New Raptor is out

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: NYTRIDR
lol i join about 15 secs before anyone else. im done bombing their planes and helos before they even load.

SWEET

1337!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1



j/k.........dont freak out (please)

 

[Penth]

I'm pretty impressed by the new Raptor as well. I also have to agree with other owners of 74GB Raptors that it is good enough. The extra capacity isn't that important. I've got a second 250GB HD for storage. 74GB Raptor + BIG SATA HD FTW.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Dunbar

Originally posted by: fire400
I like the Raptors because they are SATA universal. Cons of SCSI drives is that not very many motherboard support the connectivity be default, and thus you have to go out and buy a PCI or PCI-x interface SCSI card. So I support Raptor drives all the way if you just want very good hard drive performance on SATA. SCSI if you want faster.

Not to mention how much longer it takes to detect the SCSI card (and then boot from the SCSI HD). Boot/OS load speed is one of the big benefits of a 10k RPM HD.

i turn my computer on 1x a day, so i really don't care if it took 10mins to boot up...this boot up time is a dead horse and means nothing.

I see SCSI hard drives boot up Windows XP in 30 seconds with Opteron chips.

 

[akugami]

I have a 74GB Raptor and at the time it was heads and tails better than any 7200RPM HD around. Things have changed with later iterations of drives from Maxtor and Seagate, cutting the Raptors performance lead over other SATA and PATA drives but it's still the overall top dog as far as SATA drives go. Still, with today's HD's it is unlikely I would purchase a 74GB Raptor. The new 150GB Raptor certainly pushes the performance level closer to that of a SCSI 10k RPM HD for a SATA drive. If you can afford it, I'd say get one as your OS and apps drive but I don't feel it offers enough of a performance boost over the 74GB Raptor to warrant buying at this time if you already have a 74GB Raptor.

If they can drop this new Raptor's price down closer to the $200 mark I'd have to seriously consider buying it though. However, at $300 for 150GB ($2 per GB), it is simply too expensive for most buyers.

 

[alimoalem]

the raptor will never compare to 15k SCSI

 

[BFG10K]

I like the looks of the benchmarks but unfortunately the drive is a bit small for me. My 120 GB gaming drive getting full and 150 GB is not really much of a step up.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Makaveli
lol u guys do know all the raptors carry a 5year warranty! and have since day 1!

There are limitations to that warranty though. Seagate has replaced a drive that had a fried board which I did.

For starters No company and I mean no company ever covers abuse, only some Insurance companies coverage that can be purchased on retail products. Trust me if Seagate could prove you abused your drive they wouldn't cover it, just as if WD couldn't prove you abused your drive they would have to cover it.

Shure does. I completely destroyed my Shure E2Cs. I closed the car door with it hanging out, dragging on the road for 20miles. They disintegrated to bare wires! I expected to buy another one from them. They replaced it for me for FREE!

 

[Burner27]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Let's see.....

During an intense game how much difference does the speed of the HDD drive mean? That's right!! Nada. Spend the $$ where it matters...CPU/GPU/RAM/Mobo/HDD/DVD almost always in that order for maximum gaming pleasure.

Spending 150 bucks extra to save 2 seconds of initial load time, versus a faster vid card and virtually infinite storage is good for...?

Got over 1GB RAM and a 256 MB vid card? Save the $$ and only replace the drive you have if it's dead. By the time you need a drive, buy the middle fo the line unit which is certainly faster than the one it replaces.

Just my 2 cents worth.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!

This man is correct!

Ok, so you buy a Raptor 150 and you can boot up faster, umm, whoopie do?
You can load game levels a bit faster than someone who doesn't have one, another Whoopie do?
Once you get in the game, the HDD is pretty much no longer in the equation. Buying CPU/RAM/Video card is a much better investment.

And to all of you who think RAID0 is such a great idea--it also has been proven time and time again that it does NOTHING to aid in gaming/overall PC performance. It is also way to risky to use for putting games on it as well--don't cry to me when you have spent 400 hours playing a game and you stored it on a RAID0 and the array or one of the drives dies! Make sure you back up consistantly all you RAID 0 lovers!

