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diesbudt

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oh and there is a new "contraband" in the school. chocolate syrup for the milk. the school banned flavored milk so the kids are bringing it in to flavor it so they can drink the skim milk they are given.

Oh... my god....


I hope I have kids soon, and they get into a school like this. I will be so vocal against them, and worse yet, I plan on having a law degree at some point. (As an engineer planned on Patent lawyer few years down the road)

I am excited to fight the schools / government now.
 

waggy

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Yeah, it's a shame that schools are trying to make kids eat meals that are better for them.

I remember the day when they used to get pizza, french fries and burgers in the cafeteria. SIGH.

Now they STARVE to death after all they have to eat is whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables!

i am all for it. but to be honest they went about it the wrong way. A hard limit of 650 calaries is not enough for a good portion of the kids. sure the fat ass's can survive but no way in hell would either of my 2 kids. hell both would be really bad when they got home.

Student athletes and active kids NEED more then that. Also if you have a poor family odds are the school lunch was the 1 meal the kid was getting a good meal (that again is very sad). when you limit that meal to such a small amount its not really doing much.

With obese children do you really think its LUNCH at school that is causing it? NO its sitting at home playing WoW or Xbox all night with junk food on the table next to them and a 64oz soda. Only thing this crappy lunch is doing for them is causing them to buy snacks at school and then when they get home pig out. It is not going to help them at all.

Seems this new mandate is causing more problems for avarage and athletic students then it helping obese.

though i think i seen why. one article said that after eating (btw the price went up for LESS FOOD) the snack bar line is packed until the bell rings. so i guess that helps..
 

diesbudt

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i am all for it. but to be honest they went about it the wrong way. A hard limit of 650 calaries is not enough for a good portion of the kids. sure the fat ass's can survive but no way in hell would either of my 2 kids. hell both would be really bad when they got home.

Student athletes and active kids NEED more then that. Also if you have a poor family odds are the school lunch was the 1 meal the kid was getting a good meal (that again is very sad). when you limit that meal to such a small amount its not really doing much.

With obese children do you really think its LUNCH at school that is causing it? NO its sitting at home playing WoW or Xbox all night with junk food on the table next to them and a 64oz soda. Only thing this crappy lunch is doing for them is causing them to buy snacks at school and then when they get home pig out. It is not going to help them at all.

Seems this new mandate is causing more problems for avarage and athletic students then it helping obese.

though i think i seen why. one article said that after eating (btw the price went up for LESS FOOD) the snack bar line is packed until the bell rings. so i guess that helps..

It is just that. The junk food. So what happens when kids come home after school hungry? They snack. Snacks are usually bad healthy wise, especially if they gorge on them because of being hungry.

And your right. The athletes are the high spending energy ones need the calories to grow/perform. And some children it is sad this used to be the one good meal they would get.

Schools are suppossed to be for education. So why not educate kids better eating choices. (This is why diets normall fail. Starving one self is a temporary solution. teaching oneself to eat healithier yet be full is a long term solution that works.)
 
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waggy

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It is just that. The junk food. So what happens when kids come home after school hungry? They snack. Snacks are usually bad healthy wise, especially if they gorge on them because of being hungry.

And your right. The athletes are the high spending energy ones need the calories to grow/perform. And some children it is sad this used to be the one good meal they would get.

Schools are suppossed to be for education. So why not educate kids better eating choices. (This is why diets normall fail. Starving one self is a temporary solution. teaching oneself to eat healithier yet be full is a long term solution that works.)

exactly.

Both of my kids are very active. My daughter is small and is insane when it comes to activity. between her gymnastics, working out at home and playing we have a hard time getting her to gain weight. My son is not as bad but he plays just as hard.

both eat a lot. We do our best to make sure they are getting stuff that is good for them.

We keep the junk food to a minimum. They do not drink Soda and candy is a rare treat.
 

ElFenix

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You do not force change on people, even children. You teach lessons to work towards a development of change.

That is the issue. And the school lunches (if true just veggies and fruits) need to be more balanced.

If I was a 4th grader told I MUST eat what the school gave me and would charge an "account/tab" reguardless if I protested by not brining money. I would put the food to good use. Remember, the food fight is a very importent invention.

they forced change on people by making shittastic school lunches for the last several decades and now when they correct it people think it's the biggest shitstorm ever. i very much doubt anyone is being forced to buy any of it. terrible reporting + hyperbolic parents = bad information on the internet
 

diesbudt

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they forced change on people by making shittastic school lunches for the last several decades and now when they correct it people think it's the biggest shitstorm ever. i very much doubt anyone is being forced to buy any of it. terrible reporting + hyperbolic parents = bad information on the internet

Considering school lunches is a newish thing if you go that far back. I know My dad always talks about how they would go across the street to get lunch for school. And that change wasn't forced. You could still eat healthy via sacked lunches.

