New Pope and celibacy

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and i am not denying any past improprieties committed by them, but i do think they are cleaning up their act. also, i am sick of the sack riders who think this type of thing only happened with Catholic priests. there are pedophiles all over in society.

I find it amusing that you used the phrase "sack riders" in a discussion about pedophilic Catholic Priests.

- M4H

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and i am not denying any past improprieties committed by them, but i do think they are cleaning up their act. also, i am sick of the sack riders who think this type of thing only happened with Catholic priests. there are pedophiles all over in society.

I find it amusing that you used the phrase "sack riders" in a discussion about pedophilic Catholic Priests.

- M4H

the shoe fit. i won't deny.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Only because covering it up stopped working.

predictable.
yeh, as soon as i saw you posted i figured :roll:

Can you call me a wife beater so you can get your hissy fit over with? I figure the sooner you get rolling on it the sooner you'll shut up about it.

you are so e-tough :roll:

+1 points for switching to a new canned response.

Its true that other religions have their problems as well, but that doesn't mean the catholic church is going to get some sort of get out of jail free card on this one. They set themselves up as a moral beacon, and then try to cover up crimes against children, which are probably the most heinous out there. They deserve all the flack they get.

and i am not denying any past improprieties committed by them, but i do think they are cleaning up their act. also, i am sick of the sack riders who think this type of thing only happened with Catholic priests. there are pedophiles all over in society.

Its good that they're trying to clean up their act, but that doesn't some how restore them to their former glory. They are, and forever will be tarnished by this, just like a 'regular' pedophile will never outrun his past.

Pedophiles are all over society, but its particularly dispicable when a person in a position of power and trust abuses it to do something like this. And its even worse when those above them effectively condone it by covering it up. Same thing if a police officer commits this kind of crime and then the chief just covers it up. Those types of people are those we go to when we're vulnerable, for help. We immediately give them more trust because of their status.

If they wish to be leaders of morality, they must all be examples of that morality. It will take more than a few months or years for everyone to forget.

"Everyone else does it" is not an acceptable excuse.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I foresee nothing good happening in this thread.

/:beer:
/lawnchair

- M4H

:BBQ;

On my boat? I'll fix some salmon steaks over the flames of this thread.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Only because covering it up stopped working.

predictable.
yeh, as soon as i saw you posted i figured :roll:

Can you call me a wife beater so you can get your hissy fit over with? I figure the sooner you get rolling on it the sooner you'll shut up about it.

you are so e-tough :roll:

+1 points for switching to a new canned response.

Its true that other religions have their problems as well, but that doesn't mean the catholic church is going to get some sort of get out of jail free card on this one. They set themselves up as a moral beacon, and then try to cover up crimes against children, which are probably the most heinous out there. They deserve all the flack they get.

and i am not denying any past improprieties committed by them, but i do think they are cleaning up their act. also, i am sick of the sack riders who think this type of thing only happened with Catholic priests. there are pedophiles all over in society.

Its good that they're trying to clean up their act, but that doesn't some how restore them to their former glory. They are, and forever will be tarnished by this, just like a 'regular' pedophile will never outrun his past.

Pedophiles are all over society, but its particularly dispicable when a person in a position of power and trust abuses it to do something like this. And its even worse when those above them effectively condone it by covering it up. Same thing if a police officer commits this kind of crime and then the chief just covers it up. Those types of people are those we go to when we're vulnerable, for help. We immediately give them more trust because of their status.

If they wish to be leaders of morality, they must all be examples of that morality. It will take more than a few months or years for everyone to forget.

