New Rig I am building

[Stanto]

just wondering what you guys think of this rig

LG 16x DVD+R Burner Model GSA-4160B DUAL LAYER WHITE 103.00
AMD ATHLON 64 3500+ New Retail Box 939 399.00
Western Digital 120 gig 7200rpm SATA JD 128.00
ASUS A8N-SLi NVIDIA nForce4 SLI SATA Dual Raid Dual Gigabit LAN 8-channel Audio 349.00
KINGSTON 512meg DDR400 (PC3200)x2 298.00
ANTEC (USA) 450watt ATX SOLUTIONS SERIES Smart Power P4 Supported 95.00

still need a graphics card but unsure what is the best bang for my buck feedback would be appreciated

 

[SirOblivious]

As most people will probably tell you here, ditch the SLI mother board and get a single 6800GT. By the time your video card needs to be upgraded, you'll probably want a new CPU(possibly MB) as well.

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

Agree, the A8N is not an OC dream, expensive, and if you read the latest article on the H, most games don't take advantage of the technology.
Get an Nforce3 MB like the MSI Neo2 Platinum, the 3500+, and a 6800 GT OC or 6800 Ultra OC.
You'll get 100fps in most games, and be set for 3 years. In a year, you can upgrade the GPU to the latest/greatest to get more speed. SLI is all hype.

 

[Ike0069]

I hope those prices aren't in US$.
I too agree that there is no need for SLI, unless your're just trying to spend more money than your friends.

Originally posted by: NoGodForMe
Get an Nforce3 MB like the MSI Neo2 Platinum, the 3500+, and a 6800 GT OC or 6800 Ultra OC.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Twigstir]

If you want to run at higher resolutions with AA and AF turned on then 2 video cards in SLI has advantages. 2 video cards in SLI doesn't improve how fast the game runs per say. It just allows you to run at better graphics setting without loss to FPS. This has a cost - a second video card.

The ASUS SLI mother board cost a little more but gives you the option of running either one or two video cards today and in the future. The added cost just gives you more options.

If you're looking at SLI then you might want to up your power supply.

Many people favor the 6800 GT's for SLI setups. It's also a very good video non-SLI.

Shop around - some of your prices look very high.

 

[ddviper]

think they r in canadian $'s

translates to

$83 drive
$325 CPU
$104 HDD
$284 mobo
$240 mem
and $77 PSU

 

[Edward Lee]

Originally posted by: Twigstir
If you want to run at higher resolutions with AA and AF turned on then 2 video cards in SLI has advantages. 2 video cards in SLI doesn't improve how fast the game runs per say. It just allows you to run at better graphics setting without loss to FPS. This has a cost - a second video card.

The ASUS SLI mother board cost a little more but gives you the option of running either one or two video cards today and in the future. The added cost just gives you more options.

If you're looking at SLI then you might want to up your power supply.

Many people favor the 6800 GT's for SLI setups. It's also a very good video non-SLI.

Shop around - some of your prices look very high.

Very ignorant of you to tell him he has an option of upgrading to another video card in the future without telling him that his upgrade choices would be limited to whichever card is compatible with his current SLI motherboard. Which means that if ATI decides they want to make an SLI card it won't work with you motherboard. Also if Nvidia decides that it needs to "tweak" their SLI cards there is a chance that you won't be able to use those either for your system. Also SLI won't support Dual Core Graphics cards which run about the same efficiency as SLI without the added bulk or spending the extra cash on a extra card.

 

[Twigstir]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee

Originally posted by: Twigstir
If you want to run at higher resolutions with AA and AF turned on then 2 video cards in SLI has advantages. 2 video cards in SLI doesn't improve how fast the game runs per say. It just allows you to run at better graphics setting without loss to FPS. This has a cost - a second video card.

The ASUS SLI mother board cost a little more but gives you the option of running either one or two video cards today and in the future. The added cost just gives you more options.

If you're looking at SLI then you might want to up your power supply.

Many people favor the 6800 GT's for SLI setups. It's also a very good video non-SLI.

Shop around - some of your prices look very high.

Very ignorant of you to tell him he has an option of upgrading to another video card in the future without telling him that his upgrade choices would be limited to whichever card is compatible with his current SLI motherboard. Which means that if ATI decides they want to make an SLI card it won't work with you motherboard. Also if Nvidia decides that it needs to "tweak" their SLI cards there is a chance that you won't be able to use those either for your system. Also SLI won't support Dual Core Graphics cards which run about the same efficiency as SLI without the added bulk or spending the extra cash on a extra card.

