New, secret spin of NV40?

[Michael]

The only thing that is confusing me is that the country markings on the chips tend to be where it was assembled, not where the fab was. Plus I'd love to have it confiurmed that the markings have changed from China to Taiwan.

To be clear, I'm talking about the assembly of the chip, not the card. The assembly point can change with zero changes to the wafer.

If it moved from one assembly factory to another, then I could see there being a slight difference in the package. I wonder how you would notice it when it is still attached to the card, though. Slight differences in how the chip is attached to the card could easily explain an perceived height difference.

Michael

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
His "fire at will attitude" is probably cause by the years of crap like Faulty RMA's, and what not in this forum

There is no justification for an attitude like that. I've been here a lot longer than Rollo and yet somehow manage to not go on the offensive every time somebody downtalks ATI products. I can't understand how some people manage to take a piece of computer hardware so personally.

Is it ANY of your business to flame him about his beliefs... hell is it your business to judge him based on his beliefs... NO!

It seems ironic that you're upset with Acanthus flaming Rollo and yet defend Rollo's own verbal attacks. You might want to look in this thread to see just how BADLY Rollo flames others:

Forum Issues - Rollo is way out of line



Maybe before you flame you will think about who you are defending, and why.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well Creig i agree with you on many different things. However ill be straight forward with you. I dont like the way you post, and i think you are an absolute a**hat at times.

SO far you have brought Rollo up in virtually EVERY SINGLE thread you posted in. And dont say you didn't, because as i read it i simply shake my head. You are the primary reason he has to constantly do this crap. You never know when to shut up!

THat forum issues thread i have one response... GOD FORBID you ever go into the P&N forum. Why dont you grow some thick skin and get on with your life.

I haven't flamed anyone in this post or my other posts. This post if i come across as flaming i apologize but i am simply stating my beliefs.

So far the primary person who needs to think about this

Maybe before you flame you will think about who you are defending, and why.

is you.

-Kevin

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: SpeedTester
Funny how you talk crap now that Rollo is temporally banned. I'm not going to side with anyone 100% but attacking him now that he is banned is simply not cool.

FWIW, ditto.

So.. Tony.. which card do you currently have, the "old" GPU or the "new" GPU version? Run some tests for us or something, need some more info here, please..

 

[Creig]

Yes. And if you do have to take your HSF off for whatever reason, a pic would be nice along with copying down whatever information is printed on the core.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig
Yes. And if you do have to take your HSF off for whatever reason, a pic would be nice along with copying down whatever information is printed on the core.

Yeah lol... If you are going to void the warranty at least let us have some fun :beer:

-Kevin

 

[lavaheadache]

Just giving my 2 cents. I only read the first couple of pages of this thread before i ultimately decide on this: First off, I admire Rollo's suspicion. What I dont admire is his schoolboy tactics of tattletailing. When I was growing up my folks would ground me for telling on my brothers for crap like this, while they were the ones doing something wrong. I learned my lesson and now I mind my own business. Maybe he should too. Being a new member to this forum im not trying to get off on the wrong foot but, if this is the kind of BS that goes on here....... I feel for geforcetony as he is in the middle of what I like to call SWPOS (stuck with piece of sh*t product), so instead of accussing him of wrong doing I offer him advice........ sell your current working card to some unsuspecting noob on ebay (hehe) and get yourself a real gfx card maybe of the x800 flavor (just my opinion). To those of you that are baggering him about changing is stock heatsink to the nvsilencer wtf? Thats like telling all of us that have 9800 pros and such that we should make do with that metal paperweight they call a cooling solution. There are reason why people change stock components. Ok now that i spent 15 mins typing this(I havent gotten beyond 2 finger poking yet), I will continue my aimless meandering around the forum to see who else i can stick up for. Hope I didnt not offend anyone, and if I did maybe Rollo can tell on me to someone.

 

[razor2025]

I just read/browsed through this thread, and BOY did it went off to a sizable flamewar.

