NEW PRICE GTX 970 : can RX 480 still beat it?

[sandorski]

The 970 is a far lesser card. Between the Memory fiasco and it's poor DX12 capability it should be considered EOL and DOA.

 

[Silverforce11]

The 970 is a far lesser card. Between the Memory fiasco and it's poor DX12 capability it should be considered EOL and DOA.

It was good for it's time but that time is over.

1060 coming soon is the final nail in it's coffin.

ATM, there's only two good GPU options for the price: 1070 or RX 480.

 

[sandorski]

It was good for it's time but that time is over.

1060 coming soon is the final nail in it's coffin.

ATM, there's only two good GPU options for the price: 1070 or RX 480.

I would argue that the 970 wasn't even good for it's time, it was a facade. I also think the 1060 3gb, even if initially faster than the 480, is going to be a poor choice as little as a year from release. Both were designed for quick obsolescence.

 

[SPBHM]

I would argue that the 970 wasn't even good for it's time, it was a facade. I also think the 1060 3gb, even if initially faster than the 480, is going to be a poor choice as little as a year from release. Both were designed for quick obsolescence.

970 was great at launch
780+ performance for a lot less money
290X performance for 100W+ less.

it's no surprise it's probably the best selling $300+ card ever (going by the high steam numbers)

 

[sandorski]

970 was great at launch
780+ performance for a lot less money
290X performance for 100W+ less.

it's no surprise it's probably the best selling $300+ card ever (going by the high steam numbers)

It appeared so, until the Memory issue was discovered.

 

[3DVagabond]

I would argue that the 970 wasn't even good for it's time, it was a facade. I also think the 1060 3gb, even if initially faster than the 480, is going to be a poor choice as little as a year from release. Both were designed for quick obsolescence.

I'd be shocked if it doesn't lose day one in DX12 games. Never mind waiting a year.

 

[Erenhardt]

It was good for it's time but that time is over.

1060 coming soon is the final nail in it's coffin.

ATM, there's only two good GPU options for the price: 1070 or RX 480.

Hahah.. that didn't last long, did it?

gtx970 is dropping like a rock, even in 1080p:

I feel sorry for the masses that bought to this 3.5gb scam.

 

[Jaydip]

I really don't like giving purchasing advice but buying 970 is stupid atm, wait for the 1060 to launch and then make a informed decision. Please refrain from buying a 3GB version though if 6Gb is priced way higher go for the 480 8Gb.

 

[Dribble]

It appeared so, until the Memory issue was discovered.

And what did that actually cause? Nothing! Lots of talk about how it was going to ruin some games but it was never shown to have any effect.

 

[littleg]

Hahah.. that didn't last long, did it?

gtx970 is dropping like a rock, even in 1080p:

I feel sorry for the masses that bought to this 3.5gb scam.

AFAIK modern games adadpt depending on how much Vram the card reports so if it has 3GB, the game will selectively load up as much as it needs to fill that. Same for 4GB, 6GB etc.

I can see a problem if the 970 is reporting 4GB of Vram and the game is loading that much data with .5GB of it going into the slow portion. I would assume they'd do specific driver optimisations to cater for this but I think it's going to drop off further now that it's effectively EOL and priority will be going to the new architecture.

 

[David_k]

Hahah.. that didn't last long, did it?

gtx970 is dropping like a rock, even in 1080p:


I feel sorry for the masses that bought to this 3.5gb scam.

You can show DX12 results from hitman /ashe's and quantum break and say it tanks. But it is doing just fine in TR..

 

[SPBHM]

You can show DX12 results from hitman /ashe's and quantum break and say it tanks. But it is doing just fine in TR..

let's all pretend the bad results are not real, just the good ones? :thumbsup:

there is clearly something going on,

 

[David_k]

Just goes to say that the coin is 2 sided.. TBH I don't know why it "tanks" like that. if that a bug in the dx12 version or what, when I played the game on my Overclocked 970 I was mainly CPU limited in some cases with my i5 3470, just goes to say that some sites use setting X and some sites use Y that gets your different results. Also it does state that the game needs more then 4GB of VRAM for Very High textures. thought hardwarecanucks and Guru3D stated max settings so that's might not be a problem.