Try posting only things that are true.

Dual core graphics cards exist and require SLI mother boards to run currently.
Everything else in your post MAY become true however, none of them are known facts and you should not present them as such.

I would hope that person has done some homework and knows the current Nvidia's SLI graphics requirements.

What the future holds for SLI is uncertain. Making crap up because you seem to hate SLI is uncalled for.

 

[Stanto]

all these prices are australian

yeah i was thinking of getting a 6800gt ultra or something along those lines but so many choices there to be made, so sli is pretty much out then i want to stick with the asus mobo as i already have one and have had no problems with it at all, i havent researched pc components in a ve4ry long time so advice would still be great

 

[Edward Lee]

Originally posted by: Twigstir

Try posting only things that are true.

Dual core graphics cards exist and require SLI mother boards to run currently.
Everything else in your post MAY become true however, none of them are known facts and you should not present them as such.

I would hope that person has done some homework and knows the current Nvidia's SLI graphics requirements.

What the future holds for SLI is uncertain. Making crap up because you seem to hate SLI is uncalled for.

Dual core exist and require SPECIFIC motherboards to run them. They will not work on any other board even an SLI board. I know my facts, what about you?
Yes some of what I've stated is speculation, however they are based on valid assumptions on what the future may hold for SLI. That is in rebuttle to your statement that you can plug an extra card in the future and poof you'll upgraded to the latest technology.

 

[SrGuapo]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee

Originally posted by: Twigstir

Try posting only things that are true.

Dual core graphics cards exist and require SLI mother boards to run currently.
Everything else in your post MAY become true however, none of them are known facts and you should not present them as such.

I would hope that person has done some homework and knows the current Nvidia's SLI graphics requirements.

What the future holds for SLI is uncertain. Making crap up because you seem to hate SLI is uncalled for.

Dual core exist and require SPECIFIC motherboards to run them. They will not work on any other board even an SLI board. I know my facts, what about you?
Yes some of what I've stated is speculation, however they are based on valid assumptions on what the future may hold for SLI. That is in rebuttle to your statement that you can plug an extra card in the future and poof you'll upgraded to the latest technology.

If you are reffering to the gigabyte 6600gt SLI card, it only works with SLI boards (including the Asus). In order for the card to function, it must have the correct SLI drivers and such (since it performs just like two individual 6600gts). You cannot run two of these cards, since current SLI only works with 2 cards. In theory, you could flash the bios/tweak an ultra board to think it is an SLI board (see the article on the front page) and be able to run it.

In your own defense, I also think that SLI is a waste. A single 6800gt will run all curent games at high resolutions with some eye candy. In order to reap the benefits of SLI, you will need two cards, anyway. Many try to suggest you could buy a second card and double your performance, but by the time you need to add a second ancient 6600gt/6800gt, the current generation $200 will easily destroy it in performance, as well as be DX10/VS4.0 (whatever) compliant.

 

[Edward Lee]

I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's the review on the dual core http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2315

Quote: "The only motherboard that can run the 3D1 is the GA-K8NXP-SLI. These products will be shipping together as a bundle within the month"

 

[beany323]

how much of a price difference is there between a sli setup and a non-sli setup... 100 dollars (give or take). Yea its taking a chance. i do plan on making a non-sli rig and oc'ing, if for anything to learn. I don't want to learn on a 2-3k system. if i blow up a 1k system, that much the better. ( i would rather blow nothing up....but stuff happens!)

i am going sli for my main rig... i am a betting man atm!

good discussion though.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee
I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's the review on the dual core http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2315

Quote: "The only motherboard that can run the 3D1 is the GA-K8NXP-SLI. These products will be shipping together as a bundle within the month"

The 3D1 is a bullsh!t card that Gigabyte came up with and apparently made it to only work on their own board. I'm sure if Gigabyte wanted to come out with a special AGP card that would only work on their own motherboard, they could do that too. You'll also note that you can NOT put two 3D1 cards in their own SLI board which defeats the purpose of the card all together. This is not the way SLI was intended to work. SLI is designed for TWO cards and it is NOT dependant on the motherboard to work. The video card manufactures going by the DESIGNED implementation of SLI will come out with cards in the future to work with present day SLI boards. If you doubt that, you are completely retarded. This is a freakin' cash cow for video card manufactures. Instead of selling a single high end card, they can now sell them in pairs.