Here's my take on modding then RMAing cards;

SO WHAT? If enthusiasts weren't around in squeezing performance/ silencing noise, then nVidia and ATI wouldn't be making all these video cards (nor numerous aftermarket companies springing up with new products to mod said cards. All of you should be grateful that we have enthusiasts that gives the companies a reason to keep on making new cards. Hell, we could be all stuck with our TNT2s if it weren't for those who always wanted "more". Card Manufactures / Reseller knows that they'll lose some money on giving out RMA services to questionable RMAs. But that's how it works. It's called "competetion". If they want to gain market share, they'll have to appeal more to their customer base, which are enthusiasts. If manufacture/reseller feels that they need to raise their cost of the cards in order to offsets cost caused by defects or someone like Tony, then so be it. Because SOMEONE ELSE will always be able to beat them, and take away their market share. And if you want to whine about people like Tony raising your cost of buying components. TOO BAD. That's how the world works. Ever wonder why insurance is so high, even though you're a low-risk person? Because that same insurance company also has to cover numerous high-risk people, and they need to charge low-risk people certain amount to offset their cost of having high-risk customers.

There you go, there's my take on it. Society always have to pay up for action by select few. And this whole Video Card RMA - Card Cost thing is the same principle. I don't condone acts like Tony, nor do I hate/berate/flame someone who did the samething as Tony did. If Tony felt it was justifiable RMAing his card back to XFX, then that's it. I don't think ANYONE has any grounds on bashing Tony. Nor will your opinon make ANY difference.

On a side note. It's quite interesting how things have progressed with "modding" scene. These manufacture are constantly marketing about how "enthusiast friendly" their cards are, and even bundle software that overclocks the cards. Why bother doing something like that, if they REALLY wanted to prevent RMA on modded cards? Because they have to compete with other companies. If they want to stand out, they'll have to resort to those marketing. And such marketing will always cost them, in terms of RMA and advertising costs.

 

[Azndude51]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I just read/browsed through this thread, and BOY did it went off to a sizable flamewar.

Here's my take on modding then RMAing cards;

SO WHAT? If enthusiasts weren't around in squeezing performance/ silencing noise, then nVidia and ATI wouldn't be making all these video cards (nor numerous aftermarket companies springing up with new products to mod said cards. All of you should be grateful that we have enthusiasts that gives the companies a reason to keep on making new cards. Hell, we could be all stuck with our TNT2s if it weren't for those who always wanted "more". Card Manufactures / Reseller knows that they'll lose some money on giving out RMA services to questionable RMAs. But that's how it works. It's called "competetion". If they want to gain market share, they'll have to appeal more to their customer base, which are enthusiasts. If manufacture/reseller feels that they need to raise their cost of the cards in order to offsets cost caused by defects or someone like Tony, then so be it. Because SOMEONE ELSE will always be able to beat them, and take away their market share. And if you want to whine about people like Tony raising your cost of buying components. TOO BAD. That's how the world works. Ever wonder why insurance is so high, even though you're a low-risk person? Because that same insurance company also has to cover numerous high-risk people, and they need to charge low-risk people certain amount to offset their cost of having high-risk customers.

There you go, there's my take on it. Society always have to pay up for action by select few. And this whole Video Card RMA - Card Cost thing is the same principle. I don't condone acts like Tony, nor do I hate/berate/flame someone who did the samething as Tony did. If Tony felt it was justifiable RMAing his card back to XFX, then that's it. I don't think ANYONE has any grounds on bashing Tony. Nor will your opinon make ANY difference.

On a side note. It's quite interesting how things have progressed with "modding" scene. These manufacture are constantly marketing about how "enthusiast friendly" their cards are, and even bundle software that overclocks the cards. Why bother doing something like that, if they REALLY wanted to prevent RMA on modded cards? Because they have to compete with other companies. If they want to stand out, they'll have to resort to those marketing. And such marketing will always cost them, in terms of RMA and advertising costs.

So you must've RMAed a bunch of overclocked/modded cards haven't you?

 

[dbuttcheek69]

i dont understand why you have to be such i b!tch Rollo

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Maybe before you you flame you will think about who you are insulting, and why.