"Everyone else does it" is not an acceptable excuse.

you can get off your soapbox now.
you haven't said anything we don't already know.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Mosh, with all respect, I think the church's response has been tepid at best. We're talking about egregious abuse of children by those typically placed in a position of highest trust by families. Instead of a scorched-earth policy for the abusers, we saw relatively weak punishment meted out or outright concealment of the abusers in some cases. These people are criminals of the highest order and need to be treated accordingly.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Mosh, with all respect, I think the church's response has been tepid at best. We're talking about egregious abuse of children by those typically placed in a position of highest trust by families. Instead of a scorched-earth policy for the abusers, we saw relatively weak punishment meted out or outright concealment of the abusers in some cases. These people are criminals of the highest order and need to be treated accordingly.

i appreciate your response, because it was respectful, unlike some posters here.

it's hard being Catholic. i feel shame being associated with this whole scandal, and i personally have done nothing wrong. i do still feel they are moving in the right direction to identify these awful issues and rectify them.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I foresee nothing good happening in this thread.

/:beer:
/lawnchair

- M4H

:BBQ;

On my boat? I'll fix some salmon steaks over the flames of this thread.

That would be awesome.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

While this is true, it's still way too soon for trust to be restored in the catholic priest, IMO.

Because priests are like a race of pedophiles, right? :roll:

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I foresee nothing good happening in this thread.

/:beer:
/lawnchair

- M4H

:BBQ;

On my boat? I'll fix some salmon steaks over the flames of this thread.

That would be awesome.

Can I come?

 

[Jzero]

Well, they have to do SOMETHING to get some fresh blood into the clergy. Maybe it's working in other countries, but in the US it seems like there is a surplus of crotchety old grouches with their heads in the sand who are more interested in being judgemental than promoting spiritual well-being and loving the church instead of crawling back to it after it abuses you like a battered housewife.

The celibacy rule isn't going to be the silver bullet, but it will help. Perhaps celibacy should still be required for higher ranks, though.

In general, Catholocism's stances on sexuality need to be reworked.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Only because covering it up stopped working.

predictable.
yeh, as soon as i saw you posted i figured :roll:

newflash: this happens in other religious sectors, not just Catholicism

televangelist baptists = sex with prostitutes and mistresses

that's about the only other religion I can think of with a sordid sexual past, other than Muhammed and the 12 y/o.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, they have to do SOMETHING to get some fresh blood into the clergy. Maybe it's working in other countries, but in the US it seems like there is a surplus of crotchety old grouches with their heads in the sand who are more interested in being judgemental than promoting spiritual well-being and loving the church instead of crawling back to it after it abuses you like a battered housewife.

The celibacy rule isn't going to be the silver bullet, but it will help. Perhaps celibacy should still be required for higher ranks, though.

In general, Catholocism's stances on sexuality need to be reworked.

i think you may see women priests before the vow of celibacy is eliminated.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

No. The rules are there. If you can't follow them find another religion.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I foresee nothing good happening in this thread.

/:beer:
/lawnchair

- M4H

:BBQ;

On my boat? I'll fix some salmon steaks over the flames of this thread.

That would be awesome.

Can I come?

Of course. :thumbsup:

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i think you may see women priests before the vow of celibacy is eliminated.

That would be another step in bringing the church back to life.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Mosh, with all respect, I think the church's response has been tepid at best. We're talking about egregious abuse of children by those typically placed in a position of highest trust by families. Instead of a scorched-earth policy for the abusers, we saw relatively weak punishment meted out or outright concealment of the abusers in some cases. These people are criminals of the highest order and need to be treated accordingly.

i appreciate your response, because it was respectful, unlike some posters here.

it's hard being Catholic. i feel shame being associated with this whole scandal, and i personally have done nothing wrong. i do still feel they are moving in the right direction to identify these awful issues and rectify them.

In some sense, yes. But people will think what they want. Just ignore them

<----- Catholic, too

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Fausto
They need to change the "We'll look the other way and/or help you cover your tracks if you choose to diddle little boys" rule first.

:thumbsdown:

i'm surprised at your comment. they have been making ammends and realizing past errors.

