New US Army rifle uses radio controlled bullets..

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The U.S. army is to begin using a futuristic rifle that fires radio-controlled 'smart' bullets in Afghanistan for the first time, it has emerged.
The XM25 rifle uses bullets that be programmed to explode when they have travelled a set distance, allowing enemies to be targeted no matter where they are hiding.
The rifle also has a range of 2,300 feet making it possible to hit target which are well out of the reach of conventional rifles.
The XM25 is being developed specially for the U.S. army and will be deployed with troops from later this month, it was revealed today.



The XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement System has a range of roughly 2,300 feet - and is to be deployed in Afghanistan this month

The rifle's gunsight uses a laser rangefinder to determine the exact distance to the obstruction, after which the soldier can add or subtract up to 3 metres from that distance to enable the bullets to clear the barrier and explode above or beside the target.
Soldiers will be able to use them to target snipers hidden in trenches rather than calling in air strikes.
The 25-millimetre round contains a chip that receives a radio signal from the gunsight as to the precise distance to the target.
Lt. Col. Christopher Lehner, project manager for the system, described the weapon as a ‘game-changer’ that other nations will try and copy.
He expects the Army to buy 12,500 of the XM25 rifles this year, enough for every member of the infantry and special forces.
Lehner told FoxNews: ‘With this weapon system, we take away cover from [enemy targets] forever.
‘Tactics are going to have to be rewritten. The only thing we can see [enemies] being able to do is run away.’

Experts say the rifle means that enemy troops will no longer be safe if they take cover

The XM25 appears perfect weapon for street-to-street fighting that troops in Afghanistan have to engage in, with enemy fighters hiding behind walls and only breaking cover to fire ocasionally.
The weapon's laser finder would work out how far away the enemy was and then the U.S. soldier would add one metre using a button near the trigger. When fired, the explosive round would carry exactly one metre past the wall and explode with the force of a hand grenade above the Taliban fighter.
The army's project manager for new weapons, Douglas Tamilio, said: ''This is the first leap-ahead technology for troops that we've been able to develop and deploy.'
A patent granted to the bullet's maker, Alliant Techsystems, reveals that the chip can calculate how far it has travelled.
Mr Tamilio said: 'You could shoot a Javelin missile, and it would cost £43,000. These rounds will end up costing £15.50 apiece. They're relatively cheap.
Lehner added: ‘This is a game-changer. The enemy has learned to get cover, for hundreds if not thousands of years.
‘Well, they can't do that anymore. We're taking that cover from them and there's only two outcomes: We're going to get you behind that cover or force you to flee.’
The rifle will initially use high-explosive rounds, but its makers say that it might later use versions with smaller explosive charges that aim to stun rather than kill.

One of the revolutionary bullets which can be pre-programmed to explode to hit troops that are hiding

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...S-troops-Afghanistan-month.html#ixzz16hqUQgw2
 

rudder

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futuristic? The navy used smart shells in WW2. Saved a heck of a lot of ammo by using radar enabled fuses to explode near their target.

Still cool nontheless.
 

theflyingpig

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I support anything that allows our troops to slaughter the enemy more effectively. The faster the enemy dies, the sooner the war ends. Everyone knows this.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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futuristic? The navy used smart shells in WW2. Saved a heck of a lot of ammo by using radar enabled fuses to explode near their target.

Still cool nontheless.

Yea, having an AA gun with proximity fuses is a lot easier than a 25mm rifle that can quickly rangefind/set distance of each shot.
 

Zebo

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Pretty sweet! Let hope this works as advertised and is really is a game changer and disables enemy moral. Thinking about it I can't imagine a safe place to hide with high explosives detonating behind or on top of you while taking cover. Maybe Taliban will hit and run with babies on their backs and rely on our softness.
 

Zebo

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I support anything that allows our troops to slaughter the enemy more effectively. The faster the enemy dies, the sooner the war ends. Everyone knows this.

