New WTC design!

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Stunt
Titanium is over $8,000 per tonne.

Compare this to other metals

ALUMINIUM $1,709
COPPER $3,578
LEAD $953
NICKEL $14,905
TIN $7,305
ZINC $1,225

Titanium also has a higher strength to weight ratio than those other metals. What's the blast protection afforded by those other metals in comparison to, say, a 1/4" thick plate of titanium? iow, how thick would an aluminum sheet have to be to provide the same protection?

That wasn't the point I was making.
I was pointing out prices to compare the price of titanium, it will be an expensive building, considering the bottom 200 floors get this treatment.

You are correct, the metals listed are not replacements.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: tss4

Sure, but it would be naive to think that the tallest building in the world woudn't be a terrorist target, so precautions life this are a good idea. Besides, I'm willing to bet they've designed this one to take a direct hit from a 747. I'd be shocked if they hadnt.

I don't think that it will be the tallest building in the world when it opens.

why? do you know of plans to make another taller building?

There's the building in Dubai, supposedly to be 2300+ feet. I think that it's supposed to open in 2008.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt
"its 200-foot base will be covered in steel and titanium intended to make it blast-resistant."

Wow...I wonder the price tag on this sucker...

seriously! a titanium building is crazy. this just shows america's attitude more than making it "terrorist proof" as they will just choose a softer target next time around, or build a bigger bomb.

Last time the terrorists hit, they didn't hit the base.
Also, there are countless other targets other than this new tower. Lightning rarly hits twice.

Sure, but it would be naive to think that the tallest building in the world woudn't be a terrorist target, so precautions life this are a good idea. Besides, I'm willing to bet they've designed this one to take a direct hit from a 747. I'd be shocked if they hadnt.

Direct hit from a 747?!...I didn't see anything in the article touting that.
I'd be surprised if they could do that...
It's a tall building, and hitting it halfway up will add the weight of the floors above.

Yes a 747. Supposedly, the original WTC fell due to the burning fuel, not because of the initial damage from the impact.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Stunt
Titanium is over $8,000 per tonne.

Compare this to other metals

ALUMINIUM $1,709
COPPER $3,578
LEAD $953
NICKEL $14,905
TIN $7,305
ZINC $1,225

Titanium also has a higher strength to weight ratio than those other metals. What's the blast protection afforded by those other metals in comparison to, say, a 1/4" thick plate of titanium? iow, how thick would an aluminum sheet have to be to provide the same protection?

That wasn't the point I was making.
I was pointing out prices to compare the price of titanium, it will be an expensive building, considering the bottom 200 floors get this treatment.

You are correct, the metals listed are not replacements.

I was actually saying more than the metals are not direct replacements. You cannot just compare costs by the ton. How many 4' x 8' sheets of 1/4" thick titanium are produced from one ton compared to a ton of lead or copper?

Aluminum could compete with titanium solely on a weight comparison. But aluminum would afford cruddy blast protection and wouldn't be a viable alternative to use, unless you made it massively thick, which would erode both the weight and cost benefit.

Edit: C'mon Stunt. U r a enganear now and should know to consider that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's have them build it, then we can chip in some cash, have NY seize it, mow it down, and build a mall.

Let's have something America really stands for.

 

[AnyMal]

I still like Trump's idea better, though this design looks much nicer then previously published one's.

 

[NeenerNeener]

I like the futuristic design too. All that's lacking is anti-aircraft super lasers or a giant microwave cannon or a particle beam. Perhaps I'll just save that stuff for my christmas wish list.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: tss4

Sure, but it would be naive to think that the tallest building in the world woudn't be a terrorist target, so precautions life this are a good idea. Besides, I'm willing to bet they've designed this one to take a direct hit from a 747. I'd be shocked if they hadnt.

I don't think that it will be the tallest building in the world when it opens.

why? do you know of plans to make another taller building?

yep. Already at least two building in construction that will be taller than this.

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: tss4

Sure, but it would be naive to think that the tallest building in the world woudn't be a terrorist target, so precautions life this are a good idea. Besides, I'm willing to bet they've designed this one to take a direct hit from a 747. I'd be shocked if they hadnt.

I don't think that it will be the tallest building in the world when it opens.

why? do you know of plans to make another taller building?

yep. Already at least two building in construction that will be taller than this.