 

[Edward Lee]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Edward Lee
I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's the review on the dual core http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2315

Quote: "The only motherboard that can run the 3D1 is the GA-K8NXP-SLI. These products will be shipping together as a bundle within the month"

The 3D1 is a bullsh!t card that Gigabyte came up with and apparently made it to only work on their own board. I'm sure if Gigabyte wanted to come out with a special AGP card that would only work on their own motherboard, they could do that too. You'll also note that you can NOT put two 3D1 cards in their own SLI board which defeats the purpose of the card all together. This is not the way SLI was intended to work. SLI is designed for TWO cards and it is NOT dependant on the motherboard to work. The video cards manufactures going by the DESIGNED implementation of SLI will come out with cards in the future to work with present day SLI boards. If you doubt that, you are completely retarded. This is a freakin' cash cow for video card manufactures. Instead of selling a single high end card, they can now sell them in pairs.

Where do you come out calling me names? Do I know you? Have I talked to you? If not for any reason other than your plain ignorance and intollerance you should be banned.

Also I don't expect people to go by my word or your word alone. Let them do the research and sort the fact from fiction. This is an open forum with open ideas. Where the hell do you come out here calling people names?

 

[beany323]

Originally posted by: beany323

good discussion though.

i might have to take that back.....

:shocked:

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Edward Lee
I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's the review on the dual core http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2315

Quote: "The only motherboard that can run the 3D1 is the GA-K8NXP-SLI. These products will be shipping together as a bundle within the month"

The 3D1 is a bullsh!t card that Gigabyte came up with and apparently made it to only work on their own board. I'm sure if Gigabyte wanted to come out with a special AGP card that would only work on their own motherboard, they could do that too. You'll also note that you can NOT put two 3D1 cards in their own SLI board which defeats the purpose of the card all together. This is not the way SLI was intended to work. SLI is designed for TWO cards and it is NOT dependant on the motherboard to work. The video cards manufactures going by the DESIGNED implementation of SLI will come out with cards in the future to work with present day SLI boards. If you doubt that, you are completely retarded. This is a freakin' cash cow for video card manufactures. Instead of selling a single high end card, they can now sell them in pairs.

Where do you come out calling me names? Do I know you? Have I talked to you? If not for any reason other than your plain ignorance and intollerance you should be banned.

Also I don't expect people to go by my word or your word alone. Let them do the research and sort the fact from fiction. This is an open forum with open ideas. Where the hell do you come out here calling people names?

Hey Mr. "I've been here for a BIG one month and all I can do is post about a topic (SLI) I have no idea what I'm talking about," you ain't getting anyone banned. On the contrary, they should ban YOU for spamming this board with all the idiotic posts you make about SLI. I think 90% of what you post here is "why SLI is worthless..."

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Edward Lee

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Edward Lee
I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's the review on the dual core http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2315

Quote: "The only motherboard that can run the 3D1 is the GA-K8NXP-SLI. These products will be shipping together as a bundle within the month"

The 3D1 is a bullsh!t card that Gigabyte came up with and apparently made it to only work on their own board. I'm sure if Gigabyte wanted to come out with a special AGP card that would only work on their own motherboard, they could do that too. You'll also note that you can NOT put two 3D1 cards in their own SLI board which defeats the purpose of the card all together. This is not the way SLI was intended to work. SLI is designed for TWO cards and it is NOT dependant on the motherboard to work. The video cards manufactures going by the DESIGNED implementation of SLI will come out with cards in the future to work with present day SLI boards. If you doubt that, you are completely retarded. This is a freakin' cash cow for video card manufactures. Instead of selling a single high end card, they can now sell them in pairs.

Where do you come out calling me names? Do I know you? Have I talked to you? If not for any reason other than your plain ignorance and intollerance you should be banned.

Also I don't expect people to go by my word or your word alone. Let them do the research and sort the fact from fiction. This is an open forum with open ideas. Where the hell do you come out here calling people names?

Hey Mr. "I've been here for a BIG one month and all I can do is post about a topic (SLI) I have no idea what I'm talking about," you ain't getting anyone banned. On the contrary, they should ban YOU for spamming this board with all the idiotic posts you make about SLI. I think 90% of what you post here is "why SLI is worthless..."

Wow.. And I thought I was the only one that seen the pattern. Thanks for someone finally acknowledging that all this cat posts is flamebait.

Back on topic, SLI does offer a performance advantage, but the cost is great as well. It always seems like vendors come out with new and improved products monthly. If you are dead set on the SLI setup - do not go any lower then a 6800GT for future upgradability reasons.

