They are only showing Bristol Ridge, aka Carrizo for desktop.
We don't know if they are "skipping" Polaris on Computex (don't think they would invite the press all the way to Macau for just the Bristol Ridge), and Zen was always going to be the end of the year 2016 not middle of the year.Thats really disappointing. Been waiting forever for zen and polaris.
We don't know if they are "skipping" Polaris on Computex (don't think they would invite the press all the way to Macau for just the Bristol Ridge), and Zen was always going to be the end of the year 2016 not middle of the year.
isn't computex like 3 days away? I thought we'd know for sure what they will show there by now (and not WCCTECH rumors)
You have to put integer loads here too majord. Loads like 7-zip and WinRar are important because most of consumer loads are integer!
So, on majords graph, I'm pitting the release Zeppelin flagship model in heavily ILP code @100-115% 6700K mark, and in most other serially limited code to be average around the 2700K mark.
With Turbo, that is. I also can't see release frequencies being high either. Max base 2.8-3.0GHz for Zeppelin all cores loaded.
Haha. I'd love to see what something like that could do.It's probably worth mentioning at this point that, theoretically, you could build an 8 module/16thread Excavator based "xen" CPU on 28nm ( with some L3 thrown in for good measure), and achieve close to,( if not bang on) 3Ghz @ ~95w, thus giving double FX-8150 performance.
The clock distribution in bd and pd is done a bit differently. Pd uses a resonant clock mesh with ip from Cyclos. Pretty interesting tech.It's true. I haven't followed computing since I left the field circa 2010. But I'm now working back in computing for the past year. Bear with me whilst I refresh but I do remember some basics
Throwing more cores at a problem like AMDs at the time is never a solution, only a temporary band-aid - a stop gap. I had plenty of private chats with John Fruehe at the time (explaining this).
Let's talk about today and the future. Right now, all the big businesses have moved or are in the middle of migrating to the cloud models; Iaas and Paas mainly (that I'm seeing). Licensing is per Core+GB of RAM and OS dependent. Wintel is FAR cheaper than the rest, I mean 1/50 to 1/3 some others. The major hosting companies right now use 4-8 Cores. Above that is rare, except when you really need AIX boxes or HP-UX. Even if you ask for more cores (VMs) from cloud providers, they won't offer you more than 4 on Wintel platforms. Something that'll be in the contracts.
AMD needs that +90% market Wintel has fortified. In corps, people in purchasing and infrastructure right now don't even know of AMD being available in this [server] market.
New process is always finicky, hence why MFGs tend to use it with matured archs first: To iron out the problems. New process + new complex arch far more so. It's rarely achieved without problems (clocking and power primarily). It's just part of the process learning curve.
But any 8C/SMT chip will if properly gated and modulated present a major thermal budget for n-4/8 Cores to tap into. I suppose the process performance at such MHz will primarily dictate that due to PVT sensitivities but clock jitter, skews and distribution become the limiting factors in conjunction with the delays. It's not so simple to keep multiple high clocking and voltage domains, on large chips, in sync with stability, even if you posses a vast thermal budget. Gosh, even hot spots wreck havoc on gate and wire delays which directly affect the clocking.
Anyone know the type of clock distribution BD/PD uses? Or how many drivers and buffers are used?
What about FO4 delays for any of AMDs recent archs?
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Seems like both zen and polaris are disapointments. Intel and nvidia won.
Seems like both zen and polaris are disapointments. Intel and nvidia won.
It might be a good idea to wait for their actual release, before pronouncing doom and gloom.
Been waiting for info 2 years now it is never coming.
Seems like both zen and polaris are disapointments. Intel and nvidia won.
I don't think so. It brings 40% IPC improvement. Hence it'll be more efficient. Even if 14nm LPP don't hit high clocks to make it worthwhile for average consumers, it'll be great for sub 3ghz server market. This is what AMD's life depends upon. Also down the line foundries will have higher performance finfet nodes which will make consumer chips from AMD more competitive.But yes Zen really does have to outdo a hypothetical XV 8m/16t chip to really justify the entire effort. Anything less and it's a bit of a joke.
Pray tell, explain to us how they are disappointments?
It's pretty obvious:
- They're not here yet. Not that it was expected that they'd be here, but it's still disappointing. Especially considering that Bristol Ridge is ahead of schedule, and even that is late compared to rumours pegging AM4 motherboards for March. So it's all very disappointing on all levels.
- Their imagined performance isn't as good as the imagined performance of other chips which aren't them, and their real performance is certainly not as good as real performance of other chips, since they're not yet available, which makes their real performance a big zero. When you take imagined pricing into consideration, it's even more disappointing.
- They will come from AMD, which means they won't be Intel or NVIDIA products, which means that they are inferior by design, or at least not as well considered, which is rather disappointing. They will also not be "the way it's meant to be played", won't support PhysX, not be 'Game Ready' and a lot of other stuff that's very important.
Are you complaining, that reality might not match your expectations?
How'd ya know?dresden you must be grinning like a fool with your stocks right now.
It's pretty obvious:
- They're not here yet. Not that it was expected that they'd be here, but it's still disappointing. Especially considering that Bristol Ridge is ahead of schedule, and even that is late compared to rumours pegging AM4 motherboards for March. So it's all very disappointing on all levels.
- Their imagined performance isn't as good as the imagined performance of other chips which aren't them, and their real performance is certainly not as good as real performance of other chips, since they're not yet available, which makes their real performance a big zero. When you take imagined pricing into consideration, it's even more disappointing.
- They will come from AMD, which means they won't be Intel or NVIDIA products, which means that they are inferior by design, or at least not as well considered, which is rather disappointing. They will also not be "the way it's meant to be played", won't support PhysX, not be 'Game Ready' and a lot of other stuff that's very important.
See:Keep trolling. You are good at it.
I'm complaining that obvious sarcasm isn't obvious.
I feel that Samsung processes and fabs (I feel that Samsung will help AMD in this one) will make the AMD Zen and Vega 10, while GloFo will do the low tier ones.I don't think so. It brings 40% IPC improvement. Hence it'll be more efficient. Even if 14nm LPP don't hit high clocks to make it worthwhile for average consumers, it'll be great for sub 3ghz server market. This is what AMD's life depends upon. Also down the line foundries will have higher performance finfet nodes which will make consumer chips from AMD more competitive.
Are you complaining, that reality might not match your expectations?