New PS4.5 in the works?

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jpiniero

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Probably should have waited until 2017 like Microsoft and Nintendo and score some Polaris.

The obvious date would have been when the PSVR is released in October but not showing it at E3 probably assures that isn't going to happen.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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The obvious date would have been when the PSVR is released in October but not showing it at E3 probably assures that isn't going to happen.
Yes and no. Big issue when announcing a new console is that sales slow for the current one until the next one comes out. Microsoft or Sony don't want their current consoles to slow down since they aren't that old yet compared to previous generations. I expect them to announce a few months before release of the updated consoles, not this far in advance.
 

sze5003

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It will probably be out early 2017 and they won't announce it for the obvious reasons due to current sales, people expecting the current consoles to drop, if that's the case.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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PS4 and XB1 need to start worrying about putting out some quality games instead of worrying about putting out new consoles. there really isn't much exciting that has come out on either console other than a handful of games.
 

Sulaco

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PS4 and XB1 need to start worrying about putting out some quality games instead of worrying about putting out new consoles. there really isn't much exciting that has come out on either console other than a handful of games.

Agreed. One of the more (most?) disappointing generations thus far from a software standpoint.
 

sze5003

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I second the more games portion. Nothing but a few good titles I could count on one hand or so have been worth buying either system.

If they are going to refresh these systems every 3 years or so there needs to be unique games to make people buy them. If they are just going to pump out the same games you get on a PC, a PC is a much more worthwhile investment.
 

zerocool84

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PS4 and XB1 need to start worrying about putting out some quality games instead of worrying about putting out new consoles. there really isn't much exciting that has come out on either console other than a handful of games.
Millions of other people would disagree with you. I have too many games to play.
 

Lil Frier

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It will probably be out early 2017 and they won't announce it for the obvious reasons due to current sales, people expecting the current consoles to drop, if that's the case.

For me, it's too late. I was going to get a PS4 3 months ago for The Show. Then the rumors of the Neo happened. Now, they've got me passing on the PS4, and waiting with the Neo does nothing to change that. Instead, they risk going so slowly I lose interest. The delay of Horizon already hurts, so now it's "maybe for The Show 17 in the spring/summer," rather than "maybe for Horizon in the fall/winter."

Had the rumors not leaked, or they just come out from the start and dropped the PS4 price, there's a decent chance I'd have ended up getting both consoles. Now, it's not a guarantee I get either because if I'm investing in a new Xbox in 2017, it's unlikely I get a PlayStation as well. I'd probably go NX before PS4 Neo.
 

Sulaco

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Millions of other people would disagree with you. I have too many games to play.

That's cool. You could also find millions of people who thought Wii dance and party games were great.
But it doesn't change the fact that considering we're 3 years into the generation (I don't really count the Wii U, but if you did, that's even sadder) and the dearth of truly stand-out games and glut of remakes and remasters is woeful for this generation.
 

sze5003

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For me, it's too late. I was going to get a PS4 3 months ago for The Show. Then the rumors of the Neo happened. Now, they've got me passing on the PS4, and waiting with the Neo does nothing to change that. Instead, they risk going so slowly I lose interest. The delay of Horizon already hurts, so now it's "maybe for The Show 17 in the spring/summer," rather than "maybe for Horizon in the fall/winter."

Had the rumors not leaked, or they just come out from the start and dropped the PS4 price, there's a decent chance I'd have ended up getting both consoles. Now, it's not a guarantee I get either because if I'm investing in a new Xbox in 2017, it's unlikely I get a PlayStation as well. I'd probably go NX before PS4 Neo.
I'd like to have both consoles but I don't think it will happen anymore. Not without some trade in value to make it worthwhile. The slim Xbox one doesn't interest me when the 2017 model will be upgraded fully. I'll probably stick with my PC until I see a way for me not to spend full price on the consoles.
 

zerocool84

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That's cool. You could also find millions of people who thought Wii dance and party games were great.
But it doesn't change the fact that considering we're 3 years into the generation (I don't really count the Wii U, but if you did, that's even sadder) and the dearth of truly stand-out games and glut of remakes and remasters is woeful for this generation.
Umm yea, Wii Sports was awesome. That's the reason many people got the Wii.
 