-Kevin

If everybody did that, there would be no bans. Mind you I got flamed for asking questions about a hard drive and was told it was "user error". Anyways Seagate disagreed after hearing the whole story and said rma immediately. Still I kept it after a second 0 fill format seemed to fix it, (told seagate this also, but was told to rma as drive is likely unstable). Not because I am honest, just stupid and too lazy to pack it up and send it away. Rollo's problem was he insulted anyone who was deemed a threat to Nvidia in a personal manner. As you generally support Nvidia, you were spared this delight.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I just read/browsed through this thread, and BOY did it went off to a sizable flamewar.

Here's my take on modding then RMAing cards;

SO WHAT? If enthusiasts weren't around in squeezing performance/ silencing noise, then nVidia and ATI wouldn't be making all these video cards (nor numerous aftermarket companies springing up with new products to mod said cards. All of you should be grateful that we have enthusiasts that gives the companies a reason to keep on making new cards. Hell, we could be all stuck with our TNT2s if it weren't for those who always wanted "more". Card Manufactures / Reseller knows that they'll lose some money on giving out RMA services to questionable RMAs. But that's how it works. It's called "competetion". If they want to gain market share, they'll have to appeal more to their customer base, which are enthusiasts. If manufacture/reseller feels that they need to raise their cost of the cards in order to offsets cost caused by defects or someone like Tony, then so be it. Because SOMEONE ELSE will always be able to beat them, and take away their market share. And if you want to whine about people like Tony raising your cost of buying components. TOO BAD. That's how the world works. Ever wonder why insurance is so high, even though you're a low-risk person? Because that same insurance company also has to cover numerous high-risk people, and they need to charge low-risk people certain amount to offset their cost of having high-risk customers.

There you go, there's my take on it. Society always have to pay up for action by select few. And this whole Video Card RMA - Card Cost thing is the same principle. I don't condone acts like Tony, nor do I hate/berate/flame someone who did the samething as Tony did. If Tony felt it was justifiable RMAing his card back to XFX, then that's it. I don't think ANYONE has any grounds on bashing Tony. Nor will your opinon make ANY difference.

On a side note. It's quite interesting how things have progressed with "modding" scene. These manufacture are constantly marketing about how "enthusiast friendly" their cards are, and even bundle software that overclocks the cards. Why bother doing something like that, if they REALLY wanted to prevent RMA on modded cards? Because they have to compete with other companies. If they want to stand out, they'll have to resort to those marketing. And such marketing will always cost them, in terms of RMA and advertising costs.

So if you put a bolt-on turbocharger on an '05 focus and deep-fry the engine. Not only is that ok, because it boosts performance, but ford should cover it if it breaks.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Maybe before you you flame you will think about who you are insulting, and why.

-Kevin

If everybody did that, there would be no bans. Mind you I got flamed for asking questions about a hard drive and was told it was "user error". Anyways Seagate disagreed after hearing the whole story and said rma immediately. Still I kept it after a second 0 fill format seemed to fix it, (told seagate this also, but was told to rma as drive is likely unstable). Not because I am honest, just stupid and too lazy to pack it up and send it away. Rollo's problem was he insulted anyone who was deemed a threat to Nvidia in a personal manner. As you generally support Nvidia, you were spared this delight.

I did not flame. Nor did i accuse you in the manner that Rollo did.

Moreover i was aiming that message at Creig who has been following him from thread to thread.

i dont understand why you have to be such i b!tch Rollo

No one understands why you are a troll. Now click this and do us all a favor.

Seriously Rollo is on vacation now. Whether you agree with it or not is your own business. Stop posting a whole mess of crap about him behind his back. Just keep it to the PM's or to yourself.

-Kevin

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

No one understands why you are a troll. Now click this and do us all a favor.

That link makes no sense

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: razor2025
I just read/browsed through this thread, and BOY did it went off to a sizable flamewar.

Here's my take on modding then RMAing cards;

SO WHAT? If enthusiasts weren't around in squeezing performance/ silencing noise, then nVidia and ATI wouldn't be making all these video cards (nor numerous aftermarket companies springing up with new products to mod said cards. All of you should be grateful that we have enthusiasts that gives the companies a reason to keep on making new cards. Hell, we could be all stuck with our TNT2s if it weren't for those who always wanted "more". Card Manufactures / Reseller knows that they'll lose some money on giving out RMA services to questionable RMAs. But that's how it works. It's called "competetion". If they want to gain market share, they'll have to appeal more to their customer base, which are enthusiasts. If manufacture/reseller feels that they need to raise their cost of the cards in order to offsets cost caused by defects or someone like Tony, then so be it. Because SOMEONE ELSE will always be able to beat them, and take away their market share. And if you want to whine about people like Tony raising your cost of buying components. TOO BAD. That's how the world works. Ever wonder why insurance is so high, even though you're a low-risk person? Because that same insurance company also has to cover numerous high-risk people, and they need to charge low-risk people certain amount to offset their cost of having high-risk customers.

