[Newegg] Best-selling business GPUs of 2015

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railven

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Simple, because DS2X produces playable performance on all cards and its better Image Quality than SMAA or even MSAA .

Why would anyone want to play a racer at <60 FPS? Oh well, I guess I should be more surprised you didn't use the DS4X chart to just drive your point home further (pun not intended haha).
 

ViRGE

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It's Newegg Business, so maybe they're only counting sales through neweggbusiness.com? That might explain the large volume of Workstation cards.
Bingo. And this can't be emphasized enough. This list is for Newegg Business.

Workstation cards sell in small volumes, and retail workstation cards (as opposed to cards that come with the workstation) are smaller still. If you have a workstation card in your top 5 list by total sales, then you're definitely not looking at consumer sales. A GTX 960 or similar would be topping that list.
 

Azix

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I was one of the less than smart people that bought a 970 from newegg.

glad I wasn't one of those that bought a 960.

sad

Oh actually these are specific brands so it doesn't speak to specific GPUs in total. and all those quadros. jeez. that's not expected
 
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Zodiark1593

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Jeez, looking at those $200+ GTX 960s (not just on newegg, the 2 GB SSC goes for $210 at Fry's when I was there), no wonder more knowledged enthusiasts bag on them hard. At $165, mine was a bargain in comparison, and this was back in August before any supposed price drops.
 

Phynaz

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@ tential

Well, I have said before that Fury is not 1080p competitive but for 4K its extremely competitive to GTX980Ti and Titan, especially in Dual GPU setups.

Even in Gameworks titles and especially Project Cars that AMD cards are under performing, Fury X CF at 4K is top notch.



Witcher 3



GTA V



Hell, those are GAMEWORKS titles and look how awesome Fury X performs at 4K, you know the resolution you really like to use.


Why post game benchmarks in a thread about business use of GPUs?
 

RussianSensation

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Woof, GTX 960 2GB in #2 for volume. Cue "mindless zombie idiot consumers" arguments.

So you are suggesting that when other NV AIB's sell 960 4GB versions for less than the EVGA 960 2GB, that the people who paid more for a gimped 960 aren't clueless sheep? Sorry, but one would have to be a total idiot to buy 960 2GB among all the stack of cards I list in my post below, including NV's other AIB alternatives.

Your argument is weak since you suggest that because 960 2GB is #2 by volume, that most customers aren't sheep and aren't clueless. If the customers were informed and objective, an EVGA 960 2GB would never get to #2 at $210 US.

I bet the $210 960 2GB buyers have no clue either that 960 is NV's worst x60 gaming GPU released in the last 5 consecutive generations:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-03/geforce-gtx-460-560-660-760-960-vergleich/2/

760 came out June 2013. Just stating facts.

Jeez, looking at those $200+ GTX 960s (not just on newegg, the 2 GB SSC goes for $210 at Fry's when I was there), no wonder more knowledged enthusiasts bag on them hard. At $165, mine was a bargain in comparison, and this was back in August before any supposed price drops.

Yup, and it's even considering the current prices on Newegg business.

Let's break it down the consumer cards for an eye opener about the typical y brand brainwashed NV customer base:

1. EVGA GeForce GTX 970 = $344.99. No rebate.

Newegg Business has PowerColor PCS+ 390 for $290, XFX R9 390 for $300, MSI Gaming 390 for $320, Sapphire Nitro 390 for $335.

That means there are at least 4 videocards from a competitor which are considered faster overall and have 8GB VRAM as a bonus and cost less.

2. EVGA GeForce GTX 980 = $509.99

Newegg Business has XFX R9 390X for $385, Sapphire Nitro 390X for $410, Gigabyte Windforce 390X for $410, and the AIO CLC PowerColor Devil 390X for $410.

Making matters worse, there are 2 faster Fury cards for $490 and $500 that are quieter than almost any flagship videocard currently out, besides the MSI Lightning 980Ti.

Newegg Business also offers Fury X for $570 and MSI GTX980Ti for $600.

That means there are at least 4 videocards, 3 different SKUs (390X, Fury and Fury X) from AMD and 1 from NV that are all far superior than the EVGA 980 in price/performance and/or performance for high end gaming.

The price performance of the 980 is just atrocious. Even if someone hates AMD, you'd have to be a total idiot to pay $480-500 for a 980 when GTX980Ti is $600.



