New York Times: Donald Trump reports $916 million loss in 1995

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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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It's not about legality, it's about hypocrisy. Trump has stated numerous times that he feels folks don't pay their fair share in taxes - from poor people to wealthy people to corporations even. And it's about his boasts of being the best businessman ever and how much money he is worth.

It's funny how people think Donald has a vision for America even though his past vision was to make as much as possible any way he could & give back as little as possible to the country that made him what he is.

The notion that any of that has changed seems foolish at best.
 

fskimospy

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This entire thread is a fucking joke. The IRS has been auditing Trump on and off for 20 years and has yet to find anything illegal. And yet folks still want him to release his tax returns because they want to harp on the fact that he probably doesn't pay taxes because he uses tax law to his advantage. Legally.

Holy shit. String him up because he operates his businesses intelligently. This is JUST as stupid as the Hillary email server bullshit. She was stupid. Not malicious. Or illegal (read the fucking FBI reports). Christ people, no wonder our country is where it is.

Did you not read the thread? (Likely not as you are the third or fourth person to make this argument) Nobody is saying what he did is illegal, it is simply hypocritical that he keeps ranting and raving about other people not paying taxes while he isn't paying them either.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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It's funny how people think Donald has a vision for America even though his past vision was to make as much as possible any way he could & give back as little as possible to the country that made him what he is.

The notion that any of that has changed seems foolish at best.

You don't get it, before he was just out for himself as he ran a private company. Now he is out for you. And although you might ask yourself 'then why when he ran a public company did he loot it for all it was worth and screw over the shareholders despite supposedly looking out for them then', that just shows you don't understand his genius.

He might have lied to everyone before but this time he's totally serious about not screwing you over.
 

Pulsar

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Did you not read the thread? (Likely not as you are the third or fourth person to make this argument) Nobody is saying what he did is illegal, it is simply hypocritical that he keeps ranting and raving about other people not paying taxes while he isn't paying them either.

Bullshit. You, and many other folks would LIKE to call him a hypocrite. But only a total moron would voluntarily pay money to the government that they don't owe.

This is exactly what he is trying to avoid. He's fucked either way, because the people who are out to get him will bitch if he doesn't pay taxes, even though he's done exactly what every other business does. Has he every claimed to pay a great deal of taxes? I don't remember him doing so. Why, then, should we be shocked if he doesn't.

I'll say it again - this whole thread and a great deal of posters are a joke. In fact the first post after mine accused me of being partisan - even though he has no idea who I'm voting for. Protip: It isn't Donald Trump. I just can't stand stupid partisan pandering like thiswhen I see it.

If you want to have a concrete discussion, discuss how many of business proposals fail. That's a concrete discussion that clearly shows a lack of leadership and business acumen.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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You don't get it, before he was just out for himself as he ran a private company. Now he is out for you. And although you might ask yourself 'then why when he ran a public company did he loot it for all it was worth and screw over the shareholders despite supposedly looking out for them then', that just shows you don't understand his genius.

He might have lied to everyone before but this time he's totally serious about not screwing you over.

Misquote ?

NM I reread it.

Seriously ?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Bullshit. You, and many other folks would LIKE to call him a hypocrite. But only a total moron would voluntarily pay money to the government that they don't owe.

This is exactly what he is trying to avoid. He's fucked either way, because the people who are out to get him will bitch if he doesn't pay taxes, even though he's done exactly what every other business does. Has he every claimed to pay a great deal of taxes? I don't remember him doing so. Why, then, should we be shocked if he doesn't.

I'll say it again - this whole thread and a great deal of posters are a joke. In fact the first post after mine accused me of being partisan - even though he has no idea who I'm voting for. Protip: It isn't Donald Trump. I just can't stand stupid partisan pandering like thiswhen I see it.

If you want to have a concrete discussion, discuss how many of business proposals fail. That's a concrete discussion that clearly shows a lack of leadership and business acumen.


