So typical AMD marketing means advertising best case highly multi-threaded result vs. the 'current' flagship core...
1st major neg.
Even 2x in CB15 vs. Piledriver 8370 would mean pretty modest IPC/average performance gain on a more than doubling of cores (plus SMT). Reminds me of AMD ads comparing Barcelona vs. K8 lol
BTW, for any of us who were active back then and remember; Phenom was a very big leap for AMD. From K8. But it was too late, power hungry and too low in clocks to be competitive. And then it never OC'd either.
Nothing I've seen indicates any better breakthrough with Zen. However, daily, what we're seeing indicates Phenom 9500 and it's buildup.
So, on majords graph, I'm pitting the release Zeppelin flagship model in heavily ILP code @100-115% 6700K mark, and in most other serially limited code to be average around the 2700K mark.
With Turbo, that is. I also can't see release frequencies being high either. Max base 2.8-3.0GHz for Zeppelin all cores loaded.
As for the argument of "why release a poor product?" My God. Try following HPE, IBM, MoD, or phone MFGs. That's all many have done for 4-5 years. Because corporate internal politics is huge, vulture culture and is what dictates, not the end product or it's suitability. Because guys are sitting in lofty positions on fat checks with absolutely zero bother or competence. Because everyone watches their own back and deflects the problem onto someone else within corps. Because most internally do not, ever, work together, but as my deadline vs your deadline, as department vs department. Multi-billion dollar companies pay millions of expenses and contracts a year for piss poor services and outdated 80-90s products (a la mainframes). Just because none can be bothered to change it and take that additional workload/responsibility. You might think this cannot possibly happen with such clever people. Dear Lord! If you ever saw the figures...
It's never engineering vs engineering. Geeks have this very simplistic outlook of best design will surface and flourish. Never so. It's about projects, teams, budgets, internal reputation and fat cat bonuses.
Sent from HTC 10
1st major neg.
Even 2x in CB15 vs. Piledriver 8370 would mean pretty modest IPC/average performance gain on a more than doubling of cores (plus SMT). Reminds me of AMD ads comparing Barcelona vs. K8 lol
BTW, for any of us who were active back then and remember; Phenom was a very big leap for AMD. From K8. But it was too late, power hungry and too low in clocks to be competitive. And then it never OC'd either.
Nothing I've seen indicates any better breakthrough with Zen. However, daily, what we're seeing indicates Phenom 9500 and it's buildup.
So, on majords graph, I'm pitting the release Zeppelin flagship model in heavily ILP code @100-115% 6700K mark, and in most other serially limited code to be average around the 2700K mark.
With Turbo, that is. I also can't see release frequencies being high either. Max base 2.8-3.0GHz for Zeppelin all cores loaded.
As for the argument of "why release a poor product?" My God. Try following HPE, IBM, MoD, or phone MFGs. That's all many have done for 4-5 years. Because corporate internal politics is huge, vulture culture and is what dictates, not the end product or it's suitability. Because guys are sitting in lofty positions on fat checks with absolutely zero bother or competence. Because everyone watches their own back and deflects the problem onto someone else within corps. Because most internally do not, ever, work together, but as my deadline vs your deadline, as department vs department. Multi-billion dollar companies pay millions of expenses and contracts a year for piss poor services and outdated 80-90s products (a la mainframes). Just because none can be bothered to change it and take that additional workload/responsibility. You might think this cannot possibly happen with such clever people. Dear Lord! If you ever saw the figures...
It's never engineering vs engineering. Geeks have this very simplistic outlook of best design will surface and flourish. Never so. It's about projects, teams, budgets, internal reputation and fat cat bonuses.
Sent from HTC 10