New, secret spin of NV40?

[Rincewind79]

The case is simple: a custom heatsink can damage the card in two ways; damaging the core or overheating. Same for CPU´s. If you damage the core, you get no replacement (happend often to early athlon/duron CPU´s); if the core is visibly intact, you have warranty. The shops in my town let you take a look at the core and you have to sign that the core is visible intact. Intel´s and AMD´s warranty clearly covers this. It´s not so clear for video cards, but if you change the cooler, monitor the temps (geforcetony changed the cooler because of high temps) and the card dies, it doesnt have to be the new cooling device. Might be, thats the question.


Now one thing thing you should check geforcetony:

I had heavy artifacts with my RADEON 9800NP, even after restart and in the BIOS. Turned out the Zalman ZM80HP was installed improperly! Changing to standard cooling solved the problem. Second installation with Zalman (maybe the fifth in total) went fine, no problems till now.

 

[zakee00]

this thread will be locked by tonight....
yeah, sorry tony about the cleartype thing. it was early the morning and i was pissed, took it out on the wrong person. im never going to be a detective
guys: the guy is honest. he got bad cards, sh!t happens.
hope you finally get a working card,
Nick
ps:

I ran some tests with that "Step into Liquid" video, and my CPU usage hovers between 60-65%, and my GPU temps DID rise from 51c to 62c while playing the video about 5 times. This doesn't jibe with previous reports of nearly 100% CPU usage and no GPU temp rise at all. So, I wonder if NVIDIA has done something to the GPU to fix the broken PureVideo. Who knows...

if you arent BSin, that is a good thing and a bad thing. could this mean that the new NV40's have purevideo fixed? could this also confirm that the older NV40's are physicly broken? were you using the 1080i trailer, or the lower res one?

 

[impemonk]

OH MAN THIS THREAD WAS SOOOOO INTENSE!!!!!! jkjk. I agree with Markie that the XFX can beat the Micro RC's anyday

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
At first, I did question the legitimacy of what you did. But now I'm starting to see that it is primarily a case of bad luck combined by a sh!tty company. There's a good chance that they're sending you RMA'd cards to replace your RMA'd card. Unless all of the cards are thoroughly tested/fixed before they are sent out, I could see how your problem could occur. However, keep in mind that installing aftermarket cooling still voids your warranty.

Without absolute proof to the contrary, I'm willing to give tony the benefit of the doubt too. I remember that during the heyday of the IBM 75GXP fiasco, there were a lot of people that RMA'ed due to failures, and ended up with a refurb drive that was either DOA or failed again soon after. Some people got a multiple string of DOA/flaky drives. Considering that the 6800s are fairly cutting-edge, and run at the limit of component safety in terms of power/cooling issues, it doesn't seem entirely unplausable that such a thing could happen.

Although I wonder about the possibility that the card purchased off of ebay might have been OC'ed/tampered with by the seller beforehand. (Was the ebay-purchased card the one that started this all? Some companies even will not extend the mfg warranty to anyone but the original purchaser from an authorized dealer.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
But that was a design flaw, an industry wide problem.
This is one guy modding cards and then they fail.

Not entirely true, I'm sure that I could dig up some threads about early 6800 adoptors that had issues with either temps or artifacting, at stock speeds with stock factory cooling. These cards are running close to the edge of their "engineering safety margin", or at least far closer than most any prior consumer cards have.

(Seems similar to the original PIII-1.13Ghz launch, the CPU had to be recalled, and the P4 3.6/3.8Ghz, that tend to thermal-throttle in many stock installations.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Rincewind79
This is my first time on the board! I just browsed the front page, saw this thread and had to register! First thing of interest was the possible NV40 respin, then this thread turned into "lets talk about Rollo". Makes me think of a very old SNES game: Rol(l)o to the Rescue

Except... it's usually the opposite. Sigh.

I'm likewise quite personally interested in any further info about the potential new version of the NV40 too. Some hard data would be nice.

Originally posted by: Rincewind79
I cant say whats true and whats not, but let me throw in my two cents:
You accused him of stealing 4 cards, you repeated that many times. He was talking about GPU size and you accused him of stealing! In Germany this is called "slander" or "character assassination" (translation from a online dictionary) and you could be sued for this. I would never do this, but the law would allow to.

That's a good point, and certainly puts the "high moral crusade" in a different light, doesn't it?