It just to say, that the 970 bashing lately is out of hand. yes it has its issues, so does the 480, nobody should go and by the 970 today as its too late in the generation and better to wait for aftermarket 480 (that will not kill your motherboard and may overclock or may not) or ofc wait for the rumored 1060. but this "970 sucks" , "I feel sorry for people who bought it" is getting out of hand.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hahah.. that didn't last long, did it?

gtx970 is dropping like a rock, even in 1080p:

I feel sorry for the masses that bought to this 3.5gb scam.

And this game is really poorly optimised for AMD as well. What's going to happen to the 970 when it's not a Gameworks/TWIMTBP title?

 

[zentan]

At this point gtx 970 doesn't make sense relatively to rx480 and gp106.

 

[JimmiG]

And what did that actually cause? Nothing! Lots of talk about how it was going to ruin some games but it was never shown to have any effect.

It was completely blown out of proportion. The entire GPU was designed for this memory layout from the start, it's not like Nvidia's engineers were taken by surprise. It was more of a marketing failure than a technical error.

Apparently there are many unsold GTX 970's in Europe. Many stores in Sweden have thousands in stock. Stores were too afraid to reduce the prices, because that would have broken the holy rule ("Europe shall get ripped off when buying computer hardware"). So now they're sitting on a huge, unsold inventory. Now that the RX 480 and GTX 1060 are a fact, prices are finally dropping, putting the RX 480 at a significant price premium.

 

[Magic Carpet]

The 970 is a far lesser card. Between the Memory fiasco and it's poor DX12 capability it should be considered EOL and DOA.

It was good for it's time but that time is over.

1060 coming soon is the final nail in it's coffin.

ATM, there's only two good GPU options for the price: 1070 or RX 480.

:thumbsup:

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Now that the RX 480 and GTX 1060 are a fact, prices are finally dropping, putting the RX 480 at a significant price premium.

Not yet here in NL, the cheapest 970 is 2 euro cheaper than a 480 8GB, still 48 euro more expensive than a 4GB 480, although that one is out of stock.

The 380x is also overpriced still, only 12 euro cheaper than a 4GB 480.

Retailers are probably waiting for nvidia and amd to introduce some sort of rebate or something.

 

[ZGR]

Let the GTX 970 die with some dignity. I'm surprised it sold as well as it did, especially after the 3.5GB memory partitioning was revealed as a "feature". Nobody cared. On models that OC'd well, it wasn't a terrible card at all.

Comparing the RX 480 with the GTX 970 is like comparing the GTX 570 with the Radeon 7950. Let's see how well the RX 480 ages while the GTX 970 loses support entirely.

 

[Silverforce11]

Why are you guys debating whether you need real 4GB for RotTR? Go read NV's official guide on that game which they sponsored.

Very High Textures is ONLY for cards with >4GB vram. NV admits cards with less than that stutter. It's quite clear. Stop talking about it as if it doesn't exist.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-graphics-and-performance-guide

Those with 4GB GPUs are recommended to use High as VRAM stuttering can be observed on Very High, especially when swapping between gameplay, cutscenes and cinematics, and between gameplay zone transitions.

For a smooth experience with those max-quality, 4K x 4K textures, a 6GB GPU is instead recommended. And to crank things up to 4K (3840x2160), with Very High textures and max settings, we'd recommended GeForce GTX TITAN X GPUs with 12GB of VRAM, as usage can near 10GB over prolonged sessions.

Performance: As you'd expect, adjusting Texture Quality has a minimal impact on performance, with only two frames per second separating Very High and Low.

NV's guide is actually incorrect, you can actually do 1080p Very High textures & max settings on GPUs with real 4GB vram. You don't need >4GB. But the 970 obviously has fake 4GB so it doesn't count.

Some sites will deliberately lower the texture setting to allow cards with less vram to run the benchmark.

There were a bunch of you who said 4GB may not be enough for 1080p before the RX 480 was released, trying to find faults for a $199 GPU... now you guys are saying the 3.5GB + 0.5GB (more problematic without driver optimizations) 970 is a good deal? Please.

 

[Erenhardt]

prices are finally dropping, putting the RX 480 at a significant price premium.

Well. I just checked and guess what. It is not true. 4GB 480 is still cheaper than any 970 by 20EUR.
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