New Raptor is out

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: JAG87
but I bet if you had 2 billion dollars, you wouldnt think twice about getting 4 of these and raiding them. So dont threadcrap.

:Q
:roll:
:laugh:


you know, i wasnt going to reply and listen to what you said, until i read this statement.


Are you honestly joking?

If you had an unlimited amount of money, you think someone/everyone would get 4 of these and raid them.......over 4 raided SCSI drives ???
(remember, money is no factor here so im talking 15K SCSI drives)

Again, your kidding me right??

 

[zest]

Pre-order HERE.. Specs,vide and stuf.

 

[JAG87]

4 15k 146GB SCSI drives are like 4 grand.

If you had 2 billion, i guess you would do that, but even for someone with a lot of money, I wouldnt spend 4 GS on hard drives. 4 raptors are 1200 dollars. big difference. But no I am not kidding you, your choice would be obviously better.

Still, I hope every1 gets my point that threadcrapping about how much these cost is unreasonable unless they are a real bad product, which they are not. Its like threadcrapping about how much a beemer costs. If you want a chevy, buy a chevy. I want a beemer. Of course there is always the 15k ferrari's...

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: JAG87
Of course there is always the 15k ferrari's...

agreed
:beer:

 

[NYTRIDR]

how did this tread get turned into one about SATA vs SCSI? at what point did anyone figure buying 15k SCSI drives and comparing them to raptors was an intelligent thing to do?

i dont run SCSI because i dont want my computer room sounding like a damn airport like my data center at work. simple, straight and forward, SCSI drives are loud.

 

[Makaveli]

as to your response to my post BigCooljesus, you are right everyone has a right to their own opinon.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
as to your response to my post BigCooljesus, you are right everyone has a right to their own opinon.

that i can agree on



I guess its not all lost........theres still people out there who waste money on floppy drives
*tis* *tis*, get with the future people
:shocked:

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: JAG87
but I bet if you had 2 billion dollars, you wouldnt think twice about getting 4 of these and raiding them. So dont threadcrap.

:Q
:roll:
:laugh:


you know, i wasnt going to reply and listen to what you said, until i read this statement.


Are you honestly joking?

If you had an unlimited amount of money, you think someone/everyone would get 4 of these and raid them.......over 4 raided SCSI drives ???
(remember, money is no factor here so im talking 15K SCSI drives)

Again, your kidding me right??

If they care about performance they would. No matter how much money I have, if my goal is performance, I'm not going to spend more on something I think should be faster if the black and white numbers tell me it isn't.

Raptor vs MAU vs Atlas 15K II

I've had a 15k SCSI boot drive since 2000, and am currently running an Atlas 15K II. What's my next drive going to be? One of these Raptors. I couldn't care less about the "cool factor/perception" of SCSI. I want the better performing drive for my usage, and this new Raptor is it. Not to mention the side benefits that combined with the release of consumer grade dual core CPU's, I can ditch the SMP server boards I've been forced to buy to get higher end PCI connectivity and also dump the SCSI card, which isn't that big a deal, but eliminating hardware is rarely a bad thing.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: JAG87
but I bet if you had 2 billion dollars, you wouldnt think twice about getting 4 of these and raiding them. So dont threadcrap.

:Q
:roll:
:laugh:


you know, i wasnt going to reply and listen to what you said, until i read this statement.


Are you honestly joking?

If you had an unlimited amount of money, you think someone/everyone would get 4 of these and raid them.......over 4 raided SCSI drives ???
(remember, money is no factor here so im talking 15K SCSI drives)

Again, your kidding me right??

If they care about performance they would. No matter how much money I have, if my goal is performance, I'm not going to spend more on something I think should be faster if the black and white numbers tell me it isn't.

Raptor vs MAU vs Atlas 15K II

I've had a 15k SCSI boot drive since 2000, and am currently running an Atlas 15K II. What's my next drive going to be? One of these Raptors. I couldn't care less about the "cool factor/perception" of SCSI. I want the better performing drive for my usage, and this new Raptor is it. Not to mention the side benefits that combined with the release of consumer grade dual core CPU's, I can ditch the SMP server boards I've been forced to buy to get higher end PCI connectivity and also dump the SCSI card, which isn't that big a deal, but eliminating hardware is rarely a bad thing.

Not sure what that link proved........that the SCSI Atlas drive is faster in the most categories ???? (which i already knew, so that wasted time off my life)


only counting the tests that dealt with performance/speed (not the last set of tests that dealt with power and the like), the raptor won 3 overall........the atlas won 12.
Thats 4x better then the raptor.

