New York Times: Donald Trump reports $916 million loss in 1995

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DrDoug

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I just heard on ABC News radio that Trump may sue over the release/publication of his tax returns. Plus he says that nobody knows the tax code better than himself and because of that he's the only one who can fix it!

What an ass...
 

senseamp

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He didn't do anything more, or less, than any other person has done in a government that allows NOLs. He has no responsibility to pay more taxes. No liberal superhero does. Uncle Warren, Bill Gates, among others, are running around lecturing everybody while deferring and avoiding as much taxes as possible.
Now if you want to argue that any NOLs should be removed above a certain tax threshold, that's fine by me, we should bring it up. However, to blame him, or put the spotlight on him, is wrong.
Trump obviously doesn't feel there is nothing wrong there, since he's hiding his tax returns. I suspect he knows more about his taxes than you.
 

jackstar7

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Okay, now I can see how LK has been working for Clinton's side this whole time. I suspected it, but this thread really seals the deal.

Bravo, sir.
 

lopri

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At this point even if he is somehow elected president not a day will go by peacefully.
 

evident

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While i'm happy they actually found a tax return, is anyone actually surprised? He declared bankruptcy 4 times. $1B is a huge amount. Cant believe so many dumb americans put their faith in this joke.
 

flexy

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Oh wow, Trump is not paying taxes to the fed? So, INCREDIBLY surprising!! Took me totally off-guard...
I guess now they have to delay the canonization of Trump a little.
 

DrDoug

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I noticed this bit in the article:

The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

This seems to be a running theme with Trump; they invest in him or work for him, he reaps the bucks, they get stuck with the tab and he walks away scot-free. Donnie has never really had to account for his failures, he always seems to be able to 'rich guy' his way out of it and walk away richer for it. For some reason his supporters think this is an admirable quality to have in a President.

They think he's worth a lot and ignore the fact that his word is worthless. Actually, it's worth less than that.
 

VRAMdemon

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I think the vast majority of Americans believe that he pays no taxes and that he's hiding his returns because of that. This is really no surprise. He probably owes debt to foreign investors (possibly Chinese, Russian and middle eastern). He probably isn't nearly as rich as he claims. True billionaires do not peddle steaks and board games. I'm sure the loss was smart, very very Huuugely smart — Donald Trump hates losers but, AFAICT, any self-loathing must be subconscious.. A $900 million realized loss? Bill Gates, J.D. Rockefeller, Baron Rothschild — none of them ever achieved that.
 

biostud

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I noticed this bit in the article:



This seems to be a running theme with Trump; they invest in him or work for him, he reaps the bucks, they get stuck with the tab and he walks away scot-free. Donnie has never really had to account for his failures, he always seems to be able to 'rich guy' his way out of it and walk away richer for it. For some reason his supporters think this is an admirable quality to have in a President.

They think he's worth a lot and ignore the fact that his word is worthless. Actually, it's worth less than that.

Pyramid scheme comes to mind, except all those who got fvcked didn't loose their money because they invested in a stupid scheme, but because they turned up to do their jobs.
 

DrDoug

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I think the vast majority of Americans believe that he pays no taxes and that he's hiding his returns because of that. This is really no surprise. He probably owes debt to foreign investors (possibly Chinese, Russian and middle eastern). He probably isn't nearly as rich as he claims. True billionaires do not peddle steaks and board games. I'm sure the loss was smart, very very Huuugely smart — Donald Trump hates losers but, AFAICT, any self-loathing must be subconscious.. A $900 million realized loss? Bill Gates, J.D. Rockefeller, Baron Rothschild — none of them ever achieved that.

It seems to me that while Trump and his various 'schemes' may have once been popular (as an investment) to those with big money, after being burned a few too many times they may have pulled back, forcing Trump to become what he is now; someone who specializes in getting people to part with their money and give it to him. Business-wise, he sells his name, cashes out and then shrugs his shoulders when shit goes bad. His own businesses crash and burn and fail to pay subcontractors and vendors. His casinos, like all other casinos, are designed to vacuum up money from those too stupid to hang on to it.

Trump lives off the rich person's version of public welfare.

Pyramid scheme comes to mind, except all those who got fvcked didn't loose their money because they invested in a stupid scheme, but because they turned up to do their jobs.

Yup, basically ripping off people is a way of life for him.
 

larciel

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Pyramid scheme comes to mind, except all those who got fvcked didn't loose their money because they invested in a stupid scheme, but because they turned up to do their jobs.
Trump endorsed heavy on acn, so called multi level network marketing firm. You should look up what he said during those conventions. Lol


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K1052

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He's on twitter again saying that only he knows the tax code so well and can fix it. Hashtag indicates he's peeved at the NYT...again.