Here's one of them. Big Tower

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt
"its 200-foot base will be covered in steel and titanium intended to make it blast-resistant."

Wow...I wonder the price tag on this sucker...

seriously! a titanium building is crazy. this just shows america's attitude more than making it "terrorist proof" as they will just choose a softer target next time around, or build a bigger bomb.

Last time the terrorists hit, they didn't hit the base.
Also, there are countless other targets other than this new tower. Lightning rarly hits twice.

thats what i'm saying is that this is a 'feel good' upgrade.

That's silly. The upgrade takes away one possible attack route. That helps. No structure is impervious to attack, but you can lower the chances by limiting the threats.

How about adopting policies that don't assist the terror recruiters instead? Cheaper in the long run, I would bet.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I like this design more than the other one, but I still think it looks weird in its environment...like some sort of futuristic building surrounded by non-futuristic buildings...

Yeah, that's my feeling too. Like some sort of Jetsons building. It's OK I guess. Just rebuild the damned towers one floor higher like the Donald said!

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt
"its 200-foot base will be covered in steel and titanium intended to make it blast-resistant."

Wow...I wonder the price tag on this sucker...

seriously! a titanium building is crazy. this just shows america's attitude more than making it "terrorist proof" as they will just choose a softer target next time around, or build a bigger bomb.

Last time the terrorists hit, they didn't hit the base.
Also, there are countless other targets other than this new tower. Lightning rarly hits twice.

thats what i'm saying is that this is a 'feel good' upgrade.

That's silly. The upgrade takes away one possible attack route. That helps. No structure is impervious to attack, but you can lower the chances by limiting the threats.

How about adopting policies that don't assist the terror recruiters instead? Cheaper in the long run, I would bet.

The designers of the building have no control over U.S. policy. So, given U.S. policy which is out of their control, these precautions make sense.

 

[arsbanned]

Ahhh, but those who have control of U.S. policy have control over the design of the building. Sure, string razor wire around the perimeter too. Titanium razor wire.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Stunt
"its 200-foot base will be covered in steel and titanium intended to make it blast-resistant."

Wow...I wonder the price tag on this sucker...

seriously! a titanium building is crazy. this just shows america's attitude more than making it "terrorist proof" as they will just choose a softer target next time around, or build a bigger bomb.

Last time the terrorists hit, they didn't hit the base.
Also, there are countless other targets other than this new tower. Lightning rarly hits twice.

thats what i'm saying is that this is a 'feel good' upgrade.

That's silly. The upgrade takes away one possible attack route. That helps. No structure is impervious to attack, but you can lower the chances by limiting the threats.

How about adopting policies that don't assist the terror recruiters instead? Cheaper in the long run, I would bet.

Prepare Indictments and offer therapy, that's what they need!

 

[40Hands]

I like the design. The light tops it off nicely. However I think naming it the "Freedom Tower" is pretty lame. Give it a real name.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
A nice building indeed. I still consider the bigger and better attitude kind of silly.

I agree. This design looks nice, but I'd be in favor of putting a beautiful memorial there instead.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: mribnik1

Originally posted by: judasmachine
A nice building indeed. I still consider the bigger and better attitude kind of silly.

I agree. This design looks nice, but I'd be in favor of putting a beautiful memorial there instead.

There is going to be a memorial as well.

 

[crooked22]

OMG CITY 17!!

neat building...

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: BroeBo
I like the design. The light tops it off nicely. However I think naming it the "Freedom Tower" is pretty lame. Give it a real name.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: tss4
New World Trade Center!

The new tower design looks amazing! A hundred feet taller than the current largest building in the world! It should be completed in 2010 which is pretty quick IMO for such an incredible engineering feet.

The building, which has been dubbed "The Freedom Tower" by Pataki, will remain 1,776 feet, symbolizing the year the United States declared its independence.

It would be almost 100 feet taller than the Taipei 101 Tower in Taiwan, currently the tallest building in the world.

It also will retain a spire, containing a 400-foot broadcast antenna which will emit light at night and is intended to echo the Statue of Liberty's torch.

I like the design, but can't stand that name. They honestly couldn't pick anythign more cliche and irrelevant

 

[Czar]

like with so many, Love the design, simple, elegant, expecialy the light at the top but the name is not so good