$300 for 150GB, no thanks. I picked up a 500GB Seagate w/5 year warranty for $285 shipped! I would rather have oodles of space for "stuff" than a fast as balls drive.

 

[darkxshade]

Oh how the times have changed, I remember dumping $150 into a 30 giger HD 4-5 years ago and at the time it was a hot deal. And now people are kicking and screaming about a 150gb raptor being $300. While I'll agree it's much more worthwhile investment to buy something else like a better cpu/gpu, etc but hey if you got some change, why not?

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Burner127

Originally posted by: maluckey
Let's see.....

During an intense game how much difference does the speed of the HDD drive mean? That's right!! Nada. Spend the $$ where it matters...CPU/GPU/RAM/Mobo/HDD/DVD almost always in that order for maximum gaming pleasure.

Spending 150 bucks extra to save 2 seconds of initial load time, versus a faster vid card and virtually infinite storage is good for...?

Got over 1GB RAM and a 256 MB vid card? Save the $$ and only replace the drive you have if it's dead. By the time you need a drive, buy the middle fo the line unit which is certainly faster than the one it replaces.

Just my 2 cents worth.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!

This man is correct!

Ok, so you buy a Raptor 150 and you can boot up faster, umm, whoopie do?
You can load game levels a bit faster than someone who doesn't have one, another Whoopie do?
Once you get in the game, the HDD is pretty much no longer in the equation. Buying CPU/RAM/Video card is a much better investment.

And to all of you who think RAID0 is such a great idea--it also has been proven time and time again that it does NOTHING to aid in gaming/overall PC performance. It is also way to risky to use for putting games on it as well--don't cry to me when you have spent 400 hours playing a game and you stored it on a RAID0 and the array or one of the drives dies! Make sure you back up consistantly all you RAID 0 lovers!

$300 for 150GB, no thanks. I picked up a 500GB Seagate w/5 year warranty for $285 shipped! I would rather have oodles of space for "stuff" than a fast as balls drive.

:thumbsup:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Except it can't compare to the Seagate warranty.

5 years? and in my experience WD is as fast if not faster than seagate for RMAs.

 

[dopefish21]

Originally posted by: Burner127

Originally posted by: maluckey

$300 for 150GB, no thanks. I picked up a 500GB Seagate w/5 year warranty for $285 shipped! I would rather have oodles of space for "stuff" than a fast as balls drive.

Congrat ! You just bough the slowest & noisiest of all !

 

[Burner27]

Originally posted by: dopefish21

Originally posted by: Burner127

Originally posted by: maluckey

$300 for 150GB, no thanks. I picked up a 500GB Seagate w/5 year warranty for $285 shipped! I would rather have oodles of space for "stuff" than a fast as balls drive.

Congrat ! You just bough the slowest & noisiest of all !

Reread the last thing I said regarding HDDs. Didn't buy it for the speed. Bought it for the SPACE. I have a fast drive for boot drive WD4000KD.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: dopefish21


Congrat ! You just bough the slowest & noisiest of all !

T.....O......O......L


Seriously, you people havnt caught on yet, have you?
Windows boot time is the lowest of all E-pen!s ratings.....so is loading a map.

Thats really the only reason why you people buy Raptors, and dont deny it.

Try to argue that you bought a raptor for a less expensive but SCSI performing drive........Ill tell you its no where near an SCSI drive, and that if your going to waste that much money on a POS drive, why not step up to the plate and actually get the best.

Then you might say you bought it for a boot drive or because you dont store many files......well again, a small SCSI drive isnt to much more, but it actually offers BIG PERFORMANCE GAINS.

All your going to keep doing is try to justify why you cheaped out on the best solution, but still wasted money on a crap solution.
Congrats.




But whatever, you keep those 1-2 seconds of saved time and invest them in growing up some more, then youd at least be doing something useful.

 

[Burner27]

I do miss having SCSI myself. I used to be a SCSI whore. I had a 15k rpm drive that was so speedy, but my needs have changed and I need space more than speed at this time.