3. EVGA GTX960 2GB for $210.

Wow, one doesn't even know where to start with this one. Complete consumer ignorance of all key metrics.

Zotac 950 2GB = $150
MSI 950 2GB = $150
MSI 950 2GB = $150
Zotac 960 4GB = $200
Zotac 960 4GB = $210

R9 380 2GB = $170, and many others well below $200

R9 280X = $180, $200

R9 380 4GB = $180, $200, etc.

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All of this tells us a lot of info about Newegg Business GPU customers:
1. A lot of them don't read reviews/oblivious to real world benchmarks. This explains how 960 2GB is selling better than 960 4GB despite various 960 4GB versions costing less.

2. Price/performance is a metric they have a hard concept understanding or it doesn't matter vs. brand value. For instance, buying EVGA 960 2GB over competing 960 4GB cards from other brands or far more expensive EVGA 970 or 980 over superior options in NV's own stack. For instance, MSI Gaming and Asus Strix are both better than the EVGA 970 variant because they offer lower noise levels and cost less.

3. AMD does not exist. This is probably even more applicable specifically to NV EVGA buyers than any other NV AIB. Fury X could be selling for $199, Fur for $149 and 390X for $99 and they'd still buy a 960/970/980.

A larger majority of Newegg Business customers buy based on brand value over any other metric. They have a max budget and pick an EVGA NV card without even considering other NV AIBs and AMD isn't on the map.

For someone who has followed the GPU industry for a long time, I am not surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if EVGA NV customers are also extremely loyal to Intel and bought Intel even when AMD's Athlon XP+, A64 and Opteron X2 owned Intel.

from my own personal experience in life. about 60-80% of consumers are mindless zombies

You don't have to look far to find more evidence outside of GPUs. Looking at the top 45 best selling vehicles in the US YTD November 2015 reveals that most consumers are also clueless about vehicles too from a perspective of a car person. Most car guys wouldn't be caught dead in almost any of these. I only found 3-4 cars that are actually good in that list. Now I am going to excuse the 3 trucks since a lot of companies/small businesses buy them for work:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/12/usa-vehicle-sales-by-model-november-2015-ytd.html

Look at headphones. Beats has close to 70% market share and their headphones are trash. Most consumers make purchases based on emotions, not logic or objective research. This isn't even debatable since it's already been proven in marketing research papers.
http://mag.ispo.com/2015/01/90-percent-of-all-purchasing-decisions-are-made-subconsciously/?lang=en

For most consumers, what matters is brand, perception, and what other people think of what you own/buy, not the product itself. That's why even if Newegg Business had a 390 for $199 alongside 960 2GB for $199, the 960 2GB would still outsell it.

How can you explain so many millions of people consuming 100s+ of cans of Coca-Cola or Pepsi annually, when it's not a very healthy beverage (to put it mildly as it practically has no high quality nutritional products in it). Most consumers are clueless simply because most people are or they just don't care. These things are inter-related. Good thing it's possible to make people more informed with proper research but it takes time, but sometimes you cannot cure stupid people.
 
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railven

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So you are suggesting that when other NV AIB's sell 960 4GB versions for less than the EVGA 960 2GB, that the people who paid more for a gimped 960 aren't clueless sheep? Sorry, but one would have to be a total idiot to buy 960 2GB among all the stack of cards I list in my post below, including NV's other AIB alternatives.

Your argument is weak since you suggest that because 960 2GB is #2 by volume, that most customers aren't sheep and aren't clueless. If the customers were informed and objective, an EVGA 960 2GB would never get to #2 at $210 US.

I bet the $210 960 2GB buyers have no clue either that 960 is NV's worst x60 gaming GPU released in the last 5 consecutive generations:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-03/geforce-gtx-460-560-660-760-960-vergleich/2/

760 came out June 2013. Just stating facts.

I'm not saying/implying anything.

What argument? I said cue the complaints. Here they are. When I saw the 960 2GB listed #2 for volume, I knew it wouldn't take long for you to come in here and complain. And here you are.
 

Mondozei

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Ok. Now things make sense.

Did you even read the title bro?

Was posted before title was changed, also following the conversation would explain why it was posted.

Nice try. Problem is that title was never changed. What's your back-up plan now?

I'm quite amazed how many people have difficulty with basic reading comprehension, especially at a forum where enthusiasts are supposed to congregate. Took a moderator(ViRGE) to point out what was already in the title to a lot of people.
 