Lil Frier

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That's cool. You could also find millions of people who thought Wii dance and party games were great.
But it doesn't change the fact that considering we're 3 years into the generation (I don't really count the Wii U, but if you did, that's even sadder) and the dearth of truly stand-out games and glut of remakes and remasters is woeful for this generation.


Thing is, I cannot say the previous generation was better. In the first 3 years of the 360, how many great, new IPs showed up? I can only think of Gears off-hand, as I thought Mass Effect to be something I had no interest in.
 

purbeast0

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360 took online gaming to a completely new level that we had never seen before, so all of the sequels and stuff felt better because they were seemless to play online.

off the top of my head i can think of quite a few games i bought year 1 that were completely new iterations of previous generations and new ip.

burnout paradise
ghost recon advanced warfighters
cod2 was pretty incredible as well, which lead us to MW which is the reason we have all these FPS games now
nfs:mw at launch was nothing new, but it was pretty damn awesome and again, bringing it online so seamlessly was awesome.
crackdown was pretty damn incredible

and that is just off the top of my head. gears was not even early on in the life cycle.
 

jpiniero

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Yes and no. Big issue when announcing a new console is that sales slow for the current one until the next one comes out.

This really isn't a new console though. Sony has said they are going to sell both consoles throughout the rest of the PS4's lifecycle. I suppose they could wait until closer to October to announce if it's not coming out in 2016 but they definitely need to announce it before the PSVR is released.
 

zerocool84

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Not buying it. They are saying AMD is basically forcing Sony's hand and that seems too far fetched.
Exactly, Sony had the option to make it equal and they didn't. I'm sure Microsoft and Sony heard rumors about each other making an upgraded console so of course they have to do one too. They can't get left behind.
 
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Actually I can definitely buy that. AMD is strapped for money and they're already spending it on Zen/Polaris on 14nm, but have no reason other than the consoles to put any effort into shrinking the 28nm products. So they probably told Sony that they wouldn't put in the money and resources for a die shrink, but they'd be happy to sell them a new SoC with a big boost in performance.

Based on history, I doubt Sony wanted a really new console this soon. I think they were likely eyeing a 5 year plan, with a mid-life shrink. I'd guess Sony likely thought they'd be able to drop their costs a lot as well, which isn't something AMD wants (having to put in the resources to do the die shrink and then sell it even cheaper). They know they have Sony in a position where they don't really have much choice, and it even has benefits so its not really screwing Sony. Plus it keeps the 28nm line in production.

The question will be how does this change things, will it be a success or a flop? My guess is it will bring in a more gradual change that happens every 2-4 years.
 

Sniper82

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Yeah I'll probably give up on consoles if it becomes a every 3-4 year thing. I'll stick with my PC and just abandon consoles I don't see having to upgrade my PC plus one or more consoles(I usually have each at some point). Not to mention I never buy at launch so by the time I do get them another would be around the corner.
 

zerocool84

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Actually I can definitely buy that. AMD is strapped for money and they're already spending it on Zen/Polaris on 14nm, but have no reason other than the consoles to put any effort into shrinking the 28nm products. So they probably told Sony that they wouldn't put in the money and resources for a die shrink, but they'd be happy to sell them a new SoC with a big boost in performance.

Based on history, I doubt Sony wanted a really new console this soon. I think they were likely eyeing a 5 year plan, with a mid-life shrink. I'd guess Sony likely thought they'd be able to drop their costs a lot as well, which isn't something AMD wants (having to put in the resources to do the die shrink and then sell it even cheaper). They know they have Sony in a position where they don't really have much choice, and it even has benefits so its not really screwing Sony. Plus it keeps the 28nm line in production.

The question will be how does this change things, will it be a success or a flop? My guess is it will bring in a more gradual change that happens every 2-4 years.

