Why?I don't hate them, I just can't care about them more than they care about themselves.
OK, OK,, I guess I get the purpose of that answer, so I won't ask say at what percent efficiency over caring that would be because I never thought about caring in terms of efficiency. Caring it seems to me is a virtue that can never be exhausted. I have discovered that there are times when I thought I cared or could care but didn't or couldn't because my assumptions about what caring is were off.Because it's inefficient.
OK, OK,, I guess I get the purpose of that answer, so I won't ask say at what percent efficiency over caring that would be because I never thought about caring in terms of efficiency. Caring it seems to me is a virtue that can never be exhausted. I have discovered that there are times when I thought I cared or could care but didn't or couldn't because my assumptions about what caring is were off.
I just indicated that I am not an ideal, but this was never about a competition or me or how my point of view is better, more caring etc. I believe that self understanding is to be found in the discovery of the unconscious assumptions we make that support our world view irrationally. I asked you why you don't care and you gave me an answer I felt was more of the same, an assumption that caring is about efficiency. Now it has become about how typical it is or if I care in such situations. Meanwhile, in my opinion, the unconscious nature of your assumptions are eluding you, in my opinion. That's OK by me. It is where I think I would want to look if I were you, but I'm not you. I think that in dealing with conservatives you should be quite familiar with the process. If you don't care about them you can be very offended they act like that but if you cared you might be sympathetic to when you also might be like them. That is one reason why, regardless of my personal failings, I would hope be able to care.Do you typically care about things that don't care about you or themselves other than children and babies?
Welp, my informal, unscientific poll of ATOT P&Ners' opinion of Hillary Clinton has closed:
Net favorable - 36.5% (Bloomberg poll: 39%)
Net unfavorable - 58.7% (Bloomberg poll: 59%)
Not too far off, but I do find it funny that 3 people choosing to participate in P&N are still "Not Sure" how they feel about Hillary!
If you take the perspective of an outside observer, that just tells you how far the American people are removed from reality. You know- out in Lala land. If you're Putin, that's great, exactly what you want. If you're not, if you're the people who run Canada, Mexico or even China you'd obviously rather we get our shit together.
I don't agree with that. The poll only asked for a favorability ranking irrespective of anyone else. It does not ask to compare HRC vs DJT. Many people had an unfavorable opinion of Clinton and still voted for her.If you take the perspective of an outside observer, that just tells you how far the American people are removed from reality. You know- out in Lala land. If you're Putin, that's great, exactly what you want. If you're not, if you're the people who run Canada, Mexico or even China you'd obviously rather we get our shit together.
I don't agree with that. The poll only asked for a favorability ranking irrespective of anyone else. It does not ask to compare HRC vs DJT. Many people had an unfavorable opinion of Clinton and still voted for her.
I don't care one way or another for politicians.
But I think this past election played on the racial prejudices of many Americans of a certain background. The alt-right (which probably is sponsored by very wealthy and powerful people and interests) have been stirring up fear and hatred against Muslims, blacks, foreigners, immigrants, liberals, etc for several years now. The followers of this so-called movement are constantly fed heavy doses of fear propaganda by the many outlets - some very small and some very large (like Alex Jones and others on Youtube). This base has been growing in both their size and their message.
This movement is continuing after the election. Their enemies are still Muslims, blacks, foreigners, immigrants and basically, anything non-white.
This is a racial movement more than anything. The alt-right or whatever thing they say is just makeup. But the sad thing is that it is not genuine - that's what makes it even worse. These followers are following not even genuine people.
Just another example of a failing world.
I don't hate them, I just can't care about them more than they care about themselves.
Why?
Because it's inefficient.
Do you care when they vote? The point might be to win their vote, not dismiss it as inefficient.
You show me any person who was able to change their viewpoint, let alone their vote on a particular issue and the technique they used to do it and I'll change my tactics as well.
So far I've watched smart people use facts and logic only to go round and round and end up know where with these folks. I've seen people try and reach them on an emotional and personal level only to end in frustration. I've watched people berate and make fun of these people which at best got them to runaway. I've personally tried to shame them and at best they just ran away. I've watched people try to love them and be shown that people care about them only to then be made fun of.
So you go ahead and tell me what does work because I'm all ears.
I don't care one way or another for politicians.
But I think this past election played on the racial prejudices of many Americans of a certain background. The alt-right (which probably is sponsored by very wealthy and powerful people and interests) have been stirring up fear and hatred against Muslims, blacks, foreigners, immigrants, liberals, etc for several years now. The followers of this so-called movement are constantly fed heavy doses of fear propaganda by the many outlets - some very small and some very large (like Alex Jones and others on Youtube). This base has been growing in both their size and their message.
This movement is continuing after the election. Their enemies are still Muslims, blacks, foreigners, immigrants and basically, anything non-white.
This is a racial movement more than anything. The alt-right or whatever thing they say is just makeup. But the sad thing is that it is not genuine - that's what makes it even worse. These followers are following not even genuine people.
Just another example of a failing world.
I think if you went through Jaskalas's post history you would see he has changed his mind on a number of issues, so you're kind of talking to someone who disproves your argument.
I second this. Positive change too.I think if you went through Jaskalas's post history you would see he has changed his mind on a number of issues, so you're kind of talking to someone who disproves your argument.
I think if you went through Jaskalas's post history you would see he has changed his mind on a number of issues, so you're kind of talking to someone who disproves your argument.
I think if you went through Jaskalas's post history you would see he has changed his mind on a number of issues, so you're kind of talking to someone who disproves your argument.
So you go ahead and tell me what does work because I'm all ears.
Not at all. I've asked jakalas about his "transformation" and it wasn't from anything anyone on the other side did or said that caused him to reevaluate his thoughts on various issues. What did it was someone from his side of the isle who he respected who pointed out some glaring issues with policies they supported. That led him to start questioning his beliefs.
You might admit there was a lot wrong with the Iraq war. Wasn't hard for someone on my side of the firewall to poke holes at it. That lead to more independence but something far more transformational came directly from Robert Reich who I never would have identified with before. There are hard truths out there, people just have to stand strong to help point the way when a person stumbles upon them.
lol Or in other words, people who don't believe exactly as you believe aren't really people at all, eh?What I see is a person that simply proclaims "I don't understand why..." when an hard issue occurs - re the Trump transgender ban. Or finds someway to excuse or mute it. Over and over again.... in order to pursue some idea of a greater good - however never mindful of the damage left in its wake and with progress, isn't clean, isn't easy... People get hurt. "whu...whu... I don't understand why!?!?"
Feigned ignorance is not a virue.
lol Or in other words, people who don't believe exactly as you believe aren't really people at all, eh?
Jaskalas is much more liberal than I, but he (or she, I dunno) is also one of the forum members I most respect. Because most of these issues ARE hard, and anyone who thinks they are easy isn't actually thinking.
lol Or in other words, people who don't believe exactly as you believe aren't really people at all, eh?
Jaskalas is much more liberal than I, but he (or she, I dunno) is also one of the forum members I most respect. Because most of these issues ARE hard, and anyone who thinks they are easy isn't actually thinking.