But your right, the raptor is the better performer........

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: JAG87
4 15k 146GB SCSI drives are like 4 grand.

If you had 2 billion, i guess you would do that, but even for someone with a lot of money, I wouldnt spend 4 GS on hard drives. 4 raptors are 1200 dollars. big difference. But no I am not kidding you, your choice would be obviously better.

Still, I hope every1 gets my point that threadcrapping about how much these cost is unreasonable unless they are a real bad product, which they are not. Its like threadcrapping about how much a beemer costs. If you want a chevy, buy a chevy. I want a beemer. Of course there is always the 15k ferrari's...

O, and while im at it.

the OP specifically asked us "raptor haters" for our opinions (look at the title)
so its not really thread crapping.

 

[Pariah]

If faster means losing in every single-user benchmark (I do consider myself one person) in the language you speak, then, I see your point. Otherwise, I recommend you learn how to read the benchmarks. Hint: bigger numbers mean better for the relevant results.

 

[dexvx]

1) This drive is way too expensive to be used as storage. This is designated as an OS/Apps drive. Anyone who uses it otherwise is an idiot or has too much money to spend.
2) With a 300 MSRP, its almost on par with the MSRP cost of a 74GB 15K MAU or Atlas 15K II. I dont see why enthusiast OEM's who make >$3000 machines don't just put a PCI-E SCSI Raid controller and use SCSI Raid, which will dominate those drives.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Pariah
If faster means losing in every single-user benchmark (I do consider myself one person) in the language you speak, then, I see your point. Otherwise, I recommend you learn how to read the benchmarks. Hint: bigger numbers mean better for the relevant results.

Im just wondering why you linked me to a benchmark of two SCSI drives and the raptor, and then proceed to tell me the raptor is the better performer when i can clearly see from the results that the Atlas won/did better/out performed on 12 of the tests, where as the raptor only did that on 3.

 

[Pariah]

Well, I guess you're one of those people that when deciding on what pickup truck to buy for a construction job, uses 1/4 mile and slalom times as two of the main criterion. If you can't determine which numbers are relevant and which ones are not, the benchmarks might as well be wrong and in Greek, as that would make them as useful to you for picking the best performing product.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Well, I guess you're one of those people that when deciding on what pickup truck to buy for a construction job, uses 1/4 mile and slalom times as two of the main criterion. If you can't determine which numbers are relevant and which ones are not, the benchmarks might as well be wrong and in Greek, as that would make them as useful to you for picking the best performing product.

No, i dont need to see benchmarks for raptors...........i know to stay away from them from my own experience.

 

[Pariah]

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

No, i wouldnt even take the vette for everyday use, id just get a truck or minivan if your talking functionality (ie Seagate or Hitachi)

But if were talking speed/blazing mofo, then id take the Ferrari (SCSI).


But never would i fall in the middle, on the Corvette (Raptor)

 

[Crescent13]

I used to despise raptor, but it looks like if you're gonna buy a $2500+ gaming comp, then this is the drive to get. Still pricy, but if you're willing to spend the money, then why not.

EDIT: Of course, if you want to spend a ton of money, then ramsan FTW!!!!!!!

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Pariah

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

No, i wouldnt even take the vette for everyday use, id just get a truck or minivan if your talking functionality (ie Seagate or Hitachi)

But if were talking speed/blazing mofo, then id take the Ferrari (SCSI).


But never would i fall in the middle, on the Corvette (Raptor)

That's your opinion, I disagree with it, but you are certainly entitled to it, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[ProviaFan]

FWIW, 150GB Raptors are in stock at Newegg right now. How I wish I could order one.

Oh well, to those who can indulge, I salue you. :thumbsup:

 

[Sivar]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Pariah

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

No, i wouldnt even take the vette for everyday use, id just get a truck or minivan if your talking functionality (ie Seagate or Hitachi)

But if were talking speed/blazing mofo, then id take the Ferrari (SCSI).


But never would i fall in the middle, on the Corvette (Raptor)

The Raptor outperforms SCSI drives in almost all desktop scenarios, so it looks like it is the Raptor which is the Ferrari.
SCSI drives are tuned for server (random access) workloads, and suck at desktop workloads. The only real reason that some of them still perform in desktop environments is through sheer brute force--higher spindle speeds, more powerful actuators, smaller platters (shorter actuator travel distance...not that access time matters all that much on desktops)--that sort of thing.

As far as non-performance metrics, the Raptor has the same 5-yr warranty that SCSI drives typically do, and is at least marketed as having similar reliability. Whether it is more or less reliable is really up to the manufacturer rather than the interface anyway.