Having a processor in consoles is GUARANTEED money for years for no matter who's making it. If Sony just wanted a smaller processor for lower cooling/power, AMD would have easily done it because they are guaranteed to get the money back later down the line, especially if it the same processor just a die shrink. This was 100% Sony/Microsoft's move. It's definitely more costly for them to make a slightly more powerful version of the same processor for current consoles than to keep going with the current one with a die shrink. Sony/Microsoft each have more money than AMD. AMD cannot strong arm either of them.
 

Lil Frier

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360 took online gaming to a completely new level that we had never seen before, so all of the sequels and stuff felt better because they were seemless to play online.

off the top of my head i can think of quite a few games i bought year 1 that were completely new iterations of previous generations and new ip.

burnout paradise
ghost recon advanced warfighters
cod2 was pretty incredible as well, which lead us to MW which is the reason we have all these FPS games now
nfs:mw at launch was nothing new, but it was pretty damn awesome and again, bringing it online so seamlessly was awesome.
crackdown was pretty damn incredible

and that is just off the top of my head. gears was not even early on in the life cycle.


--I never cared for Burnout, and I'd call Forza Motorsport 2 a bigger deal/step in the genre (though the franchises have different goals).
--GRAW was pretty cool, but nothing all that special. I'd take The Division, conceptually, over it. Talking of taking MW online, The Division basically did that for the Ghost Recon play style, took it into an MMO environment. Though imperfect, it is still an impressive game, and I liked it (though was ultimately disappointed in the overall execution).
--CoD 2 was loads of fun, no doubt. Yeah, it influenced a lot of shooters. That's not entirely a compliment, either. It brought good and bad.
--I loved Most Wanted and Carbon. Those two are why I don't buy the other NFS games we keep getting as crap successors.
--I never played either Crackdown, didn't interest me.
--Gears of War was more than a year before Burnout Paradise, 8 months after GRAW, and a few months before Crackdown. It launched right around the 1-year anniversary of the 360, so IDK what you need to do to qualify as "early in the life cycle," if a year is too far (and if it is, better but Burnout and Crackdown from your list).

All that said, I don't think what you've said tops what I've enjoyed this generation. I'd take Dying Light over most everything from the 360 generation, I just loved that game. I thoroughly enjoyed Sunset Overdrive. Even some of the so-so stuff, like Mordor and Watch Dogs, I quite liked. It sounds like your main complaint about this generation is that it hasn't done anything as good as THE INTERNET, which seems unfair. In terms of software quality, I'm quite pleased with my XB1, even when I openly admit that Halo 5 ran the franchise into the ground so hard it killed the dinosaurs.
 

Sulaco

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Thing is, I cannot say the previous generation was better. In the first 3 years of the 360, how many great, new IPs showed up? I can only think of Gears off-hand, as I thought Mass Effect to be something I had no interest in.

Well, I think you have to count Mass Effect. Regardless of personal views, it was unquestionably a big seller, Game of the Year candidate/winner, and launched arguably the single biggest RPG franchise of the generation.
Now, that's not to say there are not some great games this generation, but in comparison, yes, there is a dearth.

As for great new IPs in the first 3 years?

--Arkham Asylum
--Bioshock
--Mass Effect
--Assassin's Creed
--Lost Odyssey
--Gears of War
--Dead Space
--Ghost Recon AW
--Dragon Age Origins
--Rainbow Six Vegas
--Splinter Cell Double Agent

..off the top of my head. Most of those games also spawned excellent, often superior, sequels within a year or two of their initial release.
 
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Aikouka

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Not buying it. They are saying AMD is basically forcing Sony's hand and that seems too far fetched.

I don't think "forced their hands" is the right wording, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some credibility to this rumor. The thing is... if AMD is already working on 14nm Polaris GPUs and Zen CPUs (or a combined APU), and Sony says, "Hey, we'd like a 14nm chip too!" AMD most likely gave them the cheaper option (build a 14nm Zen + Polaris custom APU) or the expensive option (completely redesign the Bulldozer + Fiji APU for 14nm). The important thing to keep in mind is that a die shrink of an existing chip isn't usually as simple as hitting resize in MS Paint. There's actually a lot more work involved!
 

Tweak155

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How could AMD have forced any hand if Sony is still going to offer the original PS4 alongside Neo? Why pay for both? Makes no sense.
 
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