New Zen microarchitecture details

[iBoMbY]

I can't tell you if these boards are working, but probably not. Most of them do not seem to be in production yet, and nobody tells you final specs, because they don't know anything yet. They don't know what memory frequencies they can reach, for example. AMD doesn't even seem to know the final Ryzen SKUs yet, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of the motherboard manufactures got any of the final silicon yet. I also wouldn't be too surprised if the first non-OEM products would arrive mid to end Q2 at this point.

 

[PPB]

So Intel can show you Skylake mobos without even finalized VRM and PCH heatsink designs and everyone and their mother trusted them on their release date. Now you see motherboard designs finalized but without the specs and some viral posters suddenly lose their heads?

Talk about double standards.

 

[zinfamous]

I can't tell you if these boards are working, but probably not. Most of them do not seem to be in production yet, and nobody tells you final specs, because they don't know anything yet. They don't know what memory frequencies they can reach, for example. AMD doesn't even seem to know the final Ryzen SKUs yet, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of the motherboard manufactures got any of the final silicon yet. I also wouldn't be too surprised if the first non-OEM products would arrive mid to end Q2 at this point.

Regardless, those don't look like OEM boards to, well, most people. Do they look like OEM boards to you? That's the most bizarre claim, imo.

 

[Doom2pro]

I can't tell you if these boards are working, but probably not. Most of them do not seem to be in production yet, and nobody tells you final specs, because they don't know anything yet. They don't know what memory frequencies they can reach, for example. AMD doesn't even seem to know the final Ryzen SKUs yet, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of the motherboard manufactures got any of the final silicon yet. I also wouldn't be too surprised if the first non-OEM products would arrive mid to end Q2 at this point.

They have to be working, the whole point of sending board partners engineering samples is so they can validate their designs... Launching in Q1 they better have their designs locked down by now.

If Ryzen is in production now, the motherboards have to be as well... I wouldn't be surprised if every one of those boards were plucked right off the assembly line and work fine.

 

[Abwx]

I can't tell you if these boards are working, but probably not. .

Probably that you cant tell anything at all and are just spreading fud, yet i gave a link above, perhaps another one..?.

http://wccftech.com/msi-am4-x370-motherboard-ryzen-cpu/

Oh, look, fake specs, lol....

And of course the faked cards below :

 

[majord]

I can't tell you if these boards are working, but probably not. Most of them do not seem to be in production yet, and nobody tells you final specs, because they don't know anything yet. They don't know what memory frequencies they can reach, for example. AMD doesn't even seem to know the final Ryzen SKUs yet, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of the motherboard manufactures got any of the final silicon yet. I also wouldn't be too surprised if the first non-OEM products would arrive mid to end Q2 at this point.

So what you're suggesting is, after much anticipation, showing off all these boards, making it clear this is a 'DIY' enthusiast product in the Horizon event (remember the 'build your own ryzen system VR demo) , they're going to launch Ryzen inside some OEM systems that no one from the target audiance would be interested in..

Possible, but would be madness.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Like the Athlon 845K...

Or the 860k, 870k, or 880k (845k doesn't exist, yet! The 845 does though).

 

[superstition]

It would be nice if board makers would make VRM cooling efficiency the #1 priority (the sole priority, even) rather than attempts to prioritize appearance. I don't see how flat surfaces on top of VRM sinks improve heat dissipation.

The top board looks like it has a big shroud. Is that to contain one of those 40mm fans that are supposed to blow into the case (as with Sabertooth 990FX v. 3)?

Is that big shroud metal and will help by being more metal mass for heat conduction, is it mainly for looks, or is it mainly for containing a fan?

Sure, the top board's main sinks are mainly large fins which seems like a good move for air-based cooling but I don't understand all the flat surfaces. What am I missing?

 

[Doom2pro]

Sure, the top board's main sinks are mainly large fins which seems like a good move for air-based cooling but I don't understand all the flat surfaces. What am I missing?

That's probably all there is to it, clearance... I wouldn't put too much thought into it.

 

[iBoMbY]

Regardless, those don't look like OEM boards to, well, most people. Do they look like OEM boards to you? That's the most bizarre claim, imo.

Did I say that? No. Why do you make stuff like this up?

There are OEM boards up and running, since they can use the same boards as for Bristol Ridge, which are being sold already. They only need a BIOS update, and will run with default, JEDEC standard, memory frequencies.

 

[Tup3x]

The fact that there are AM4 OEM boards (that are pretty much only meant to be used for Bristol Ridge APUs) does not mean that those consumer boards are not working or coming out in time.

 

[bjt2]

Or the 860k, 870k, or 880k (845k doesn't exist, yet! The 845 does though).

Bad memory...
Anyway they don't have higher clocks that corresponding APU parts, so they are harvested and probalby not very much quality silicon (aka: high leakage or low max OC)
eg: the 880k is 4/4.2 in 95W and there is an APU with 4/4.3 in 95W, GPU included...

 

[TheELF]

eg: the 880k is 4/4.2 in 95W and there is an APU with 4/4.3 in 95W, GPU included...

Yeah but those work by dropping the cpu down to 3Ghz whenever the igpu revs up to stay within that TDP.
http://www.tomshardware.de/amd-a10-...enchmark-budget-pc,testberichte-242059-2.html

 

[ShintaiDK]

There is already an MSI TITANIUM AM4 Board that has 2x M.2 ports and U.2

The miracle of PLX chips to fill the lack of the chipset.

You have to ask what went wrong. When the Premium CPU+Premium chipset is only able to deliver 16+2 or 4 PCIe 3.0 and 8 PCIe 2.0 with 6 or 4 SATA. Depending on 2 or 4 extra PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU.