 

[Makaveli]

Your one of the people I made this thread for Bigcooljesus. Your part of the raptor hate club. People not only buy raptors for faster boot times, also because they are more responsive on the desktop cause of the lower access times. You might wanna try not starting your post with an insult, and telling people to grow up, if u wanna be taken seriously.

 

[professor1942]

I don't want to see synthetic benchmarks about I/O reads etc. - show me real-world load times for games and applications. The last Raptors simply didn't cut it when it came to level loads, and even an $80 seagate drive outperforms them.

 

[Burner27]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
People not only buy raptors for faster boot times, also because they are more responsive on the desktop cause of the lower access times.

We're only talking about roughly 5ms between the Raptor150 and let's say the WD4000KD which is about 13ms in terms of access times, right? I am no Raptor hater per se, I just think its price doesn't justify its performance. If you're talking 15k SCSI which can easily have a sub 7ms access time vs a WD4000KD, then yeah I would say access time is king. Can you really "feel" the difference between 8ms vs 13ms? Some can, I honestly can't.

 

[Makaveli]

I agree with u that its subjective on the user. I fall into the camp that I notice a difference. just like some people don't see any difference in games from 40fps to 80fps.

 

[Dunbar]

Originally posted by: Burner127

Originally posted by: Makaveli
We're only talking about roughly 5ms between the Raptor150 and let's say the WD4000KD which is about 13ms in terms of access times, right? I am no Raptor hater per se, I just think its price doesn't justify its performance. If you're talking 15k SCSI which can easily have a sub 7ms access time vs a WD4000KD, then yeah I would say access time is king. Can you really "feel" the difference between 8ms vs 13ms? Some can, I honestly can't.

Your logic is flawed, you're saying that the 5-6ms difference (8ms vs 13ms) between the Raptor and 7200rpm drives is insigifnigant (a 60% advantage). Yet the 1-1.5ms quicker 15k RPM SCSI drives (an additional 8-12% speed difference) suddenly transforms it into a speed demon?

Let me guess, you have no personal experience with a 10-15k RPM hard drive, right? I had a 10k RPM Maxtor SCSI drive in my system, UPS destroyed it during a move. Now I have a 7200RPM Maxtor drive in my system. The 10K RPM spindle speed does make the computer noticeably snappier, and it can be felt in virtually every typical task. The computer booted quicker (sans SCSI card detection), programs load quicker, and transferring files on that HD happen faster. Considering that the hard drive is by far the slowest component in the sytem, a faster HD makes a lot of sense. Everybody likes to quote gaming but, as a percentage of time, I bet they spend far more time surfing the net and using multimedia apps. It really comes to a question of value, if I were spending more than $1k on a box I'd put a 74GB Raptor in there (along with big HD for storage.)

 

[Burner27]

Originally posted by: Dunbar

Originally posted by: Burner127

Originally posted by: Makaveli
We're only talking about roughly 5ms between the Raptor150 and let's say the WD4000KD which is about 13ms in terms of access times, right? I am no Raptor hater per se, I just think its price doesn't justify its performance. If you're talking 15k SCSI which can easily have a sub 7ms access time vs a WD4000KD, then yeah I would say access time is king. Can you really "feel" the difference between 8ms vs 13ms? Some can, I honestly can't.

Your logic is flawed, you're saying that the 5-6ms difference (8ms vs 13ms) between the Raptor and 7200rpm drives is insigifnigant (a 60% advantage). Yet the 1-1.5ms quicker 15k RPM SCSI drives (an additional 8-12% speed difference) suddenly transforms it into a speed demon?

