If the weapons didn't cross state borders, I don't see where a case could be made. And I'm pretty sure they aren't *that* stupid...
See the quote, above.
That's one of the emptiest things ever posted on this forum, and there have been plenty.
Volume has nothing to do with it... In other words, If I were to travel the gun show circuit, sell dozens or hundreds of firearms per year as a "private seller" while not making background checks, then I'm really a private seller, and not a dealer flying under the radar, or what?
They don't have to. It's the act of purchasing which does it. Ignoring handgun residency requirements, Bloomberg could not purchase these weapons, because he wasn't anywhere near the show. He caused them to be bought for his own purposes in spite of that, which violates "straw purchase".
Note that transport is not required.
They don't have to. It's the act of purchasing which does it. Ignoring handgun residency requirements, Bloomberg could not purchase these weapons, because he wasn't anywhere near the show. He caused them to be bought for his own purposes in spite of that, which violates "straw purchase".
Note that transport is not required.
The thing is, it's not the police from NYC that you need to worry about, it's the fact that people can buy guns without a background check legally! That's an issue.
Hey xj0hnx, if your talking about me you're on my ignore list so stfu. xxx
They don't have to. It's the act of purchasing which does it. Ignoring handgun residency requirements, Bloomberg could not purchase these weapons, because he wasn't anywhere near the show. He caused them to be bought for his own purposes in spite of that, which violates "straw purchase".
Note that transport is not required.
Heh - I'll bring the popcorn, cos this'll be a LOT of fun to watch!
Yip, the act of buying it (with fake ID no less) is the straw purchase, if they transported the guns they illegally bought across state lines that would just be an added bonus.
I had a thought:
Mayor Bloomberg is a Billionaire, correct?
What if he pulled the stunt intentionally - with the purpose of drawing the legal battle - so he and his lawyers could bring suit and write new law to close the loophole?
If any politician in the USA has the wherewithal to create and pursue such a battle, Mayor Bloomberg would be at the top of the list.
/munches_more_popcorn
Feels like someone is throwing a hissy fit. WAAA Why aren't you listening to me! WAAA...
I seriously doubt he is that forward thinking, and a lawsuit wouldn't guarantee that the "loophole" was closed anyway.
Nope - Not guaranteed at all.
But regarding the 'Forward Thinking' part: He did create and grow Bloomberg News from nothing to become a Billionaire.. Pretty sure he has an Idea of what he would be getting himself into.
And? It's saying exactly what I said. Restricting a right makes it not a free country.
I go to pretty much every show in central and south Texas and the vast majority of people you really see at all of them are the real dealers. There's a couple guys I see at different shows, but they usually have the same guns show after show. There may be a couple individuals that can make it selling a few guns every few months in the "circuit", but they are far and away the exception, not the rule. The majority of dealers at gun shows are FFL holders, with real shops, and they do Form 4473's and NICS. No, joe blow with twenty personal guns going to a couple shows, or even six a year isn't anywhere close to real FFL holding gun shops competition. You are incredibly clueless.
Lemme see. You first claim I offered something I didn't, about actually owning a gun as defining freedom,
Jhhnn said:other than the usual raving about gun ownership defining freedom,
and now claim that any restrictions on firearms ownership deny freedom. There is apparently no difference between your actual position and what I offered in the first place.
I never offered that the vast majority of dealers at shows aren't properly licensed, at all. What I did offer is that show sponsors really should perform background checks on behalf of the "private sellers" at their shows if they want to avoid the kind of criticism leveled by Bloomberg. You admit that those dealers are a small part of the action, which I never contested, but seem to think that they're rightfully immune to calls that they be just as responsible as others at the show.
Where did I say that ANY restrictions on firearms ownership denies freedom?
Private owners do not need permission to sell their property. Fuck Bloomberg, he committed a crime and should be charged accordingly.
I already quoted you on that.
Amend what? You haven't showed any inconsistency in anything other than your own statements.Do you draw some distinction between "freedom" and "free country"? Or do you wish to amend your remarks?
Good, it's settled then.Of course they don't.
... they are.They do need to follow the law and the rules of any commercial venue in doing so, however, whether that's a flea market or a gun show.
No, it's not.It's in the interests of gun show sponsors to require checks for all who buy firearms at their shows.
No, that would vindicate Bloombergs crimes. We're all out of inches.It would protect them from the sort of attack Bloomberg engaged in. It would strengthen the position of honest gun owners everywhere.
Our position is fine, it's the casualty vampires like McCarthy, and Bloomberg that need to get their head out of their asses and stop using tragedies to further their agenda.You do want that, right?
I wonder if part of it is these sellers don't know that someone saying "I probably couldn't pass it anyway" means they are required to not make the transaction. Granted if they're selling they should know the law. A lot of times though the laws are so fucked up for guns and knives that most people don't understand them, though in this case it's pretty clearly spelled out.
I think it would help if there was more awareness about this as the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. I think in some of these cases if they knew that it was against the law, they wouldn't have made the sale.
And? It's saying exactly what I said. Restricting a right makes it not a free country.
Where did I say that ANY restrictions on firearms ownership denies freedom?.
Nope - Not guaranteed at all.
But regarding the 'Forward Thinking' part: He did create and grow Bloomberg News from nothing to become a Billionaire.. Pretty sure he has an Idea of what he would be getting himself into.
I don't think he's interested in the law. I think he's looking for the spotlight.
It would be kind of funny to see Bloomberg vs AZ. While a billionaire is powerful, I don't think he's quite up to going against a whole state and it's pissed off people.