It's success, assuming it works, is predicated on how restrictive will the rules of engagement will be. Already, with regular rifles, there is no shooting into buildings. Limited indirectfire and CAS. With a high explosive going every direction I'm sure even more restrictions.
 

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Anything that makes the life of our soldiers easier is more then welcome. Now hopefully, there will be a few spares for your Canadian friends.
 

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If this was ever used to shoot someone directly, it seems it might be illegal under the Hague Convention or the St. Petersburg Declaration, depending on the weight of the projectile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet said:
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use in international warfare of bullets which easily expand or flatten in the body, giving as example a bullet with a jacket with incisions or one that does not fully cover the core.[13] This prohibition was an expansion of the Declaration of St Petersburg in 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Petersburg_Declaration_of_1868 said:
The Great Powers agreed to renounce, in case of war among themselves, the use of any explosive projectile of less weight than 400 grams (14 ounces avoirdupois) or one charged with fulminating or inflammable substances.

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The distinction between "explosive" and "fulminating" bullets is academic but important.
  • An "explosive" bullet contains an explosive filler that detonates on impact.
  • A "fulminating" bullet contains a small unstable high explosive charge and is designed to shatter into fragments after impact or inside the wound. They also have the added potential of detonating when jarred or while being removed, complicating first aid or surgery.
 

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If this was ever used to shoot someone directly, it seems it might be illegal under the Hague Convention or the St. Petersburg Declaration, depending on the weight of the projectile.

Well let's consider something: this is not a bullet. It's a shell, similar to those found in grenade launchers.... scratch that, exactly the same type of round found in grenade launchers, and the XM25 is exactly that, a grenade launcher.
However, the rounds are a little smaller, and not all the rounds must be true grenades, but the purpose remains the same.

It's a super smart grenade launcher. And it would almost certainly be against the various Conventions to use to hit a person directly - but shit happens, and when a projectile is launched toward a group, you can't guarantee you didn't end up having perfect aim, or that one of the assholes ending up moving into the path of the incoming projectile. Not to mention, one of these rounds getting stuck into one person would almost certainly be a waste of ammo - we want these to take out groups of those pricks, not one. Use a cheaper round if you just want to hit one.
 

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Well let's consider something: this is not a bullet. It's a shell, similar to those found in grenade launchers.... scratch that, exactly the same type of round found in grenade launchers, and the XM25 is exactly that, a grenade launcher.
However, the rounds are a little smaller, and not all the rounds must be true grenades, but the purpose remains the same.

It's a super smart grenade launcher. And it would almost certainly be against the various Conventions to use to hit a person directly - but shit happens, and when a projectile is launched toward a group, you can't guarantee you didn't end up having perfect aim, or that one of the assholes ending up moving into the path of the incoming projectile. Not to mention, one of these rounds getting stuck into one person would almost certainly be a waste of ammo - we want these to take out groups of those pricks, not one. Use a cheaper round if you just want to hit one.

That's why you don't aim at the person, you aim at their equipment....like say a belt buckle.
 

Zebo

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If this was ever used to shoot someone directly, it seems it might be illegal under the Hague Convention or the St. Petersburg Declaration, depending on the weight of the projectile.

Good luck proving that. These detonate on time fuse. There will be not any evidence if it gets stuck in someone milliseconds afterward.
 

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Knowing the army, it will probably be possible to send out a signal to the incoming round telling it to explode immediately.

-KeithP
 
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Rubycon

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Knowing the army, it will probably be possible to send out a single to the incoming round telling it to explode immediately.

-KeithP

Stuxnet-II will do this exactly by foiling positional data and set these rounds to blow precisely when they're in the hands - of THEIR foes.
 

MarkXIX

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Stuxnet-II will do this exactly by foiling positional data and set these rounds to blow precisely when they're in the hands - of THEIR foes.

If I recall correctly, the round is programmed just as it leaves the weapon. It is fire and forget, not fire and program along the way as implied in the article and OP.
 

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is it really radio controlled or is it a timed fuse?
 
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