Let me guess, you have no personal experience with a 10-15k RPM hard drive, right? I had a 10k RPM Maxtor SCSI drive in my system, UPS destroyed it during a move. Now I have a 7200RPM Maxtor drive in my system. The 10K RPM spindle speed does make the computer noticeably snappier, and it can be felt in virtually every typical task. The computer booted quicker (sans SCSI card detection), programs load quicker, and transferring files on that HD happen faster. Considering that the hard drive is by far the slowest component in the sytem, a faster HD makes a lot of sense. Everybody likes to quote gaming but, as a percentage of time, I bet they spend far more time surfing the net and using multimedia apps. It really comes to a question of value, if I were spending more than $1k on a box I'd put a 74GB Raptor in there (along with big HD for storage.)

Ok, you totally misconstrued my words. Perhaps you need to reread my thread. And if you look a few posts above the thread you quoted you will see i USED TO BE A SCSI WHORE. I have owned many 10k rpm drives and 15k rpm drives. I know what SCSI can do. And yes, a 15k rpm drive with a sub 7ms access time is significantly faster than a 7200rpm drive. I never used the word "speed demon", but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I have owned the 36GB and the 74GB Raptor...when I switched to a 7200rpm drive, I only noticed a difference on startup. The Raptor and the SCSI drives DO bootup the machine much quicker. And yes, the SCSI did boot the machine faster than the raptor. But once in windows, a 74GB Raptor performed no better than my 7200rpm drive. So I would rather spend my money on space, since you say the majority of users surf and use multimedia apps, the only thing the Raptor offers is better access times, which again, in MY opinion (which isn't shared by others) is not noticiable.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
Your one of the people I made this thread for Bigcooljesus. Your part of the raptor hate club. People not only buy raptors for faster boot times, also because they are more responsive on the desktop cause of the lower access times. You might wanna try not starting your post with an insult, and telling people to grow up, if u wanna be taken seriously.

But im allowed to hate it because ive owned it.


I had a 74GB raptor in my last system, and yes, ill say at first that i was amazed at how it booted into windows but thats only because the computer before that one i had a 5400rpm drive :disgust:


And in my most recent set-up, i have a Hitachi 160GB SATA2 drive, which only costed me $75 (shipped).
Compared to my last system, i dont feel the one bit slower on it. None.
Windows boots almost the same amount of time (1 extra second on the Hitachi, big whoop), but in terms of loading maps for games, there is no difference whatsoever (no ACTUAL NOTICEABLE difference, not a benchmark, .2 second faster difference)


But whats so better about my newer system?..........the money i made from selling the raptor and buying the hitachi went towards 2GB of ram instead of 1GB.

But you know, that was a dumb decision on my part since the Raptor would allow me better detail settings in BF2 over the extra Gig i got instead




yes, it is all a matter of opinion, but since i was once in the Raptor loving group, i feel its ok for me to openly express my views on such a group, espacially when i can now tell that the Raptor was a waste of money

 

[RichUK]

I don?t think the raptor is a waste of money. Its built for one thing, and that?s to be the best performing SATA HDD and it is! Its only a waste of money purchasing something if its specific profile does not suite your needs.

If you require larger disk space then obviously its not for you. I love my raptor and to be honest i wouldn?t swap it out for any other SATA HDD on the market at the moment, even though i totally hate the noise it makes when fully operational, the performance still out weighs in favour, and that?s what I desire as a need from the HDD.

Most should know by now that this isn?t for everyone considering the amount of storage you get for the price, you must remember the only focus is on performance and that is it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Looks like the new Raptor will come two versions, a standard and one w/ a window for another $50.

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/9239

 

[JAG87]

Agreed with RichUK.

Nobody is forcing anyone to buy this hard drive, when someone makes a thread about a raptor, every raptor hater starts threadcrapping. If you are a raptor hater, you should not even be reading this thread.

This hard drive was made for performance. You simply cannot compare it to other more spacious and cheaper drives. Its like comparing the 7800 GTX 512, with the regular GTX. Does the 512 justify its 700 dollar price tag? HARDLY. Is it faster then then any other card on the planet right now. SURELY. You want it YOU PAY IT.

Thanks all folks. Dont threadcrap about how you wouldnt waste money on this hard drive. Its because you have common sense, but I bet if you had 2 billion dollars, you wouldnt think twice about getting 4 of these and raiding them. So dont threadcrap.