I would never defend fraud, but accusing someone without solid proof is nearly as bad. I'm just saying, let's assume guilt before innocence in this matter, and try to find out more info first, before the messenger is placed in front of the "official AT firing squad". (Somehow, I actually *could* picture Rollo being the head of a military firing squad. That's disturbing.)

Originally posted by: Rincewind79
Now all the things that died on me:
-my loved Enermax PSU run for TWO month without fan (faulty) before dying!

Not sure how that list is really relevant here, but I just wanted to comment that running a PSU without a fan is a really, really bad idea. If it's a good PSU, you're going to kill it, eventually. If it's a bad PSU... scary, bad things could happen. Like your house burning down. It's really not hard to replace most PSU's 80mm fans with a $3 replacement ball-bearing case fan, sometimes I do that right away (opening the seal and voiding the warranty on my PSU in the process), and replace what is usually a cheaper sleeve bearing factory-stock fan model with a ball-bearing one.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: zakee00
this thread will be locked by tonight....

Which is exactly what Rollo wanted, both the other 6800 AGP PVP thread, and this one. He don't want there to be any clear evidence of NV's "wrongdoing" in these matters, or the possibility of proving it.

Originally posted by: zakee00

I ran some tests with that "Step into Liquid" video, and my CPU usage hovers between 60-65%, and my GPU temps DID rise from 51c to 62c while playing the video about 5 times. This doesn't jibe with previous reports of nearly 100% CPU usage and no GPU temp rise at all. So, I wonder if NVIDIA has done something to the GPU to fix the broken PureVideo. Who knows...

if you arent BSin, that is a good thing and a bad thing. could this mean that the new NV40's have purevideo fixed? could this also confirm that the older NV40's are physicly broken? were you using the 1080i trailer, or the lower res one?

That is indeed interesting information, but some additional things need to be known before being allowed to draw any strong conclusions:
1) Was the system cold-booted, or allowed to "warm up" to ambient case/CPU/GPU temps before doing the temp measurements?
2) What was the CPU usage, with the other card, or with older drivers? What are the rest of the system specs?
3) Indeed, if it was the 720 version instead of the 1080 version, the test is sadly a bit invalid, although the GPU temp rise is still interesting.


Btw, "PureVideo" is a meaningless marketing term, like Intel's Centrino. The 6800's seperate programmable video processor is called the "PVP". Don't confuse the two.

 

[Sword]

I cant read all the post on this thread but I have to say this :

1-WD had a very POOR reputation before IBM got those very bad drives all around. So 6 in a row is not really impossible for me. We do not know the story so conclusions are only speculations.

2-Rollo is a very poor communicator. No matter if he is right or not, he should learn to turn 7 times his tong in his mouth before to talk.

3-The topic was not to flame GeForceTony but to discuss the new core thing

4-Why is it impossible to have a card that does not have the correct speed ? How could you believe that the normal distribution is not universal ? Why do you need to believe that people have bad intentions all the time just because weird things happen ?

5-I believe that some people here should take some statistic, production management, quality control and engineering courses so they could understand that WEIRD and STRANGE things happens in the real world.

My 2cents.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: zakee00
if you arent BSin, that is a good thing and a bad thing. could this mean that the new NV40's have purevideo fixed? could this also confirm that the older NV40's are physicly broken? were you using the 1080i trailer, or the lower res one?

Yes, in fact I was using the 1080 version of the trailer.

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
1) Was the system cold-booted, or allowed to "warm up" to ambient case/CPU/GPU temps before doing the temp measurements?
2) What was the CPU usage, with the other card, or with older drivers? What are the rest of the system specs?
3) Indeed, if it was the 720 version instead of the 1080 version, the test is sadly a bit invalid, although the GPU temp rise is still interesting.

Yes, the system WAS cold booted, and I did allow the card to warm up. When I first boot the system, it takes the card about 20 minutes or so to warm up from an initial temp of about 40c. As I stated, when I started testing, the card was at 51c and it rose to 62c.

The drivers I am using are the 67.66, and my previous card (the one that worked for about 2 weeks, then died) had a CPU usage of about 98% and the GPU temp never rose while playing the "Step into Liquid" trailer. I also was using the same 67.66 drivers.

EDIT: BTW, the rest of the system's specs are in my sig

 

[Gamingphreek]

As i said before. What a lot of you dont understand is nobody is holding anything against the OP personally. Im sure he understands that there is a chance, though slim that this can happen. YOu can imagine the elder forum members' skepticism as we deal with this crap all the time and 99% people are indeed lying and stealing. This is one of those outside chances.

