Bullshit. Bernie lost by nearly 4M votes, roughly 55%-43%, a 12 point spread.
You're gut hooked by the concern trolls of Mother Russia.
Only because it was rigged.
I was an independent and couldn't vote in the primary for my candidate due to stupid rules.. that if you want to change your affiliation, it won't take effect for 4 years.
Yet another poll that shows Americans are really fucking stupid people. I like how every negative comment about her is actually personified and magnified by trump.
Aristocrat? The Clinton's were self made and made most of their money after politics. Trump was born rich and actively used his money to get favors specifically to enrich himself.
The presidency was inevitable? I only remember one candidate claiming that if he ran that he would win.
Corrupt? I'm only aware of one candidate who had to shut down their charity because it wasn't valid and who used it illegally (I could create a page worth of shady shit this guy has done).
Wasn't compassionate enough? I'm aware of only one candidate whose life's work was helping children and women and who had policies to address the issues that arised from policies they supported in the past (coal miners, "super predators"). Only one candidate has a history of screwing people over including little girls.
Hillary hate is a manifestation of a disease that's been plaguing American politics for decades.
Americans will get the government they deserve and will suffer from the consequences.
Winning!
Thanks for your predictable encouragement.I think the less visible Hillary is, the better Democrat prospects are.
Who are you guys gonna put up to bat in 2020?
People dislike (at least around me) Clinton because she's a corporate Democrat. She sits middle to middle right on most issues, but leans left on social issues. Her and Bill both had their part to play in the death of traditional liberal agenda.
2018 is going to go exactly like 2016 unless the DNC steps up and starts pushing a platform that appeals to the 30 and under crowd. This is the demographic that came out in record numbers and carried Obama in 2008, and the group that was largely carrying Bernie in the primaries. The "but Russia" and personal attacks on Trump aren't going to motivate anyone my age and under to go to the polls, we want universal health care, more help with student loans, tuition drops, and reduced military involvement in global issues. The DNC alienated all of the Bernie voter base with the behind the scenes string pulling and a lot of them have lost faith that the Democrats are willing or able to put forward a platform that will actually change anything. To be honest there aren't a lot of candidates out there that would motivate this younger crowd. Being from Texas the Castro twins are what most of us down here expect to be big players in the Democratic party after they have a bit more experience (Julian probably will run for governor against Abbott and Joaquin will use his experience in congress) to catapult them to the national spotlight. There are of course a few other faces that could be successful but they need to start introducing them to the public now, heading into 2018 with a strong future, talking about stealing either the senate or house back, followed by The White House in 2020.
Essentially, whoever has the balls to come out with a modern era New Deal that legitimately improves the lives of citizens will probably win in a landslide, but I don't really have the faith in anyone in the modern political theater to be brave enough to do it.
Thanks for your predictable encouragement.
People dislike (at least around me) Clinton because she's a corporate Democrat. She sits middle to middle right on most issues, but leans left on social issues. Her and Bill both had their part to play in the death of traditional liberal agenda.
2018 is going to go exactly like 2016 unless the DNC steps up and starts pushing a platform that appeals to the 30 and under crowd. This is the demographic that came out in record numbers and carried Obama in 2008, and the group that was largely carrying Bernie in the primaries. The "but Russia" and personal attacks on Trump aren't going to motivate anyone my age and under to go to the polls, we want universal health care, more help with student loans, tuition drops, and reduced military involvement in global issues. The DNC alienated all of the Bernie voter base with the behind the scenes string pulling and a lot of them have lost faith that the Democrats are willing or able to put forward a platform that will actually change anything. To be honest there aren't a lot of candidates out there that would motivate this younger crowd. Being from Texas the Castro twins are what most of us down here expect to be big players in the Democratic party after they have a bit more experience (Julian probably will run for governor against Abbott and Joaquin will use his experience in congress) to catapult them to the national spotlight. There are of course a few other faces that could be successful but they need to start introducing them to the public now, heading into 2018 with a strong future, talking about stealing either the senate or house back, followed by The White House in 2020.
Essentially, whoever has the balls to come out with a modern era New Deal that legitimately improves the lives of citizens will probably win in a landslide, but I don't really have the faith in anyone in the modern political theater to be brave enough to do it.
I'm being honest. I'm curious to know who you guys want to run.
Only because it was rigged.
I was an independent and couldn't vote in the primary for my candidate due to stupid rules.. that if you want to change your affiliation, it won't take effect for 4 years.
If you look at actual empirical analysis of Clinton's economic record you will she she was one of the more liberal senators during her time. The idea that she's middle to middle right is simply false by every objective measure I am aware of. If you're interested to see how she stacks up I would look up her DW-NOMINATE score as compared to the median Democrat. You'll probably be amazed at just how liberal she really was. It's a common myth that she was somehow a centrist or even conservative figure.
Bullshit. Bernie lost by nearly 4M votes, roughly 55%-43%, a 12 point spread.
You're gut hooked by the concern trolls of Mother Russia.
It probably has to do with her willingness to work across party lines. In today's political climate, compromise and willingness to work with the "other team" are viewed as negatives.
Its no wonder that the pro Bernie crowd support one of the most partisan senators.
I don't care about trolls or propaganda.
What I care is I couldn't change from independent to democrat to make a difference.
And I'm not making this up. But as long as the dumbocrats keep voting for corporate bought democrats.. they'll keep losing.
It probably has to do with her willingness to work across party lines. In today's political climate, compromise and willingness to work with the "other team" are viewed as negatives.
Its no wonder that the pro Bernie crowd support one of the most partisan senators.
She needs to keep a low profile and stay out of policy. These parties need to quit with the familial and dynastic BS.I could care less, that election is over and she won't run again worrying about Hillary's popularity is pointless navel gazing at this point.
We liberals bailed you out in 2008 and were rewarded with nothing but contempt. I repeat: fuck you. You do not deserve to be rescued again. America does not deserve to be rescued again. I do not wish to gain votes. I want all Democrats to abandon the political process and let the country fester in its own shit for a few decades."Fuck you". Yeah, that's a message you can sell to voters.
What the hell are you even doing in this topic, or in this forum? Your hateful rhetoric shows disregard, maybe even contempt for the political process, and we know what remains when that is abandoned. To top it all off, this is your direct reply to a progressive calling for a New Deal to push "hard left". There is more than one poster here who ignorantly flails around attacking friend and foe alike. Is this hot mess the sort of thing you let Trump make of you?
So, since this is your evidence that the primary was rigged for Hillary I assume that this was changed right before this primary? I also assume that you have knowledge of the number of independents that would have voted for Bernie and swayed a 12 point lead if they could?
The only thing that would have changed with the old champion of the Soviet Union, Fidel Castro and Chavez is that after his past had been shone a light on he would not only have lost the election, he would have lost the popular vote too.
The debate should really be shifting into how can we bridge the ideological divide.
I don't care about trolls or propaganda.
What I care is I couldn't change from independent to democrat to make a difference.
And I'm not making this up. But as long as the dumbocrats keep voting for corporate bought democrats.. they'll keep losing.
Never could stand her since she didn't walk out on Bill Clinton. That's never changed and I would have voted for whatever Republican ran against her except Trump.
That's what you believe. But 84 million millenials are voting eligible next time around. What do they care about? By 70:30 margin they care about non-expensive education, healthcare for all and livable wages. Hildabeast didn't give them that. Neither does Trump or any Republican at the moment.
There's a reason Obama's turnout was higher than ever before.
Give them incentive and they will show up.
I think the democrats failing to replace a single leader demonstrates that they have learned nothing. Pelosi needs to hand the reigns to a younger up and coming leader that actually inspires people.