 

[Edward Lee]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Hey Mr. "I've been here for a BIG one month and all I can do is post about a topic (SLI) I have no idea what I'm talking about," you ain't getting anyone banned. On the contrary, they should ban YOU for spamming this board with all the idiotic posts you make about SLI. I think 90% of what you post here is "why SLI is worthless..."

I've had more intelligent conversations with my dog. You said nothing to to add to the quality of this thread or any other topi in this forum for that matter. If one was to look back at all the mean spirited nasty things you had to say to everyone I think my point would be made. You are a jackass.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Hey Mr. "I've been here for a BIG one month and all I can do is post about a topic (SLI) I have no idea what I'm talking about," you ain't getting anyone banned. On the contrary, they should ban YOU for spamming this board with all the idiotic posts you make about SLI. I think 90% of what you post here is "why SLI is worthless..."

I've had more intelligent conversations with my dog. You said nothing to to add to the quality of this thread or any other topi in this forum for that matter. If one was to look back at all the mean spirited nasty things you had to say to everyone I think my point would be made. You are a jackass.

Here's a thought for you. IF YOU DON'T LIKE DON'T READ IT.

Well I corrected your dumbass statement didn't I? If I didn't say anything, the OP could have been under the impression that NForce 4 SLI boards will only work in SLI with the current video cards we have today. As a matter of fact, YOU are doing the most harm in this thread by posting completely bogus information about something you OBVIOUSLY don't understand.

Very ignorant of you to tell him he has an option of upgrading to another video card in the future without telling him that his upgrade choices would be limited to whichever card is compatible with his current SLI motherboard. Which means that if ATI decides they want to make an SLI card it won't work with you motherboard.

I find this to be ironic.

If one was to look back at all the mean spirited nasty things you had to say to everyone I think my point would be made. You are a jackass.

Come on dude, I'm a very nice and helpful guy.

 

[Stanto]

okay then not totally dead set on the sli board, what is the difference with the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe to the ASUS A8V-DELUXE not just one is sli and the other isn't is there any other difference and what motherboard would be best, want the 3500 chip though

also what is the best 6600GT card for my dollar

 

[Stanto]

What are the leadtek winfast cards like

 

[SunSamurai]

I would not get dual GT6600s for SLi. Sli HAS ITS USE, and its not gor 6600s.
Anyone the duals 6600GTs is retally metarded.

SLi works fantastically with dual 6800GT OCed, or, if you cant afford it, works better with a single 6800GT than dual.

 

[Twigstir]

A lot depends on what you want to use your computer for.

You mentioned 6600GT's. You have a lot of choices just with that alone.

AGP or PCI-E
An SLI mother board where you could add another 6600GT, following Nvidia's requirements, down the road. Of course you can still replace that card in an SLI mother board. SLI mother boards have a few options now and may have more in the future.
The dual core Gigabyte 3D1 and it's specific SLI mother board.
The future Anus dual core 6600GT :
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=23649

You have to look at what you want to do today and what you might want to do in the near future. You also should give some thought on what's coming in the future, cycle times of new products, and what are you're more long term plans.

Of course things change in the computer world. ATI is working on an SLI solution. They have mentioned some very impressive things that Nvidia's SLI can't do today. Of course Nvidia will probably follow with their own SLI improvement. Dual core graphics card are starting to emerge. What the future holds is uncertain. Something could come out in the near future that make this or that a complete waste. In fact, you could buy an SLI mother board for a few extra dollars and never end up running 2 video cards in it. Did you waste your money? Depends on your point of view and an uncertain future. You bought yourself some additional options with the extra cash.

Due your homework and try to do what you think is best for you. Check out the video part of the forums for some additional info on graphics cards.

 

[Dijital]

Originally posted by: Stanto
just wondering what you guys think of this rig

LG 16x DVD+R Burner Model GSA-4160B DUAL LAYER WHITE 103.00
AMD ATHLON 64 3500+ New Retail Box 939 399.00
Western Digital 120 gig 7200rpm SATA JD 128.00
ASUS A8N-SLi NVIDIA nForce4 SLI SATA Dual Raid Dual Gigabit LAN 8-channel Audio 349.00
KINGSTON 512meg DDR400 (PC3200)x2 298.00
ANTEC (USA) 450watt ATX SOLUTIONS SERIES Smart Power P4 Supported 95.00

still need a graphics card but unsure what is the best bang for my buck feedback would be appreciated

price on that mobo is high of high. i got mine for $199 at zipzoomfly on a special deal.

is your cpu the newcastle or winchester core? i'd recommend winchester since it runs a bit cooler. for your gpu, 6600gts are good, but go for the 6800gt if you've got the $$$ to spend.