I think a lot of you guys should lay off of Rollo. 99% of you haven't contributed to this thread or the semo-OT discussion in this thread. All you have done is come in and flame people, which IMO is trolling.

-Kevin

 

[SpeedTester]

Notice how you do not mention anything about him tampering with the GPU heatsinks. Courses mean jack,
try working like I did for the last 7 years in a microelectronic field. I know things slip through the system but 3 bad cards in a row is a total rarity. You think if he had three bad cards in a row there would only be a few posts in AT forum about XFX about a bad manufacturing batch? I dont think Tony did anything deliberatly wrong other then messing with the heatsink/fan. Perhaps his registry was set to automatically overclock his GPU without him knowing causing the cards to fail, who knows it could be his power supply.
Perhaps you should read through the entire thread before criticizing someone else's opinion.


Duvie, your real mature saying your going to have something in your tag about Rollo.
That simply is total childish behavior. And about only modding one card, how would one know
what kind of GPU rev it was without taking off the heatsink. If he didnt 'F' with the cards in the first
place most of us wouldnt have a problem with his delema.

I do hope Tony has goodluck with his last card, the 6800gt is my 1st nvidia in years and so far I am very happy with my pair, although they are BFG.

Originally posted by: Sword
I cant read all the post on this thread but I have to say this :

1-WD had a very POOR reputation before IBM got those very bad drives all around. So 6 in a row is not really impossible for me. We do not know the story so conclusions are only speculations.

2-Rollo is a very poor communicator. No matter if he is right or not, he should learn to turn 7 times his tong in his mouth before to talk.

3-The topic was not to flame GeForceTony but to discuss the new core thing

4-Why is it impossible to have a card that does not have the correct speed ? How could you believe that the normal distribution is not universal ? Why do you need to believe that people have bad intentions all the time just because weird things happen ?

5-I believe that some people here should take some statistic, production management, quality control and engineering courses so they could understand that WEIRD and STRANGE things happens in the real world.

My 2cents.

 

[zakee00]

so you are saying that with the old XFX card, your cpu useage was 100%? same drivers, everything? that really pisses my off because I bought a 6800GT for the same price you did, just a month earlier, and I don't get WM9 decode or encode....yet. one question: how are cards even decoding WM9 HD files if MS hasnt even released the DLL that allows you to do so?
Nick

 

[SpeedTester]

Exactly what I feel.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As i said before. What a lot of you dont understand is nobody is holding anything against the OP personally. Im sure he understands that there is a chance, though slim that this can happen. YOu can imagine the elder forum members' skepticism as we deal with this crap all the time and 99% people are indeed lying and stealing. This is one of those outside chances.

I think a lot of you guys should lay off of Rollo. 99% of you haven't contributed to this thread or the semo-OT discussion in this thread. All you have done is come in and flame people, which IMO is trolling.

-Kevin

 

[zakee00]

Perhaps his registry was set to automatically overclock his GPU without him knowing causing the cards to fail, who knows it could be his power supply.

even then, at least one of those 4 cards would have been able to do 370/110 or whatever it was in that screenit. 99.9% of 6800GTs can do ultra speeds.
he said he has a 500+W psu didn't he? antec was it?
Nick

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: zakee00
he said he has a 500+W psu didn't he? antec was it?

Yeah, I have an Antec 480w unit, so power shouldn't be a problem.

Originally posted by: zakee00
one question: how are cards even decoding WM9 HD files if MS hasnt even released the DLL that allows you to do so?

MS doesn't have to. The way the VP is supposed to work is that it automatically "detects" the WMV stream, and uses the onboard hardware acceleration to decode the stream. However, the VP is essentially not working on most 6800 cards, but it may be working on mine. Though I am not exactly sure, and I will not jump to that conclusion yet.

One more thing, is there anything else I can do to see if the VP is in fact functional on my card?

 

[zakee00]

encode video? has anyone tried that yet?

 

[Insomniak]

Hmm. Left this thread alone for a couple days and checked back in. Haven't we been having fun?

Guess I'll add my piece.

On honesty and dishonesty: My position on modding/overclocking has always been this - If you want to do it, fine, but be prepared to own it if you screw something up. Look at my signature. The processor, memory, and GPU are all running at spiked clocks. Know what I plan to do if one of them dies? Buy another one at retail. If you like to get every last ounce out of your system, feel free, but don't expect the manufacturer to cover your back.