You seem to be having a trumpertantrum. Take a deep breath and re read what people are actually saying. No one claimed he did anything legal, no one even claimed he did anything shady, and no one has claimed that him not paying taxes was morally wrong. What people are saying is that he is a hypocrite. Why are they saying that? For two reasons; trump has in the recent past called people out for not paying enough in taxes. He has also in the recent past, complained about politicians who haven't released their taxes and he has been adamant others needing to do so. This also ignores the fact that trump himself said he would release his taxes if he ran for president.

Do you get it now or can we expect some angry tweets from you at 3am?
 
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Mai72

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IMO, Donald's smart not paying his taxes. Same with most wealthy people. If I had millions I'd look at every tax loop hole as well. The IRS are crooks and the more you make the more they will steal from you. The federal government is going to waste your money anyway so why give them more if it?

I remember helping out the tech guy put in computers in classrooms at the public school. We were opening new computers, laptops and tablets. The thing is the classrooms all had new technology from the previous year. I asked him why did he order new technology when the school obviously didn't need it. He said that he has to spend the money or they'll get less money next year.

The US government loves to waste money. Donald didn't do anything illegal. That's important to remember. You have to play the game or you'll spend 40 of your working years paying 30-40% in taxes. I don't know about you but I work hard for my money. I want to keep as much as possible.
 

ivwshane

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Woosh!!!

IMO, Donald's smart not paying his taxes. Same with most wealthy people. If I had millions I'd look at every tax loop hole as well. The IRS are crooks and the more you make the more they will steal from you. The federal government is going to waste your money anyway so why give them more if it?

I remember helping out the tech guy put in computers in classrooms at the public school. We were opening new computers, laptops and tablets. The thing is the classrooms all had new technology from the previous year. I asked him why did he order new technology when the school obviously didn't need it. He said that he has to spend the money or they'll get less money next year.

The US government loves to waste money. Donald didn't do anything illegal. That's important to remember. You have to play the game or you'll spend 40 of your working years paying 30-40% in taxes. I don't know about you but I work hard for my money. I want to keep as much as possible.
 

Commodus

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IMO, Donald's smart not paying his taxes. Same with most wealthy people. If I had millions I'd look at every tax loop hole as well. The IRS are crooks and the more you make the more they will steal from you. The federal government is going to waste your money anyway so why give them more if it?

I remember helping out the tech guy put in computers in classrooms at the public school. We were opening new computers, laptops and tablets. The thing is the classrooms all had new technology from the previous year. I asked him why did he order new technology when the school obviously didn't need it. He said that he has to spend the money or they'll get less money next year.

The US government loves to waste money. Donald didn't do anything illegal. That's important to remember. You have to play the game or you'll spend 40 of your working years paying 30-40% in taxes. I don't know about you but I work hard for my money. I want to keep as much as possible.

The problem now isn't so much that Trump didn't pay taxes as that he has the gall to say he's "smart" for paying zero taxes while complaining about tax-funded programs. You know, Trump, if you were contributing funds to society instead of being a leech, maybe those programs wouldn't be in the dire straits you think they're in.

It also raises the question: why do so many non-wealthy people sincerely believe that Trump will look out for them? He's desperate to avoid being like the rest of us. He spits on us. He thinks we're stupid for paying taxes... and rather than prevent the rich from exploiting the tax system to avoid paying their fair share, he'd actually reduce the overall tax burden for that group. Clinton isn't exactly a woman of the people, but she doesn't have that utter contempt for the masses that Trump does.
 
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gamervivek

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Did you not read the thread? (Likely not as you are the third or fourth person to make this argument) Nobody is saying what he did is illegal, it is simply hypocritical that he keeps ranting and raving about other people not paying taxes while he isn't paying them either.

It's not hypocritical of him if he wants to slash taxes, it's hypocritical of those who don't pay taxes despite supporting a candidate who wants to raise them.

IOW, he's making the other side live up to their own rules.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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It's not hypocritical of him if he wants to slash taxes, it's hypocritical of those who don't pay taxes despite supporting a candidate who wants to raise them.

IOW, he's making the other side live up to their own rules.

You mean the 50% of people who don't pay taxes are also calling for a raise in taxes or support politicians who do?