But since now some schools are slowly moving over to the no sacked lunch policy, yea that is forcing a change.
 

waggy

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they forced change on people by making shittastic school lunches for the last several decades and now when they correct it people think it's the biggest shitstorm ever. i very much doubt anyone is being forced to buy any of it. terrible reporting + hyperbolic parents = bad information on the internet

yeah there is a lot of mixed articles about kids being forced to buy lunch. its hard to have 100% proof on. While it wouldn't surprise me that schools are doing it there is nothing solid.

but there are solid reports of them BANNING home lunches. they say nothing about forcing them to buy the school's lunch though.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-11/news/ct-met-school-lunch-restrictions-041120110410_1_lunch-food-provider-public-school
 

Genx87

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Have any of you run into this? My daughter's school district is following the government's new school lunch rules. Fruit and veggies, milk to drink - which must all be finished before they can leave the lunchroom. Also, daughter is a teacher and teachers are supposed to eat the same stuff to give a good example to the kids.

Parents are annoyed because it costs a fortune - which would be much better spent on other things like more teachers. Also, the kids throw the food away. Much of it is going to waste. And it isn't very much food. Kids & teachers spend most of the school day hungry.

Also, there was no input allowed from any of the parents - including parents whos kids have allergies & food sensitivities. All 3 of my grandkids are lactose intolerant, for example. Kids aren't allowed to bring any of their own food Supposedly it just gets thrown away.

Granted, I'm getting this from 3 small children - no idea what is actually going on here.

Curious - does anyone else deal with this?

Yup,. fiance and I went to her kids 8th grade orientation a month ago. During it we had to sign up for lunches. And they instructed us each child had to eat everything and they couldnt skip on anything. If they did they would have to go back and get that item and eat it.

Her son is now complaining there isnt enough to eat and is hungry during the day. And he cant go back for seconds.

It really raised our eyebrows listening to this crap.
 

diesbudt

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Yup,. fiance and I went to her kids 8th grade orientation a month ago. During it we had to sign up for lunches. And they instructed us each child had to eat everything and they couldnt skip on anything. If they did they would have to go back and get that item and eat it.

Her son is now complaining there isnt enough to eat and is hungry during the day. And he cant go back for seconds.

It really raised our eyebrows listening to this crap.

Food Fight. Best form of protest ever.
 

OutHouse

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That has to suck. I won't give school food high marks, but a hot meal is usually far more enjoyable than a cold meal. I couldn't imagine eating a cold meal for lunch every single day.

lol, my kids REFUSE to eat the school hot lunchs. they are in HS now and have brown bagged it everday of school.

now with the Michelle Obama school lunch program the HS is having a hard time selling lunches and a lot of food is going to waste. but hey its funded by the feds so who gives a shit if all that money and food is wasted because its so nasty nobody wants to eat it.
 

OutHouse

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Yup,. fiance and I went to her kids 8th grade orientation a month ago. During it we had to sign up for lunches. And they instructed us each child had to eat everything and they couldnt skip on anything. If they did they would have to go back and get that item and eat it.

Her son is now complaining there isnt enough to eat and is hungry during the day. And he cant go back for seconds.

It really raised our eyebrows listening to this crap.

Tonight we are hungry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IB7NDUSBOo
 

OutHouse

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yeah there is a lot of mixed articles about kids being forced to buy lunch. its hard to have 100% proof on. While it wouldn't surprise me that schools are doing it there is nothing solid.

but there are solid reports of them BANNING home lunches. they say nothing about forcing them to buy the school's lunch though.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-11/news/ct-met-school-lunch-restrictions-041120110410_1_lunch-food-provider-public-school

yea its all about money money money. thank god our district has not gone this route.
 

waggy

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yea its all about money money money. thank god our district has not gone this route.

One of the positives of my kids going to a small school (150 ish students k-8) is they make FRESH good lunch's every day. i have stopped in a few times to join my kids for lunch. they aren't bad. they also get 2nd (heh and 3rds) if they choose.

they even allow my daughter to keep snacks in her locker and she can eat between class's. the lunch lady has talked with my daughter (and most kids) about what they enjoy to eat.
 

diesbudt

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Man I swear everyday I find out another issue with this country and world. Man I love 'Merica!
 

slag

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Please put this in perspective. Let us know where else you can get a lunch for $2.25.

Also, people will eat when they are hungry. If they're choosing to throw food away, then they are spoiled and not truly hungry.

AMEN. Quoted for truth.
 

waggy

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Please put this in perspective. Let us know where else you can get a lunch for $2.25.

you are missing where active/student athletes are eating and still HUNGRY. if they want more they are to go to the snack bar and buy more.

when before kids were getting enough calories in the lunch. the hard limit is far to low for most children.
 

DrPizza

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I think a better form of protest would be the students organizing themselves and all refusing to touch the lunch. A sit-in more or less.