 

[PPB]

The miracle of PLX chips to fill the lack of the chipset.

You have to ask what went wrong. When the Premium CPU+Premium chipset is only able to deliver 16+2 or 4 PCIe 3.0 and 8 PCIe 2.0 with 6 or 4 SATA. Depending on 2 or 4 extra PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU.

Yeah, it is totally an issue, Zen is doomed /s

So we can conclude it will be a sucess if the only thing the usual suspects can nitpick id pcie lanes?

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[cytg111]

The miracle of PLX chips to fill the lack of the chipset.

You have to ask what went wrong. When the Premium CPU+Premium chipset is only able to deliver 16+2 or 4 PCIe 3.0 and 8 PCIe 2.0 with 6 or 4 SATA. Depending on 2 or 4 extra PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU.

You dont need a perfect bat to hit a home run . If it indeed turns out to be a homerun, I am sure these things will get polished with a refresh or Zen+.

 

[krumme]

You dont need a perfect bat to hit a home run . If it indeed turns out to be a homerun, I am sure these things will get polished with a refresh or Zen+.

Its just trolling and flamebait and the "you have to ask what went wrong" expression proves it. Obviously Its a cost priority and a good one. No consumer needs more pci lanes or more than 6 sata build in. It would be a waste to do it and shintai knows. There is a choice of cf/sli for boards and it covers even a miniscule niche.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

The miracle of PLX chips to fill the lack of the chipset.

You have to ask what went wrong. When the Premium CPU+Premium chipset is only able to deliver 16+2 or 4 PCIe 3.0 and 8 PCIe 2.0 with 6 or 4 SATA. Depending on 2 or 4 extra PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU.

See, AM4/Zen actually has a better PCIe/SATA config then LGA-115x, since it has 16+4(8+2 for BR) lanes directly from the CPU, and two SATA ports wired directly into the CPU as well. On 115x, everything either have to pass over the DMI link to the PCH, or you have to sacrifice 8 lanes from the graphics card.

That's my opinion anyway.

 

[CatMerc]

AMD positioned the boards square in the middle between 1151 and 2011. 2011 has too much stuff increasing the pricing, due to its server roots. 1151 has too little because Intel are precious like that.

AM4 is a perfect balance of functionality and price in my opinion.

 

[bjt2]

Yeah but those work by dropping the cpu down to 3Ghz whenever the igpu revs up to stay within that TDP.
http://www.tomshardware.de/amd-a10-...enchmark-budget-pc,testberichte-242059-2.html

We know that the old series APU have a bug in the energy saving that led to AMD forcing underclock when in high GPU usage. I would love to see a review of latest 9xxx series APUs...

 

[zinfamous]

AMD positioned the boards square in the middle between 1151 and 2011. 2011 has too much stuff increasing the pricing, due to its server roots. 1151 has too little because Intel are precious like that.

AM4 is a perfect balance of functionality and price in my opinion.

don't forget longevity and swapability. Instead of two slots for 2 chip classes--1151 and 2011--you have one for all of those classes of chips with AMD platform.

 

[prtskg]

AMD positioned the boards square in the middle between 1151 and 2011. 2011 has too much stuff increasing the pricing, due to its server roots. 1151 has too little because Intel are precious like that.

AM4 is a perfect balance of functionality and price in my opinion.

And this tells me that there would be enough chip at aggressive prices. If the board isn't at sky high feature, the cpu shouldn't cost like one.

 

[majord]

See, AM4/Zen actually has a better PCIe/SATA config then LGA-115x, since it has 16+4(8+2 for BR) lanes directly from the CPU, and two SATA ports wired directly into the CPU as well. On 115x, everything either have to pass over the DMI link to the PCH, or you have to sacrifice 8 lanes from the graphics card.

That's my opinion anyway.

Was just discussing this on another forum, and whilst Intel's flagships are IMO more flexible, and provide more G3 lanes in total, there's also perks to AMD's sollution, so it's not so cut and dry. and you could nitpick at either..

On top of the more elegant Directly SoC NvMe/GPP lanes, you have the 2x native USB 3.1G2 ports( even 1x included on the budget A320).. No miracle external controller needed. perhaps "you have to wonder what went wrong" for intel to not include this on there premium chipset??

 

[PPB]

Its easy, with amd you have the choice to pay less for uneeded features for the 90% of the userbase. I just need the cpu grunt and just use 1 gpu, why would i need 28+ lanes like 2011 3 gives?

Its funny because the same poster goes to the gpu forum and defends nv gutting sli to not more than 2 gpus for anything but the txp saying multi gpu is dead, then comes here to troll nitpicking at possible insufficient pci e lanes for multi gpu on amd boards. Viral posting at its finest.

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[Insert_Nickname]

Was just discussing this on another forum, and whilst Intel's flagships are IMO more flexible, and provide more G3 lanes in total, there's also perks to AMD's sollution, so it's not so cut and dry. and you could nitpick at either..

As stated that is just my own opinion. YMMV.

I'd like to see the next Intel mainstream platform adopt a 16+4 layout from the CPU, even if it costs a few lanes from the PCH. Alternatively I'd be perfectly happy with a double wide (PCIe 3.0 x8) DMI interface.

On top of the more elegant Directly SoC NvMe/GPP lanes, you have the 2x native USB 3.1G2 ports( even 1x included on the budget A320).. No miracle external controller needed. perhaps "you have to wonder what went wrong" for intel to not include this on there premium chipset??

What went "wrong" for Intel? That's easily answered. They're more interested in selling you an additional $8.55 Alpine Ridge controller, then integrating anything into the PCH, and giving it away for "free"...

Intel also took their sweet time integrating USB 3.0 into the PCH, if you remember.

It's just business.