Mosh, with all respect, I think the church's response has been tepid at best. We're talking about egregious abuse of children by those typically placed in a position of highest trust by families. Instead of a scorched-earth policy for the abusers, we saw relatively weak punishment meted out or outright concealment of the abusers in some cases. These people are criminals of the highest order and need to be treated accordingly.

i appreciate your response, because it was respectful, unlike some posters here.

it's hard being Catholic. i feel shame being associated with this whole scandal, and i personally have done nothing wrong. i do still feel they are moving in the right direction to identify these awful issues and rectify them.

In some sense, yes. But people will think what they want. Just ignore them

<----- Catholic, too

thanks

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i think you may see women priests before the vow of celibacy is eliminated.

That would be another step in bringing the church back to life.

The Church needs to do something. There has been a lack of good people who desire to do the job and live the life. I'd like to see female priests, and I am a little undecided on allowing them to get married.

Pedophilia, IMO, is not the result of Priests being single. Alcoholism, has been a major one though.

 

[spidey07]

Well if the Giant Spider says its OK and galgamac agrees it would be changed.

 

[Ynog]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, they have to do SOMETHING to get some fresh blood into the clergy. Maybe it's working in other countries, but in the US it seems like there is a surplus of crotchety old grouches with their heads in the sand who are more interested in being judgemental than promoting spiritual well-being and loving the church instead of crawling back to it after it abuses you like a battered housewife.

The celibacy rule isn't going to be the silver bullet, but it will help. Perhaps celibacy should still be required for higher ranks, though.

In general, Catholocism's stances on sexuality need to be reworked.

i think you may see women priests before the vow of celibacy is eliminated.

Personally, I'm not sure which you will see eliminated first. But even recently, the Catholic Church has nullifed/denied any woman has been ordained as a priest. It has excommunicated any memeber of the church who attempts to/or does ordain a woman, and will excommunicate any woman, who claims to and refuses to renounce that ordination.

Despite the pleas to allow women to become priests, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Many in the church already believe that there is a place for women in it. And being a priest isn't part of it.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Ynog

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, they have to do SOMETHING to get some fresh blood into the clergy. Maybe it's working in other countries, but in the US it seems like there is a surplus of crotchety old grouches with their heads in the sand who are more interested in being judgemental than promoting spiritual well-being and loving the church instead of crawling back to it after it abuses you like a battered housewife.

The celibacy rule isn't going to be the silver bullet, but it will help. Perhaps celibacy should still be required for higher ranks, though.

In general, Catholocism's stances on sexuality need to be reworked.

i think you may see women priests before the vow of celibacy is eliminated.

Personally, I'm not sure which you will see eliminated first. But even recently, the Catholic Church has nullifed/denied any woman has been ordained as a priest. It has excommunicated any memeber of the church who attempts to/or does ordain a woman, and will excommunicate any woman, who claims to and refuses to renounce that ordination.

Despite the pleas to allow women to become priests, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Many in the church already believe that there is a place for women in it. And being a priest isn't part of it.

Another reason most organized religion is stupid.

 

[meltdown75]

it could be a time of change for the Catholic church, we will see. perhaps not with respect to the issue at hand here, but in other areas.

 

[Brutuskend]

BTW: Do you happen to know when and HOW the Pope originally came by so much power?

During the days of Attila the Hun the Pope was sent to negotiate a peace settlement with Attila. The Pope (and a LARGE amount of GOLD) kept Attila from sacking Rome. Shortly afterwords, Attila died, and the Pope let it be thought that he, and the power of god, was responsible. Up to that time, there were actually several Popes with NONE welding ultimate power over the church and it's people. After that, the Pope in Rome became the last word in the Catholic church.

 

[Spike]

I am not sure on the whole celibacy thing as every pastor I have had has been married. I don't consider it a bad thing to be married and a pastor, in my case all of the pastors have been better at addressing maritial concerns due to their own experience.

On the other hand, no wife means these priests have almost zero outside concerns besides the church and God, it allows them to really concentrate and listen, which IMO is the most important part of prayer and our walk with God. Too often we do all the talking which just gets in the way.

I have always been a "protestant" church attender and believer (yes, there is a difference between attender and believer) but occasionally go to a mass with my father-in-law.

-spike