New PS4.5 in the works?

[Homerboy]

i'd love to hear the thought process of whoever greenlit this as to why they thought it would be a good idea.

Well, I would guess it has A LOT to do with, if not entirely born from, the Sony VR.

 

[Lil Frier]

Well, that sounds awful. They're not even going to fix the fact they're running those dirtball Jaguar cores?

 

[sze5003]

That just means longer time to produce and release games. Not to mention the scaling and any performance issues companies will need to account for. People are always saying console games ruin PC ports. Haha now well have ps4 ports from ps4.5 so there's another thing to complain about.

 

[Tweak155]

This does sound like a bad idea...

 

[poofyhairguy]

This does sound like a bad idea...

Soon we will have a PS4.5 master race I guess.

All those people who bought a PS4 just because it was more powerful than the Xbone got screwed. Xbone has better exclusives and will be top dog in its ecosystem for longer.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It should be called the PS4Q.

 

[sze5003]

Soon we will have a PS4.5 master race I guess.

All those people who bought a PS4 just because it was more powerful than the Xbone got screwed. Xbone has better exclusives and will be top dog in its ecosystem for longer.

One of the reasons I got both systems. I am enjoying the Xbox exclusives a bit more than the ps4 to be honest. But for multiplatform games I usually prefer getting them on ps4.

 

[purbeast0]

Well, I would guess it has A LOT to do with, if not entirely born from, the Sony VR.

that makes the sony VR an even worse idea then if the existing PS4 userbase can't even use it.

i already think that psvr is going to be a massive flop. if it now "requires ps4.5 for optimal experience" i think it will even fail even harder now.

i still lol @ people thinking they are seriously going to be getting true 4k gaming out of this. it won't even be close.

 

[cmdrdredd]

That just means longer time to produce and release games. Not to mention the scaling and any performance issues companies will need to account for. People are always saying console games ruin PC ports. Haha now well have ps4 ports from ps4.5 so there's another thing to complain about.

Precisely. The devs now have 3 console power targets with xb1, and two ps4 models. Not to mention any PC plans and you are giving developers a serious migraine. I see this being a big problem for online gaming too. If one console is getting 60fps and the other only 30 that creates a huge advantage right off the bat.

 

[kapulek]

i'd love to hear the thought process of whoever greenlit this as to why they thought it would be a good idea.

The decisions were made before PS4 launch. S|A wrote about this here (paywall).

 

[zerocool84]

Soon we will have a PS4.5 master race I guess.

All those people who bought a PS4 just because it was more powerful than the Xbone got screwed. Xbone has better exclusives and will be top dog in its ecosystem for longer.

Top Dog? It's not even top right now?


I just really think this is a bad idea for either company to do this. I really hope this is all just rumor.

 

[sze5003]

Top Dog? It's not even top right now?


I just really think this is a bad idea for either company to do this. I really hope this is all just rumor.

I dunno looks like they may be heading that way anyway

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/18/ps4k-rumors/

 

[Anubis]

Soon we will have a PS4.5 master race I guess.

All those people who bought a PS4 just because it was more powerful than the Xbone got screwed. Xbone has better exclusives and will be top dog in its ecosystem for longer.

one might argue the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox by nearly 2x that the PS4 is top dog

 

[sweenish]

I don't know what part of the "will be" you guys aren't understanding.

 

[poofyhairguy]

one might argue the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox by nearly 2x that the PS4 is top dog

Within its own ecosystem (aka devices that can play Xbox One games) it is the top dog, that is what I said. Sales numbers don't matter, only one device plays Xbox One games.

My point being a big reason many people bought a PS4 instead of an Xbox One (despite the Xbox One having a better library of exclusive games) was some sort of assumption that for cross platform titles the PS4 version would be superior to the Xbox One version. Basically PS4 owners traded having a better library of games for having the console that could play the same games the Xbox One plays but at a higher resolution or with better effects or what-have-you.

But now those poor PS4.1 owners aren't even going to have that advantage anymore - the best version of the game will be for the PS4.5 that they don't own. So now they are like Xbox Owners (aka playing the inferior version of games) but without the exclusive titles that the Xbox One has. The Xbox One owner who didn't care about 900p vs 1080p won this generation, as anyone who bought an Xbox One at least knows that they will be getting the best Xbox One experience possible.

I don't think consumers are such big morons that they will confuse the systems like some do. I do think a vast majority of those tens of millions of PS4 owners are young men and young men hate when you steal their bragging rights from them.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Top Dog? It's not even top right now?

In its own ecosystem it is, unless you want to argue for a Directx 12 PC being some sort of super Xbox One.

 

[gorcorps]

Within its own ecosystem (aka devices that can play Xbox One games) it is the top dog, that is what I said.

Wait... you're saying the xbox one is best in class of consoles that can play xbox one games?