Also retweeting sentiment that polls don't matter.
 

norseamd

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I am curious where they got this information. If somebody in the government released this, it is naked aggression of the establishment towards private citizens and cannot stand.

LegendKiller automatically points finger at the government.

What a shock.
 

norseamd

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He's on twitter again saying that only he knows the tax code so well and can fix it. Hashtag indicates he's peeved at the NYT...again.

Also retweeting sentiment that polls don't matter.

He also cant even hashtag.
 

Bowfinger

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In case there's any doubt about Trump's shameless hypocrisy: Trump's Long History of Tweet-Shaming on Taxes.

A few of the Trumpster's gems:
"HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt"
"Facebook billionaire gives up his U.S. citizenship in order to save taxes. I guess 3.8 billion isn't enough"
"@BarackObama who wants to raise all our taxes, only pays 20.5% on $790k salary.http://1.usa.gov/HFZJKH Do as I say not as I do."​

"Do as I say, not as I do" indeed. More at the link.
 

NetWareHead

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He didn't do anything more, or less, than any other person has done in a government that allows NOLs. He has no responsibility to pay more taxes. No liberal superhero does. Uncle Warren, Bill Gates, among others, are running around lecturing everybody while deferring and avoiding as much taxes as possible.

Now if you want to argue that any NOLs should be removed above a certain tax threshold, that's fine by me, we should bring it up. However, to blame him, or put the spotlight on him, is wrong.


Agree. What Trump did was not illegal. It should be blamed on the tax code that allows him and many others; conservative & liberal alike to do likewise.

When it comes time for everybody here to do their taxes next year, each and everyone here is going to take every deduction, tax credit etc... available to them. Those that know how to are going to structure their income properly to avoid as much taxation as legally possible and if you can get away with paying zero taxes legally, so be it.

Nobody here is such a good samaritan that they are going to pay as much tax as possible.
 

vi edit

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As one of the more vocal "nevertrump" people here...this is a solid "meh" to me. If anything his pantomime of Hillary stumbling at his latest rally is much more of a "Fuck that guy" moment. I'll let people chew and spin on these three pages but ultimately it's not a game changer or a bomb shell to me. I find his questionable charity use much more damning than these tax forms.
 

lopri

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He has so many damming qualities that no one's taste is ignored.
 

K1052

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Agree. What Trump did was not illegal. It should be blamed on the tax code that allows him and many others; conservative & liberal alike to do likewise.

When it comes time for everybody here to do their taxes next year, each and everyone here is going to take every deduction, tax credit etc... available to them. Those that know how to are going to structure their income properly to avoid as much taxation as legally possible and if you can get away with paying zero taxes legally, so be it.

Nobody here is such a good samaritan that they are going to pay as much tax as possible.

He probably shouldn't be chiding other people for paying a low effective rate while, plausibly, paying at or near zero himself. At best he comes across as hypocritical.

The exposure of taking a near billion dollar loss also damages the narrative that he's a "yuuuge successful winner businessman" and that the us will "win so much" with him at the helm.
 

Jhhnn

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Yep. Trump is a creative bankruptcy genius, perhaps the highest order of con artistry.
 

Commodus

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I didn't see it. I saw the headline pop up and thought that it might be the gov't. Interesting. Likely a leak from them to head off some leak they hear? Traitor?

Or, it could be that someone with access to Trump's finances has a conscience. This person couldn't abide by a presidential candidate who both refuses to publish his tax returns (bucking decades of disclosures by major candidates) and regularly exaggerates his business success. You're probably getting more truth out of this leak than Trump has delivered in over a year's worth of campaigning.
 

LegendKiller

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Or, it could be that someone with access to Trump's finances has a conscience. This person couldn't abide by a presidential candidate who both refuses to publish his tax returns (bucking decades of disclosures by major candidates) and regularly exaggerates his business success. You're probably getting more truth out of this leak than Trump has delivered in over a year's worth of campaigning.

I doubt it. By all accounts Trumps major employees seem highly loyal.

I just wonder if he leaked it to do 3 things.

1. Get rid of it as a campaign issue. They are released. Sure, not his latest ones, but they are the ones with the greatest "damage".
2. Portray the media as corrupt, siding with hillary, illegal, and morally bankrupt. All of these feed into the continuing narrative that "they" are all for Hillary.

3. Everybody already knows he took a loss. He talked about it in the Art Of The Comeback. He can also say that he *had* to do it for his fellow investors, and he did so legally. Now you're also seeing people attack the NYT for not paying taxes, must be helpful to Carlos.


I think #2 is the biggest thing. He gets to stand aside and say "see, I told you so".
 
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