Now, that said:

GeForceTony: If you're having problems over and over again with the same model card from the same company, you might, as some others have mentioned, want to ensure that there's nothing wrong with your hardware, specifically the PSU and motherboard. I know, you say you've done it already, but it bears mentioning again.

Secondly, if this fourth card goes south on you as well, go for a refund, and take your $400 somewhere else - my recommendation would be Leadtek or eVGA. They make excellent cards. Even if you can't get a refund, it might be best to bite the bullet and get away from XFX. I don't think much of them as a company - as far as I'm concerned they're in the same boat with PNY, which is one that deserves to be sunk.

Lastly, if Rollo does happen to be correct (and mind you, I'm not taking a position either way - I'm just saying if) and you are being a Return King, then you are scum and I hope hornets construct a nest on your balls while you sleep.

If not, then you have my sympathy. That luck is rather unfortunate, and I hope things take an upward turn for you soon.


EDIT: However, I do need to say that your last RMA was pretty low. If you put an NV5 on it, then you voided your warranty, regardless of whether or not you were having trouble beforehand. If you were having problems before putting the NV5 on it, you should've sent it back...again...

RMAing after a mod really has no excuse, and I can't give you quarter for that, nor if this newest one, that you have NV5'd takes a dive as well.

If you have any more trouble, I think it's only fair to the company and us consumers if you cut your losses and try another brand...maybe ATi even

 

[Fenuxx]

Also, for anyone that cares about the original topic, IF\WHEN this particular forum gets locked (which, I guess it will), I plan to start another, using a similar title, in which I DON'T WANT ANY FLAMING ABOUT ANYTHING OR ANYONE!!! The whole reason I started this thread was to get feedback about the broken VP, and if anyone had any idea if this particular spin of the chip (apparently from TSMC) had fixed anything at all.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
If you have any more trouble, I think it's only fair to the company and us consumers if you cut your losses and try another brand...maybe ATi even

I agree, that I may try to get a refund if this card goes bad, but I don't think it will (though never know for sure). If I can't, I'm SOL, and would have to get back my 5700U and bide with that for a while, as I don't have the funds to keep up (I'm 17, and a Senior in HS, with DeVry (going for a programming major) around the corner, plus car insurance, plus gas...). So, I don't really have the funds to back up another $400 purchase.

And in all truthfulness, I feel really bad to have had to RMA so many cards, and I have tried everything I can possibly do without killing the bank account. Hell, I've had to pay to ship these cards back each time, and the only reason I continue to do this is because I got a helluva deal on the card from eBay ($240 shipped), and as I said, the original card worked for about 2 months, so it isn't the seller's fault.

And NO, there is no way in hell I will get an ATI videocard. Look at my name, GeForceTony. It screams fanboy, and I am not ashamed to admit it. Besides, I have owned an ATI card in the past, and although I heard they have gotten better, I still don't want to venture into that territory again.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: geforcetony
Also, for anyone that cares about the original topic, IF\WHEN this particular forum gets locked (which, I guess it will), I plan to start another, using a similar title, in which I DON'T WANT ANY FLAMING ABOUT ANYTHING OR ANYONE!!! The whole reason I started this thread was to get feedback about the broken VP, and if anyone had any idea if this particular spin of the chip (apparently from TSMC) had fixed anything at all.

Which is grounds for a ban. If the mods lock a thread they do it for a reason, not for it to be opened back up again.

Also no the VPU is not supposed to handle this right now. Microsoft MUST release a modified DLL to give the instructions to offload all Video Encode/Decode opps to the VPU. Without it there is no Encode/Decode for WMV files.

-Kevin

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: SpeedTester
Notice how you do not mention anything about him tampering with the GPU heatsinks. Courses mean jack,
try working like I did for the last 7 years in a microelectronic field. I know things slip through the system but 3 bad cards in a row is a total rarity. You think if he had three bad cards in a row there would only be a few posts in AT forum about XFX about a bad manufacturing batch? I dont think Tony did anything deliberatly wrong other then messing with the heatsink/fan. Perhaps his registry was set to automatically overclock his GPU without him knowing causing the cards to fail, who knows it could be his power supply.
Perhaps you should read through the entire thread before criticizing someone else's opinion.


Duvie, your real mature saying your going to have something in your tag about Rollo.
That simply is total childish behavior. And about only modding one card, how would one know
what kind of GPU rev it was without taking off the heatsink. If he didnt 'F' with the cards in the first
place most of us wouldnt have a problem with his delema.