I'm often amazed that "it's a vegetable!" places fresh produce, frozen produce, and canned/processed produce on the same level nutritionally. Read the labels - on many of the cans of various foods, there's virtually zero nutritional value. Iceburg lettuce has virtually no nutritional value. Etc.

There's also a significant gap in logical thought put into some menus. "The kids like fried french fries. Fried french fries aren't healthy choices. Therefore we will serve frozen french fries that are heated in an oven, which when cooked in bulk result in really soft, flavorless abominations, but students will find them just as desirable because these two foods that taste very little alike share the same name."
 

OutHouse

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"The kids like fried french fries. Fried french fries aren't healthy choices. Therefore we will serve frozen french fries that are heated in an oven, which when cooked in bulk result in really soft, flavorless abominations, but students will find them just as desirable because these two foods that taste very little alike share the same name."

you forgot about the banning of Ketchup, which was the only way to choke down the crap.
 

waggy

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I think a better form of protest would be the students organizing themselves and all refusing to touch the lunch. A sit-in more or less.

I'm often amazed that "it's a vegetable!" places fresh produce, frozen produce, and canned/processed produce on the same level nutritionally. Read the labels - on many of the cans of various foods, there's virtually zero nutritional value. Iceburg lettuce has virtually no nutritional value. Etc.

There's also a significant gap in logical thought put into some menus. "The kids like fried french fries. Fried french fries aren't healthy choices. Therefore we will serve frozen french fries that are heated in an oven, which when cooked in bulk result in really soft, flavorless abominations, but students will find them just as desirable because these two foods that taste very little alike share the same name."

part of the reason they use things like Iceburg lettuce is its something to put on the plate that offers no calories. there is a 850 limit on calories in high school. 700 for middle school and 650 for elementary. That is very low what are you going to put on the menu that does not push you over? besides tons of veggies and lettuce?

I bet the main part of the lunch makes up for 80% of the calories (the sandwich, taco or whatever is the main dish). so they put filler in to fill out the lunch. but it has to be very low in calaries
 

Fingolfin269

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part of the reason they use things like Iceburg lettuce is its something to put on the plate that offers no calories. there is a 850 limit on calories in high school. 700 for middle school and 650 for elementary. That is very low what are you going to put on the menu that does not push you over? besides tons of veggies and lettuce?

I bet the main part of the lunch makes up for 80% of the calories (the sandwich, taco or whatever is the main dish). so they put filler in to fill out the lunch. but it has to be very low in calaries

To be fair you should be able to fill up on 850/700/650 calories at that age level. Boneless/Skinless Chicken breast plus veggies and you're still way under. Granted at some point you hit a cost ceiling.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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There are important distinctions to make. First, federal guidelines are just that. They are NOT a blueprint that MUST be followed to the letter. Even though the worst districts treat them like they are. Second, school lunches are controlled by the district, individual schools have little input. Third, some districts do very good jobs providing good food for their kids but, they're in the minority.

Finally, the worst school lunch programs out there can be fixed if parents and the community get involved. You see, the worst operations care only about the federal money and their control of it. They don't care what or, if the kids eat as long as the paperwork is processed correctly to ensure funding. If the local district is unresponsive and merely states they're complying with all federal guidelines, you complain to the National School Lunch Program directly.
 

waggy

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To be fair you should be able to fill up on 850/700/650 calories at that age level. Boneless/Skinless Chicken breast plus veggies and you're still way under. Granted at some point you hit a cost ceiling.

yeah but when you throw in student athletes/active kids that number goes out the window. a child athlete needs 4-6k calaries a day.

My daughter is a great example. she gets about 5k a day and still has trouble gaining weight. as it is she eats her lunch and has snacks in her locker (yes the school knows and allows it).

she is 3ft 10 inches and 51 lbs. she does 12-20 hours of gymnastics a week (depends on if they allow her to practice while my son is in teakwondo its in the same building) and works out and runs on her off days. My son does it with her but where she can do a bunch of pull ups/situps etc he stops at like 5 lol

my son is the same. he is slightly shorter but 53 lbs and has 3 hours of twekwondo/sparing and just started a "mma" and weapons class.

both eat like crazy. my son has some body fat but not much. my daughter does not.


neither one would be satisfied for long on these lunches.
 

OutHouse

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There are important distinctions to make. First, federal guidelines are just that. They are NOT a blueprint that MUST be followed to the letter. Even though the worst districts treat them like they are. Second, school lunches are controlled by the district, individual schools have little input. Third, some districts do very good jobs providing good food for their kids but, they're in the minority.

Finally, the worst school lunch programs out there can be fixed if parents and the community get involved. You see, the worst operations care only about the federal money and their control of it. They don't care what or, if the kids eat as long as the paperwork is processed correctly to ensure funding. If the local district is unresponsive and merely states they're complying with all federal guidelines, you complain to the National School Lunch Program directly.

umm dude these are mandates from the USDA put in place by federal law. they are by no means guidelines.
 
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