So it's not hypocrisy when trump says that half of Americans don't pay taxes despite crippling government debt?

You either appear to not know what the word hypocrisy means or you are yet another example of how utterly fucking stupid trump cult followers are.
 

gamervivek

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You mean the 50% of people who don't pay taxes are also calling for a raise in taxes or support politicians who do?

So it's not hypocrisy when trump says that half of Americans don't pay taxes despite crippling government debt?

Is he going to slash the taxes? Yes, if I had to believe the MSM narrative.

You either appear to not know what the word hypocrisy means or you are yet another example of how utterly fucking stupid trump cult followers are.

It's you guys who don't understand the meaning of hypocrisy if you believe in the MSM narrative. Making the other side live up to their own rulebook is not hypocrisy. As for the latter part of your comment, it's a perfect example of how clueless your side is. Self-awareness absolute zero.
 

compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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If I was that guy, Trump, and so much hoopla was being made out of a couple pages of a 20 year old tax return, I'd just imagine how consumed people would be with a purported 1200 page current one. I think I'd pass too. He's been advised not to release it, just due to the amount of media focus it would receive. I can see the point. He legally doesn't have to release it. As a candidate, he's got plenty to do, this close to the election, and he shouldn't need to have a full time job trying to battle with the media over his tax return. If he released it, he'd just be inviting a bigger media shit storm. So, despite the fact that I don't support him for POTUS, I can also see why he won't release the tax returns. This thing is just being blown way out of proportion. He's worked within the tax laws and none of us are expected to do anything more than that, or pay more than we owe. I take all my deductions and I expect he does too. That's not illegal or immoral.

Go ahead and continue to have your fun beating this dead pony.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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1. Is he going to slash the taxes? Yes, if I had to believe the MSM narrative.


2. It's you guys who don't understand the meaning of hypocrisy if you believe in the MSM narrative.

Just a heads up that by your reasoning he's going to raise taxes, though that word really should be put in quotes.


If I was that guy, Trump, and so much hoopla was being made out of a couple pages of a 20 year old tax return, I'd just imagine how consumed people would be with a purported 1200 page current one. I think I'd pass too. He's been advised not to release it, just due to the amount of media focus it would receive. I can see the point. He legally doesn't have to release it. As a candidate, he's got plenty to do, this close to the election, and he shouldn't need to have a full time job trying to battle with the media over his tax return. If he released it, he'd just be inviting a bigger media shit storm. So, despite the fact that I don't support him for POTUS, I can also see why he won't release the tax returns. This thing is just being blown way out of proportion. He's worked within the tax laws and none of us are expected to do anything more than that, or pay more than we owe. I take all my deductions and I expect he does too. That's not illegal or immoral.

Go ahead and continue to have your fun beating this dead pony.

You seem the type to have a lot of faith in folks who just have to say nice things about you.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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If I was that guy, Trump, and so much hoopla was being made out of a couple pages of a 20 year old tax return, I'd just imagine how consumed people would be with a purported 1200 page current one. I think I'd pass too. He's been advised not to release it, just due to the amount of media focus it would receive. I can see the point. He legally doesn't have to release it. As a candidate, he's got plenty to do, this close to the election, and he shouldn't need to have a full time job trying to battle with the media over his tax return. If he released it, he'd just be inviting a bigger media shit storm. So, despite the fact that I don't support him for POTUS, I can also see why he won't release the tax returns. This thing is just being blown way out of proportion. He's worked within the tax laws and none of us are expected to do anything more than that, or pay more than we owe. I take all my deductions and I expect he does too. That's not illegal or immoral.

Go ahead and continue to have your fun beating this dead pony.

It is not a dead pony.

He has made a living out of screwing over workers all his life and has been avoiding paying taxes for decades and now he's going to be the saviour of the middle class.

Bull Shit.

That is about as hypocritical as you can get.

He has had no problem twittering about a former beauty queen for hours in the mornings he should not have bothered with if he really thinks his time is that valuable.

That seemed to occupy his mind as a full time job there awhile.
 
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