I do hope Tony has goodluck with his last card, the 6800gt is my 1st nvidia in years and so far I am very happy with my pair, although they are BFG.

Originally posted by: Sword
I cant read all the post on this thread but I have to say this :

1-WD had a very POOR reputation before IBM got those very bad drives all around. So 6 in a row is not really impossible for me. We do not know the story so conclusions are only speculations.

2-Rollo is a very poor communicator. No matter if he is right or not, he should learn to turn 7 times his tong in his mouth before to talk.

3-The topic was not to flame GeForceTony but to discuss the new core thing

4-Why is it impossible to have a card that does not have the correct speed ? How could you believe that the normal distribution is not universal ? Why do you need to believe that people have bad intentions all the time just because weird things happen ?

5-I believe that some people here should take some statistic, production management, quality control and engineering courses so they could understand that WEIRD and STRANGE things happens in the real world.

My 2cents.

For the first part...thank you!!!! I am sure Rollo will like it....Mods said this was OK..."forum chatter"


Secondly he said that the difference he noticed was between the last 2. Where does he say he knows the first 2 were of a certain rev or that he took the hsf off....He bought the NV5 to fix the overheating of the 3rd. The 2nd was DOA. so only the 3rd and the 4th appeared to be the ones he took the top off....I can read how about you???


I question the comment that both were tested with the 67.66 drivers...correct me if I am wrong but those have been only out for like 1 to 1-1/2 weeks right...Are the rma departments that fast nowadays??? I thouht you usually had to send them the card which takes time, they dink around a bit which takes time, and then they send you a new card which takes time, etc....That would be a fast turn around...

Oh Well I really dont care aboiut the modding thing. I like to hear more about potential rev of gpu chip that has PVP features. That is the method that has been lost in Rollo's attempt to silence us. By the way my sig will reference the fix to that!!!!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: Insomniak
If you have any more trouble, I think it's only fair to the company and us consumers if you cut your losses and try another brand...maybe ATi even

I agree, that I may try to get a refund if this card goes bad, but I don't think it will (though never know for sure). If I can't, I'm SOL, and would have to get back my 5700U and bide with that for a while, as I don't have the funds to keep up (I'm 17, and a Senior in HS, with DeVry (going for a programming major) around the corner, plus car insurance, plus gas...). So, I don't really have the funds to back up another $400 purchase.

And in all truthfulness, I feel really bad to have had to RMA so many cards, and I have tried everything I can possibly do without killing the bank account. Hell, I've had to pay to ship these cards back each time, and the only reason I continue to do this is because I got a helluva deal on the card from eBay ($240 shipped), and as I said, the original card worked for about 2 months, so it isn't the seller's fault.

And NO, there is no way in hell I will get an ATI videocard. Look at my name, GeForceTony. It screams fanboy, and I am not ashamed to admit it. Besides, I have owned an ATI card in the past, and although I heard they have gotten better, I still don't want to venture into that territory again.

That is a shame that you will buy one company over anothe simply because of brand loyalty. ATI cards a superb as are Nvidias cards. Right now i wouldn't buy the X8xx series simply because im not ready to upgrade, and i like all the features on the Nvidia cards. Last gen i wouldn't have even thought of buying Nvidia.

Now you will say but you did buy them... well im on a tight budget (Junior in high school with car gas etc) and i needed a VIVO enabled VIdeo card. This was the fastest 5900XT on the market and had the best bang for my buck.

Brand loyalty is stupid, and a waste of your hard earned money.

-Kevin

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: Insomniak
If you have any more trouble, I think it's only fair to the company and us consumers if you cut your losses and try another brand...maybe ATi even

I agree, that I may try to get a refund if this card goes bad, but I don't think it will (though never know for sure). If I can't, I'm SOL, and would have to get back my 5700U and bide with that for a while, as I don't have the funds to keep up (I'm 17, and a Senior in HS, with DeVry (going for a programming major) around the corner, plus car insurance, plus gas...). So, I don't really have the funds to back up another $400 purchase.

And in all truthfulness, I feel really bad to have had to RMA so many cards, and I have tried everything I can possibly do without killing the bank account. Hell, I've had to pay to ship these cards back each time, and the only reason I continue to do this is because I got a helluva deal on the card from eBay ($240 shipped), and as I said, the original card worked for about 2 months, so it isn't the seller's fault.

