principals.
Their policies as-is are better for all these areas, but need the people to believe that and be convincing that their priorities are aligned.

 

[Bitek]

I would argue that the stigma of losing is even greater in this case because of who she lost to. That and the pre-existing hate from some Bernie supporters is causing more than the usual amount of backlash against her from the left.

Absolutely. She was the last line of defence against this horror and she failed.

It's not all fair, but the leader takes the blame.

The worse Trump gets, the more consequential her failure becomes.

 

[Blackjack200]

I would argue that the stigma of losing is even greater in this case because of who she lost to. That and the pre-existing hate from some Bernie supporters is causing more than the usual amount of backlash against her from the left.

This "Stigma of Losing" stuff is nonsense. What has she done since November 8? Nothing but remind people over and over why she lost to a historically unpopular opponent. Bernie supporters never approved of her to begin with, so that's not a backlash.

 

[nakedfrog]

If she couldn't win against Trump, who can she win against?

 

[Indus]

I voted for her as the lesser of two evils but do I like her?

Fuck no.

 

[SharpHawk]

If she couldn't win against Trump, who can she win against?

Bernie Sanders

 

[Moonbeam]

People hate Clinton because they hate themselves. Every liberal with a liberal brain defect knew that she was infinitely superior to Trump, the manifestation of pure egotistical ignorance and the inevitable unconscious blind need to express that as ontempt for a huge portion of the American people who responded as people subjected to contempt are won't to do with a hardy and savage fuck you , your arrogant assholes.

How many elections do liberals have to lose to figure out they are superior only in their own minds but not at the poles.

All this is the result of feeling inferior and needing to express it as arrogant supeority. Too bad liberals are so superior to the average voting slub they have to drive him to vote for the opposition. Maybe if liberals ran somebody with average human compassion or showed some of it, they might win. Liberals are lame at message. They know better but lose. That's what their knowing better is worth.

 

[woolfe9998]

This "Stigma of Losing" stuff is nonsense. What has she done since November 8? Nothing but remind people over and over why she lost to a historically unpopular opponent. Bernie supporters never approved of her to begin with, so that's not a backlash.

On second thought, I agree with you about her not being a victim of the stigma of losing. I also disagree that her post-election behavior has damaged her approvals. Her approval were low 40's during the campaign. This one poll has her at 39, which is all within the margin of error. She's probably about the same as she was on election day. Also, the articles conclusion that she is less popular than Trump is ridiculous. If we're going to base everything off cherry picked polls, then let's compare this to Trump's 36% approval in the recent ABC poll.

 

[Indus]

Bernie Sanders

Only because it was rigged.

I was an independent and couldn't vote in the primary for my candidate due to stupid rules.. that if you want to change your affiliation, it won't take effect for 4 years.

 

[HomerJS]

Me, I'm hoping that we can either have Biden run (yeah yeah, establishment, but he's charismatic and smart) or else find someone who has a whiff of Obama's combination of charm, intelligence and compassion... preferably with a slightly more liberal bent.

And someone with the smart ass wit to throw bullshit back in Republicans faces. Stand up comics have this skill

Remember during the debates when Russian hacking was brought up and Trump said it could have been some 400lb guy in his bed. Hillary should have turned to Trump and said, "Donald, you hacked the Democrats?!"

BTW - I voted for her because I knew Trump would be a disaster and his pandering to racists. I don't really like Hillary either and said so during the election.

 

[Atreus21]

Wow, people hate them some Hillary. And not just the Trump voters:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-unpopular-polling
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-popularity-poll_us_596e5bc5e4b0000eb1967c73

I figured with all the negative news about the Trumps, I'd throw some folks a bone and give them a legitimate reason to discuss (read: bash) Hillary. I know I'm not supposed to call people out, but this isn't a personal attack--I haven't seen rofldude post in some time and I'm concerned for his safety.

For those of us who hope to see Democrats take back at least one chamber of Congress in 2018, this should be extremely troubling. It's one thing to galvanize "resistance" to Trump and his agenda, but we still need to stand for something at the same time. Affordable health care and prescription drugs, fair tax reforms, net neutrality, protecting federal lands, bringing science back into executive agencies, those are all available for the taking. I'd hate to ignore this data and go into 2018, lose another round of elections, and then have another 2 years of finger-pointing to figure out the issue. Russia can fool us once, but not twice!

I think the less visible Hillary is, the better Democrat prospects are.

Who are you guys gonna put up to bat in 2020?

 

[ivwshane]

Yet another poll that shows Americans are really fucking stupid people. I like how every negative comment about her is actually personified and magnified by trump.

Aristocrat? The Clinton's were self made and made most of their money after politics. Trump was born rich and actively used his money to get favors specifically to enrich himself.
The presidency was inevitable? I only remember one candidate claiming that if he ran that he would win.
Corrupt? I'm only aware of one candidate who had to shut down their charity because it wasn't valid and who used it illegally (I could create a page worth of shady shit this guy has done).
Wasn't compassionate enough? I'm aware of only one candidate whose life's work was helping children and women and who had policies to address the issues that arised from policies they supported in the past (coal miners, "super predators"). Only one candidate has a history of screwing people over including little girls.

Hillary hate is a manifestation of a disease that's been plaguing American politics for decades.

Americans will get the government they deserve and will suffer from the consequences.

Winning!

 

[Jaskalas]

Nope. Fuck you. You conservatives can try to pick up the pieces. I'll just laugh as you fumble around and fuck shit up worse and worse each year.

"Fuck you". Yeah, that's a message you can sell to voters.

What the hell are you even doing in this topic, or in this forum? Your hateful rhetoric shows disregard, maybe even contempt for the political process, and we know what remains when that is abandoned. To top it all off, this is your direct reply to a progressive calling for a New Deal to push "hard left". There is more than one poster here who ignorantly flails around attacking friend and foe alike. Is this hot mess the sort of thing you let Trump make of you?