There you go, there's my take on it. Society always have to pay up for action by select few. And this whole Video Card RMA - Card Cost thing is the same principle. I don't condone acts like Tony, nor do I hate/berate/flame someone who did the samething as Tony did. If Tony felt it was justifiable RMAing his card back to XFX, then that's it. I don't think ANYONE has any grounds on bashing Tony. Nor will your opinon make ANY difference.

On a side note. It's quite interesting how things have progressed with "modding" scene. These manufacture are constantly marketing about how "enthusiast friendly" their cards are, and even bundle software that overclocks the cards. Why bother doing something like that, if they REALLY wanted to prevent RMA on modded cards? Because they have to compete with other companies. If they want to stand out, they'll have to resort to those marketing. And such marketing will always cost them, in terms of RMA and advertising costs.

So if you put a bolt-on turbocharger on an '05 focus and deep-fry the engine. Not only is that ok, because it boosts performance, but ford should cover it if it breaks.

The Focus comes pre-broken from the Ford Factory.
:shocked:

Bad example.
:roll:

You mede the perfect example of what is wrong here, Acanthus. Baseless suspicion. Get used to the fact that the world is not the 'ideal' you think it is nor may it agree with your POW or "morals".

Try to stick to the topic and be tolerant of others. Unless you like to contribute to Forum Disharmony.

 

[genghislegacy]

didn't read all the threads here (14 pages!!!) but nowadays NVIDIA chipset is like the CPU with the die exposed, so modding it can easily damage the chipset - still remember the same case with old AMD CPU. Geforcetony must have done a good job covering the mods when he return it. nothing personal against you Geforcetony but XFX is really having bad luck on having you as a customer. You should try BFG as well as they offer lifetime warrenty and you can have as many mods as you like - lifetime mods.

 

[The Green Bean]

ok I read the first couple of pages...Im with rollo here...Geforce tony is a fake...That coolbits pic...its clocked at "374"...And the riva tuner says 374.54...No ways a computer would make a mistake in rounding off 375.54 to 375!!!

 

[lavaheadache]

um, for example my bios tells me my xp 2700 runs at 2300 but cpuid tells me 2305mhz hmm mysterious. Also my 9800 pro registers as 378 core and 342 mem not the advertised 380 core 340 ddr mem. so you hatim are are in fact incorrect, computers will round off numbers up or down or maybe there is a margin of error. Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

No one understands why you are a troll. Now click this and do us all a favor.

I too must be missing something.

 

[fstime]

So this thread isn't locked yet?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I feel for geforcetony as he is in the middle of what I like to call SWPOS (stuck with piece of sh*t product), so instead of accussing him of wrong doing I offer him advice........ sell your current working card to some unsuspecting noob on ebay (hehe)

...and the Wheel 'O Karma cycle continues... the tao of ying and yang... GeForces with re-incarnated warranties, under each new owner...

Heh. More seriously, there is a thead in GH about someone else with three bad 6800GTs . So I guess "bad luck" like that isn't exactly limited to tony here. (The other cards were BFG, not XFX ones.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: hatim
ok I read the first couple of pages...Im with rollo here...Geforce tony is a fake...That coolbits pic...its clocked at "374"...And the riva tuner says 374.54...No ways a computer would make a mistake in rounding off 375.54 to 375!!!