 

[zest]

Originally posted by: Sivar

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Pariah

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

No, i wouldnt even take the vette for everyday use, id just get a truck or minivan if your talking functionality (ie Seagate or Hitachi)

But if were talking speed/blazing mofo, then id take the Ferrari (SCSI).


But never would i fall in the middle, on the Corvette (Raptor)

The Raptor outperforms SCSI drives in almost all desktop scenarios, so it looks like it is the Raptor which is the Ferrari.
SCSI drives are tuned for server (random access) workloads, and suck at desktop workloads. The only real reason that some of them still perform in desktop environments is through sheer brute force--higher spindle speeds, more powerful actuators, smaller platters (shorter actuator travel distance...not that access time matters all that much on desktops)--that sort of thing.

As far as non-performance metrics, the Raptor has the same 5-yr warranty that SCSI drives typically do, and is at least marketed as having similar reliability. Whether it is more or less reliable is really up to the manufacturer rather than the interface anyway.

Well put Sivar,
Thread seems to have gone off in a tangent
The performance of Ide,SATA and SCSI and are totally diuifferent interfaces and can not really be compared. I would say that SATA is more powerful espesially when you consider SATA 300MB/s and beyod.

Rapror is the king

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: zest

Originally posted by: Sivar

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: Pariah

Just because a corvette can handle as good as a ferrari doesnt mean its the better car......your gotta look at everything to make a statement such as the one you made.

And how exactly is a Ferrari any functionally (cosmetics and ego aside) better than a Corvette for getting you to and from the grocery store or to your job? With the much greater storage capacity of the Vette, I would say it is the better vehicle for an everday driver. Again, how you intend to use the product is one of the most important factors in determining what product is best.

No, i wouldnt even take the vette for everyday use, id just get a truck or minivan if your talking functionality (ie Seagate or Hitachi)

But if were talking speed/blazing mofo, then id take the Ferrari (SCSI).


But never would i fall in the middle, on the Corvette (Raptor)

The Raptor outperforms SCSI drives in almost all desktop scenarios, so it looks like it is the Raptor which is the Ferrari.
SCSI drives are tuned for server (random access) workloads, and suck at desktop workloads. The only real reason that some of them still perform in desktop environments is through sheer brute force--higher spindle speeds, more powerful actuators, smaller platters (shorter actuator travel distance...not that access time matters all that much on desktops)--that sort of thing.

As far as non-performance metrics, the Raptor has the same 5-yr warranty that SCSI drives typically do, and is at least marketed as having similar reliability. Whether it is more or less reliable is really up to the manufacturer rather than the interface anyway.

Well put Sivar,
Thread seems to have gone off in a tangent
The performance of Ide,SATA and SCSI and are totally diuifferent interfaces and can not really be compared. I would say that SATA is more powerful espesially when you consider SATA 300MB/s and beyod.

Raptor is the king

fixed for you.

But if were in the realm of saying all drives serve different purposes, such as a 500GB isnt meant for speed but storage, and a 74GB is meant for speed but not storage.......how can you come to the conclusion that the Raptor is king?

At storage? no, its no where near king
At actual speed (numbers/specs)? no, loses to SCSI
At tasks such as boot and desktop performance? Yes, ill agree on that
At map loading/gaming? No, mainly because in real world performance it comes down to opinion, where some people see a difference, some dont. With such a close call between a $300 10K drive, and a $100 7.2K drive, i would hardly say the raptor is King.


Is it a good drive for those that want a little more snappiness and zest?
Yes.

Is it the king of all drives as you seemed to have implied?
No, not at all.


Now, if the raptor costed $150 for 150GB, then yes, id have to agree with you it is the "King" of drives. But since lower cost, slower drives can compete (to the point where most of the time a difference isnt noticed/barley noticed by the actual user) with it for a fraction of the price, it cant take that title.



In the computer world, trying to declare something the overall "King" or ruler of its counterparts is illogical.


If the Raptor (by your opinion) is king of hard drives, then im interested to see what you think is the king of CPU's? GPU's? RAM?

 

[NYTRIDR]

Jesus with every sentence typed, you lose more respect here. Its obvious you have no idea what youre talking about. Please go back to the tech department at Best Buy or wherever you nubs hang out now, and stay out of places where product knowledge is a requirement.


learning is fun.

SCSI vs 74 GB raptor


EDIT: lol I just realized he probably wont understand that benchmark either...

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: NYTRIDR
Jesus with every sentence typed, you lose more respect here.

Thats my aim



here, have a for being so awesome