Ofc we'll have to wait but just the fact that they don't have an upper clock limit is encouraging.
I hope that single core turbo is high, but I don't have much information to be sure of the actual maximum clocks. I can hope of >=4.5Ghz single core turbo (and i was mocked multiple times for even dreamed of this clock), but i am not sure that there are not some other limitation factors, such as power density or Vcore limits that forbid higher clocks...
For 8c dices, since the leakage is very low, there could be little differences between max turbo core with 4c even non native. Harvested dices have the 4c not powered so they are like native 4c, but with higher dissipating area and contact with the heatsink... They can be even better than native dices and have the advantage of use the bad 8c dices... The only disadvantage is that usually broken 8c dices are low quality and so low clocks. I don't expect harvested 4c dices to clock much higher than best 8c, because if they are harvested, probabily they are on a low quality part of the wafer...
All chips has bottleneck issues, past present and all future... But this is going nowhere, you believe what you wanna and I am going with what I .. I have stated my case. over and out,2500k has bottleneck issues, ryzen likely not
Market size is the critical parameter. 4c8t w/o gpu is a pretty small market nowadays.$$$
Basically that's why.
Zeppelin is cheap to make, so it would take long to amortize the cost required by additional die designs, mask and packages.
Apparently its around 4 billion a year ( at intels current prices).Market size is the critical parameter. 4c8t w/o gpu is a pretty small market nowadays.
- Define these new architecture details that makes it worth it ?
Apparently its around 4 billion a year ( at intels current prices).
I understand it means why, but I don't understand why that is such a weird thing to expect, and is coming off so aggressive.
Every 'normal' mini-ITX board for desktop chips has come with 6x USB and 4x SATA for as long as I remember, and that's from when mini-ITX first came to market. I built my first mini-ITX based system already in 2006 and now on my third system.
I connect a mouse, keyboard, printer, scanner and external HDD and need one open USB to connect a smartphone or USB drive. That's six. I use two SSD's and an optical drive and want to continue using all of those on a new system. That's three.
checking pointing/replay
load to store forwarding in the front end + stack mem file
the "AI" based predictive core response ( not talking about prefetch/predict)
No clock/voltage table, all dynamic/algorithm based
Plenty of interesting stuff
Sure, interesting stuff, yet at the end of the day what should concern me is not whats under the hood but what my 0-60 performance is .. some will dial in with milage here as well but i dont care much about that.
you didnt include pricing, because perf/$ is very important to the vast majority of consumers.
You may only care about top-performance no matter what but that is not what the majority is looking for.
Ofc we'll have to wait but just the fact that they don't have an upper clock limit is encouraging.
It is evident that KL i7s will be the CPU of choice for those who want absolute best ST performance because IPC+ better OC could result in up to ~20% better one thread performance. Ryzen will definitely be a right choice for almost anyone else due to superior price/perf. ratio.
with X300 you have directly from the CPU
16x PCIe Gen 3.0 for graphics
4x PCIe Gen 3.0 NVMe
4x PCIe Gen 3.0
+ 6 USB 3.0
That means we can have 4x PCIe Gen 3.0 for NVMe M2.0/U2.0 drive + 6-8x SATA-6 ports
I believe this is enough for everyone for a mini-iTX build. You can even build a mini SFF low power 8C 16T server box with that I/O.
It is evident that KL i7s will be the CPU of choice for those who want absolute best ST performance because IPC+ better OC could result in up to ~20% better one thread performance. Ryzen will definitely be a right choice for almost anyone else due to superior price/perf. ratio.
That's for HEDT and they don't offer 4 cores no GPU at sane prices.
http://ark.intel.com/products/92991/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v4-10M-Cache-3_50-GHz
$306 over on newegg...
Quite competitive if you need HEDT features, but not necessarily a lot of cores.
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Power/area, wire delay, and voltage limitations, and a temperature dependent (fine grained) boost will cause you to look at mileage as well. The chosen uarchitectural features will be good for many benchmarks/softwares/use cases, and far from being the best options for some other stuff.Sure, interesting stuff, yet at the end of the day what should concern me is not whats under the hood but what my 0-60 performance is .. some will dial in with milage here as well but i dont care much about that.
It should have USB3.1 gen 2 from the CPU.
Some reports from CES about ddr4 performance is a bit worriesome. Apparently it is behind intels offerings. Direct quote is:
We’ve run DDR4 memory kits on the new Intel Z270 platform with Kaby Lake processors like the Intel Core i7-7770K processor at speeds of up to 4.0 GHz and we saw companies hitting 4.5 GHz clock speeds on DDR4 memory kits with extreme overclocking techniques. Multiple sources wishing to remain anonymous spoke with us at CES 2017 and said that DDR4 support on Ryzen boards is no where near as good and that now and that DDR4-2400 is a good all around kit for these processors.
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-learned-ces-2017_190305#Z2uLrCwWcPUHJGMU.99