New Russian military hardware.

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BUTCH1

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Regarding their overdue upgrades for standard vehicles? We went modular awhile back with many systems, dealing with new threats in a familiar class often happens behind the scenes, with little fanfare. And that's if DoD feels the need to begin with!


My main worry is Russia's new electronic warfare system. After what happened to the Donald Cook last spring in the Black Sea, I hope Navy brass sufficiently shit itself in order to make defending against Khibiny a huge priority. We need Aegis / AESA upgrades, and fucking chop chop guys. When an Arleigh Burke can basically be turned off like a T.V, we have problems. Nice one Russia, credit where credit is due.

Just saw a YT video on that, wow. must have sucked to have been on that ship, the fact that 27 people asked to be transferred speaks for itself.

EDIT:, Hmm, it appears to be a BS story and the explanation makes sense, if you were Russia military and in fact you had come up with a system capable of "turning off" all the defensive systems on a modern US destroyer like the Cook would you want to tip your hat to your potential foe that you have this capability?, probably not..https://***********/war-is-boring/russia-claims-its-bomber-jammed-u-s-destroyer-8b58c9b56515
 
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Ventanni

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The new Russian military hardware is impressive, but it's no match for American military muscle. I don't say that 'cause I'm American and, "'Murica!" I say that because it's a comparison of economies. The United States has 10x the economy that Russia does. Russia definitely has a very lethal and capable military, but it's not the, "American Way," to simply stand idle and let our enemies overcome us.

The true military enemy, if you want to paint one, is China. Why? Because they're the only nation on the planet that can rival the United States economically. European countries definitely have something to fear from the Russian military, but not the United States. A lot of our resources have been transported over from the West to the East over the last decade anyways. What you see Russia doing is simply us not having the muscle we once had over in the European theatre, 'cause a lot of it has been moved.

New Russian military hardware is good, but it'll never be produced on levels capable of matching US military hardware. Why? 'Cause we have 11,000 M1 Abrams, and they can only afford 100. We'll have 2500 F-35's and a slew of supporting awesome hardware to go along with it (F22's and B1's). They'll have 200 of their new warbirds.

It's simple economics.
 

notposting

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Don't think we have to worry about tanks dropping here anytime soon, but as for helping our allies out, political horsecrap and money getting shuffled between contractors/politicians/lobbyists doing things like dumping the Warthog for the super-advanced-but-usually-grounded F-35 is kind of representative of where we are at.

Army: don't give us more Abrams. Congress: Moar tanks for you!
Groundpounders: for the love of anything that is holy, could we keep the A-10? Air Force: F-35, a crappy F-16 for you!!!!!! (Congress: actually, we want to dump that too, no CAS for you suckers!)
Marines: could we get something, ANYTHING, new that doesn't suck? Everyone: hahhahahahahaha
Navy: Seriously tho, our ships run on something like Windows NT 3.5, and we don't exactly trust the updates from Lenovo. Could we get something newer? Congress: How about a new ship/sub line? We'll promise 40 of them, then when a new administration/congress takes over, it will all get canceled except for the lead vessel? Navy: cool?
Air Force: we just plan to discipline any unruly pilots who complain about breathing charcoal instead of oxygen. The ones that don't go lawndart, anyway. Congress: *nodding*

I might be jaded and cynical.
 

Ventanni

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http://archive.defensenews.com/arti...USN-Aircraft-Carriers-May-Too-Vulnerable-Keep

If the fleet were being designed today from scratch, with the technologies now available and the threats now emerging, it likely would look very different, he postulates

Definitely interesting. I was a bit skeptical before I read the article, but afterwards it makes sense.

Against a lower-tech nation like Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, or pirate waters, an American carrier group represents a vast ordinance of firepower that we can bring to bear against nearly any target we choose. And most of its firepower "effect" requires no shot to be fired at all. We move a carrier group into a region and nations chill out. The United States Navy spends a lot of time just keeping the peace against low-tech enemies.

Against a high-tech nation like China or Russia, the American carrier group is, of course, a lot more vulnerable. But that's why I also mentioned that the only nation we have to fear militarily in the world right now is China, because they're the only nation that can rival us economically. If it took $10 billion worth of anti-ship missiles (or even $5 billion) to take out a Nimitz carrier, then that's something to fear. The real danger is the fact that China is able to afford that, whereas other nations can't.

It's kinda like how the British commented about their Challenger II, which is notorious for its immensely heavy armor, that with a big enough bomb you can blow up anything; even the Challenger II's aren't invincible. And neither are carrier groups.

Right now, the United States still has a vast edge over China militarily. In 20-30 years, that playing field will be much more evened out. But that could change in an instant, too. Unfortunately our warmongering ways also make us really, really good at fighting wars and designing the weapons to do it with. The Chinese just don't have that experience like we do.

Ack, all this war talk. I hate war. I hope it never breaks out. It'd be a sad, sad day for all of us if that happened.
 

Fenixgoon

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http://archive.defensenews.com/arti...USN-Aircraft-Carriers-May-Too-Vulnerable-Keep

If the fleet were being designed today from scratch, with the technologies now available and the threats now emerging, it likely would look very different, he postulates

absolutely. i think you could argue that position for almost any given point in time - though that doesn't mean the article is any less useful, critical, or correct.

the changing nature of warfare will require a dramatic change in force structure, but i think there is still some value in maintaining some level of carrier presence.

do we need carriers than all other countries combined? maybe not. the article absolutely has a valid point that utilizing the same force structure for the next 50 years is folly, and i find the analogy to the battleships of WWI to be quite apt.
 

norseamd

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You don't suppose that they want to get rid of a plane that only helps the army and want shiny new toys to zoom around in?

This.

Both the Army and Marines have offered to take the airplanes for free but the Air Force brass are refusing because they want it gone out of their own ideology. You say it is obsolete and that is why the Air Force brass want all the airplanes scrapped but they tried to prevent it from getting made even when the anti-armor mission was in full relevance back in the 70s and they have tried to destroy every one of those airplanes every year since then.
 

IGBT

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http://allenwestrepublic.com/2015/0...s-created-serious-security-issue-for-us-navy/

IBM shedding its server business creates a security concern for the U.S. Navy, which included the company’s x86 BladeCenter HT server in its Aegis Technical Insertion (TI) 12. The TI-12 hardware upgrades, along with Advanced Capability Build (ACB) 12 software upgrades, compose the Aegis Baseline 9 combat system upgrade that combines a ballistic missile defense capability with anti-air warfare (AAW) improvements for the Navy’s guided missile cruiser and destroyer fleets.

“The Department of Homeland Defense identified security concerns with the IBM Blade Center sale and placed restrictions on federal government procurement of Lenovo Blade Center server products,” a Navy spokesman told USNI News.

The major military concern is the servers could be compromised through routine maintenance or the information could be accessed remotely by Chinese government agents, The Wall Street Journal reported last year.
 

SSSnail

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In Soviet Russia, you don't fire missiles, missiles fires you.



This BUK caught fire during the parade.
 
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