And NO, there is no way in hell I will get an ATI videocard. Look at my name, GeForceTony. It screams fanboy, and I am not ashamed to admit it. Besides, I have owned an ATI card in the past, and although I heard they have gotten better, I still don't want to venture into that territory again.

I dunno about a refund on this last one - you did remove the stock HSF, yes?

I think if this last one goes, you're just gonna have to bite the bullet and use the 5700U for a while longer.

I understand the dollars pinch, but that's where paying for performance comes into play - the rig in my signature is less than a month old, and after the new peripherals, it all came to about $1400 - no small amount for me. I'm currently a Junior in college renting my own place, and have grad school right around the corner...plus school, expenses, gas, etc.

It's not easy, but this is where planning comes in. If you don't have the extra dollars, overclocking or modding in any way shape or form is not a good idea. Pay for the amount of performance you want, and run it at stock with no mods. You may get slightly less of an experience, but it's airtight guaranteed. If anything goes wrong during the warranty period, you are in fact entitled to your replacement.

I'm afraid here, taking matters into your own hands with the NV5, you've somewhat screwed yourself. No, forget about the refund...if this card you have now buys the farm, consider a lesson learned, and buy another retail (NOT ebay) or revert to the 5700U.

As for NV vs. ATi, I prefer Big Green myself (I don't care what anyone says, I still think their drivers have the edge on ATi's for compatibility) but I don't think there's really anyone out there who can rationally say ATi makes bad cards or bad drivers. They got their act together with the r300 core, and until their recent availability debacle, they were playing pretty strong.

I say don't knock it til you've tried it - I've had ATi cards, and I went back to Nvidia because of my experiences - but yours may be different.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: SpeedTester
Notice how you do not mention anything about him tampering with the GPU heatsinks. Courses mean jack,
try working like I did for the last 7 years in a microelectronic field. I know things slip through the system but 3 bad cards in a row is a total rarity. You think if he had three bad cards in a row there would only be a few posts in AT forum about XFX about a bad manufacturing batch? I dont think Tony did anything deliberatly wrong other then messing with the heatsink/fan. Perhaps his registry was set to automatically overclock his GPU without him knowing causing the cards to fail, who knows it could be his power supply.
Perhaps you should read through the entire thread before criticizing someone else's opinion.


Duvie, your real mature saying your going to have something in your tag about Rollo.
That simply is total childish behavior. And about only modding one card, how would one know
what kind of GPU rev it was without taking off the heatsink. If he didnt 'F' with the cards in the first
place most of us wouldnt have a problem with his delema.

I do hope Tony has goodluck with his last card, the 6800gt is my 1st nvidia in years and so far I am very happy with my pair, although they are BFG.

Originally posted by: Sword
I cant read all the post on this thread but I have to say this :

1-WD had a very POOR reputation before IBM got those very bad drives all around. So 6 in a row is not really impossible for me. We do not know the story so conclusions are only speculations.

2-Rollo is a very poor communicator. No matter if he is right or not, he should learn to turn 7 times his tong in his mouth before to talk.

3-The topic was not to flame GeForceTony but to discuss the new core thing

4-Why is it impossible to have a card that does not have the correct speed ? How could you believe that the normal distribution is not universal ? Why do you need to believe that people have bad intentions all the time just because weird things happen ?

5-I believe that some people here should take some statistic, production management, quality control and engineering courses so they could understand that WEIRD and STRANGE things happens in the real world.

My 2cents.

I question the comment that both were tested with the 67.66 drivers...correct me if I am wrong but those have been only out for like 1 to 1-1/2 weeks right...Are the rma departments that fast nowadays??? I thouht you usually had to send them the card which takes time, they dink around a bit which takes time, and then they send you a new card which takes time, etc....That would be a fast turn around...

Although we have our disagreements Duvie you have a VERY good point about the drivers. They were released/compiled on January 10th. That is a pretty fast turn around.

-Kevin

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Which is grounds for a ban. If the mods lock a thread they do it for a reason, not for it to be opened back up again.

The reason that its gonna be locked is because there is a MAJOR flame war going on. All I want is a legitamate discussion about the "new" chip, and not a flame war. Besides, there have been new threads opened up on the same topic (think PureVideo) because the original was turned into a flame war, like this one. Just because I, and others, want to talk about something specific, and it is turned into a flame war, and thus, the thread is locked, does that mean it can't be discussed anymore? To my knowledge, it can be, just (hopefully) not another flame war (started by Rollo).