You obviously know nothing about how high-freq clock circuits work, when combined with cost-cutting, lower-tolerance components, and how most software (while running under a multi-tasking OS) measures the clock speeds. Some error variance like that is actually quite normal. I think the greater issue was why it was clocked at ~375, when factory stock was supposed to be ~350. For that, I have no idea. But as Pete pointed out, the clock-divisors are in fact "correct", in that they do match up to 350/1000, which suggests that the base reference clock was either mis-set or had drifted significantly. However, I don't buy that would have happened to *two* cards, and tony still hasn't offered an explaination for how he measured a "dead" card's clocks... hmm.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Plumcuda1

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: RolloThere's nothing wrong with XFX, there's something wrong with GeForce Tony for stealing three video cards from honest people so he can try to get "free" performance clocking it at 374/535.

He's contributing to the cost you all pay for these cards, apparently has no honor whatsoever, and should be reviled for making a post like:

WAIT!!! OK, I'm not stealing ANYBODY's videocard. The reason the card is clocked at 374\535 is because that is what it is set at FACTORY in the BIOS, if I had webspace to upload a picture of RivaTuner and CoolBits settings, I would happily provide a link so you can see the proof for yourself. In fact, I am NOT OVERCLOCKING ANYTHING in my system. Also, this is only the second card that I have had from XFX clocked at these speeds (the 2 cards have the same BIOS rev). I have had cards from XFX with the following speeds:

350\500 - the first 6800GT that died about 2 months after I got it
370\500 - the second 6800GT that was dead when I got it
374\535 - the last 2 cards I got, the first was good for about two and a half weeks, and the other, I'm using.

Don't accuse me of something unless you know your facts, Rollo, which you didn't.

Ok I am lost ... what are factory clock speeds for a 6800GT??
Mine is 350/1000 ... what am I missing here?

Some cards come overclocked... like my BFG6800GT OC... I've heard from other people that they're clocked at 370/500... but mine seems to be special I guess?

Coolbits Screenshot

 

[saechaka]

what happened to these promised whole screen schots geforetony was going to post? just wonderin

 

[genghislegacy]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: hatim
ok I read the first couple of pages...Im with rollo here...Geforce tony is a fake...That coolbits pic...its clocked at "374"...And the riva tuner says 374.54...No ways a computer would make a mistake in rounding off 375.54 to 375!!!

You obviously know nothing about how high-freq clock circuits work, when combined with cost-cutting, lower-tolerance components, and how most software (while running under a multi-tasking OS) measures the clock speeds. Some error variance like that is actually quite normal. I think the greater issue was why it was clocked at ~375, when factory stock was supposed to be ~350. For that, I have no idea. But as Pete pointed out, the clock-divisors are in fact "correct", in that they do match up to 350/1000, which suggests that the base reference clock was either mis-set or had drifted significantly. However, I don't buy that would have happened to *two* cards, and tony still hasn't offered an explaination for how he measured a "dead" card's clocks... hmm.

Right. With all these, I start wondering which of the things geforcetony says is true...

 

[Lufusol]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Alright, gefrocetony, i didn' t want to slam you and whatever yuor ethics are nut i have to expose a lie.
remember, i dont know or care weather you "stole" or legimiately RMAed 4 gf6900gts from XFX, but you profile clearly states you are a a k-12 student in Arizona!

It's fun posting when you're drunk, isn't it? I'm sorry, that wasn't fair. Maybe you're just a K-12 student.

NO way you are A+ certified and dont bother to reply saying you have a side job or something and you ARE A+ certified. show me a pic of your certification certificate/ test results and i'll believe you!

A+ cert takes so much time, no middle/high schooler is ever likely to be a+ certified. no way you had time for homework, a+ classes or study, school, other stuff.

LOL. There's no age restriction on A+. It is not the hardest certification to get. If you've been working with computers your entire life, you may barely need to study for it. Sure, that kind of talent is a gift, but it's not unrealistic, and don't be jealous. Everyone has their strengths and weakneses. Even without a 'knack' for computers and a lifelong experience to develop it, you can take a series of night courses which last all of a couple months before you're ready to ace the A+. I'm sorry you feel that the A+ is such an insurmountable achievement, you must have worked very hard for yours.

i dont give a damn how hard you screw a company like xfx over, but NEVER lie on these forums.

Or else...!

Threads like this make me glad I'm a lurker at most forums. I should know better than to react here, but what the hell, this thread has become a recreational crapfest.

On topic, I have an XFX 6600GT, is the "PVP" supposed to work properly on these cards? How is one to tell the difference?

-Luf