That's like saying Chrysler is the most reliable auto brand in its class (when its class is considered cars with the Chrysler logo on them)

I think it's about time to give AT up... my brain hurts from trying to comprehend the point you're trying to make

 

[poofyhairguy]

Wait... you're saying the xbox one is best in class of consoles that can play xbox one games?

Yes. Normally that wouldn't matter but Sony is looking at splitting generations now. Console generations then turn into software ecosystems in the new world order.

Sorry if I overcomplicated it. I think it is simple: some PS4 owners bought the PS4 instead of the Xbox because they assumed due to more powerful hardware they would get the best versions of games throughout this generation. Thanks to a PS4.5 (which will have even BETTER versions of games) their assumption turned out to be wrong.

 

[sze5003]

By this logic everything in its entirety is best in its class. We can apply the same logic to several things.

 

[Anubis]

also better games eco system is a matter of opinion

for me the only game im missing out on by not having a xbox is Halo

 

[poofyhairguy]

By this logic everything in its entirety is best in its class.

Not really.

For example, the Nintendo DS lite is the best way to play Gameboy Advance games. It is the best option in the Gameboy Advance ecosystem.

Soon the PS4.5 will be the best way to play PS4 games, it will be the best in the PS4 ecosystem. Same concept.

 

[gorcorps]

also better games eco system is a matter of opinion

for me the only game im missing out on by not having a xbox is Halo

No kidding. If I gave a hoot about Halo or Forza I'd need an xbox, but luckily I don't. Infamous has been the only console exclusive I've really cared about, which is both good and bad at this point. Crackdown 3 has been the only xbox exclusive this generation to make me almost jealous, so we'll see how that turns out.

 

[KentState]

Yes. Normally that wouldn't matter but Sony is looking at splitting generations now. Console generations then turn into software ecosystems in the new world order.

Sorry if I overcomplicated it. I think it is simple: some PS4 owners bought the PS4 instead of the Xbox because they assumed due to more powerful hardware they would get the best versions of games throughout this generation. Thanks to a PS4.5 (which will have even BETTER versions of games) their assumption turned out to be wrong.

Why does this even matter? A PS4 will still be marginally better from a graphics standpoint than the XB1 regardless. Somehow studios have been able to offer PC games that can adjust to hardware for decades and yet this happening on consoles seems unimaginable. Seems everyone forgot how we had 2+ years of the same exact games coming out on the PS3 and PS4 except with nicer graphics. At least this time around it's a single development suite and instruction set.

 

[swilli89]

Why does this even matter? A PS4 will still be marginally better from a graphics standpoint than the XB1 regardless. Somehow studios have been able to offer PC games that can adjust to hardware for decades and yet this happening on consoles seems unimaginable. Seems everyone forgot how we had 2+ years of the same exact games coming out on the PS3 and PS4 except with nicer graphics. At least this time around it's a single development suite and instruction set.

Exactly. Remind me never to come near the console subforum again, I haven't seen this much doom and gloom since.. ever I think.

If you bought a PS4 that promised X performance, guess what? You will continue to get X performance.

Sony is now giving consumers an option to pay more for Y performance and it will deliver, Y performance.

People hate change and always call for its failure but I promise you, this is the correct move for consoles. Developers have been targeting multiple levels of performance for years and this will add maybe 1% to switch on a few things and upscale the render output resolutions.

I highly doubt most people knew about any difference in PS4 vs XBONE GPU. I would argue most simply saw that it was $100 cheaper and that it didn't suffer from that HORRIBLE PR fiasco from E3 2013 where Microsoft shot themselves in their own foot by saying on public record that you wouldn't be able to play used games, you'd be forced to use the Kinect, and that it had to be always online to use it for even single player.

Its laughable to think the market turnout was because of a perceived "GPU Disparity".

Consoles are adapting to modern trends and Sony is definitely making the right move here; update its SoC to maintain compatibility while offering an upgrade path for those with the means to and those that want to utilize their shiny new 4k TVs.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Why does this even matter? A PS4 will still be marginally better from a graphics standpoint than the XB1 regardless. Somehow studios have been able to offer PC games that can adjust to hardware for decades and yet this happening on consoles seems unimaginable. Seems everyone forgot how we had 2+ years of the same exact games coming out on the PS3 and PS4 except with nicer graphics. At least this time around it's a single development suite and instruction set.

Each time a game launches on PC people claim that devs hold it back due to consoles. You want this to happen on the actual consoles now? Also imagine playing an online shooter where on PS4 is plays at around 30-40fps at 900p. Then imagine the new PS4 runs the same game with more details, at 1080p and 60fps. If you have the old model you are seen first because the new console can show more detail and likely draw distance and you will be shot first because the frame rates are not the same. It's an extreme example but one that could potentially happen.