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Mondozei

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For someone who has followed the GPU industry for a long time, I am not surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if EVGA NV customers are also extremely loyal to Intel and bought Intel even when AMD's Athlon XP+, A64 and Opteron X2 owned Intel.



You don't have to look far to find more evidence outside of GPUs. Looking at the top 45 best selling vehicles in the US YTD November 2015 reveals that most consumers are also clueless about vehicles too from a perspective of a car person. Most car guys wouldn't be caught dead in almost any of these. I only found 3-4 cars that are actually good in that list. Now I am going to excuse the 3 trucks since a lot of companies/small businesses buy them for work:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/12/usa-vehicle-sales-by-model-november-2015-ytd.html

Look at headphones. Beats has close to 70% market share and their headphones are trash. Most consumers make purchases based on emotions, not logic or objective research. This isn't even debatable since it's already been proven in marketing research papers.
http://mag.ispo.com/2015/01/90-percent-of-all-purchasing-decisions-are-made-subconsciously/?lang=en

For most consumers, what matters is brand, perception, and what other people think of what you own/buy, not the product itself. That's why even if Newegg Business had a 390 for $199 alongside 960 2GB for $199, the 960 2GB would still outsell it.

How can you explain so many millions of people consuming 100s+ of cans of Coca-Cola or Pepsi annually, when it's not a very healthy beverage (to put it mildly as it practically has no high quality nutritional products in it). Most consumers are clueless simply because most people are or they just don't care. These things are inter-related. Good thing it's possible to make people more informed with proper research but it takes time, but sometimes you cannot cure stupid people.


Good points. It's this same mass psychosis that the cigarette industry used to push poison. It was seen as "cool" to smoke and people just didn't make any rational decisions about it. It's why you don't see protagonists smoking anymore, because Hollywood got a guilty conscience for helping megacorporations giving cancer to people by exploiting the weaknesses of the human mind.

Thankfully in the GPU space the stakes are much lower. Also, no matter how hard some may try to demonise Nvidia, I don't think one can make the case that they're nearly as evil as the cigarette companies

Truth to be told, this doesn't just benefit NV. Think of the 8 GB VRAM GPUs. You don't need more than 4 GB by a long shot today on any midrange GPU. 8 GB is totally unnecessary for normal gaming at 1080p(where most people today are).

Yet I've read quite a few people on places like reddit admitting that the 8 GB factor was one of the reasons why they went for a 300/300X, so this BS cuts both ways
 

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NVIDIA gained it's momentum by building a reputation and perception which is now carrying them uphill. It's a roller coaster effect and the less people know (or care to know) the heavier the cart.

This is really prevalent in the upper midrange cards and the perception of anything GTXx60/GTXx70. Not so much mindless consumerism as it is just laziness, people just want a card and have known that the upper midrange has always been the best bang for the dollar.

It's the same thing when someone goes to buy something they have no clue about, they rely on public perception and it takes years to change it. In a year when those 960's are garbage and smack dab against the VRAM wall the x60/x70's perception will start to change but it will take forever.
 

Phynaz

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I'm not saying/implying anything.

What argument? I said cue the complaints. Here they are. When I saw the 960 2GB listed #2 for volume, I knew it wouldn't take long for you to come in here and complain. And here you are.

Give Russian a break, he's up north and needs all the heat output from the AMD cards to keep his toes warm.
 
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ZGR

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Why is a 2GB GTX 960 a bad choice for business? It is plenty fast and is very power efficient. We still have C2D/C2Q and GTX 260 machines at work that are fine for programming and light VM work.

Purchasing an R9 is wasteful when the GPU won't be taxed too much. These workstations are quite small and are not designed for gaming/long term heavy loads.

We have been on Nvidia for so long that a switch to AMD would be incredibly costly and would also have to worry about incompatibility for older software. We will also be on W7 for a long, long time.
 
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Piroko

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Why is a 2GB GTX 960 a bad choice for business? It is plenty fast and is very power efficient. We still have C2D/C2Q and GTX 260 machines at work that are fine for programming and light VM work.

Purchasing an R9 is wasteful when the GPU won't be taxed too much. These workstations are quite small and are not designed for gaming/long term heavy loads.

We have been on Nvidia for so long that a switch to AMD would be incredibly costly and would also have to worry about incompatibility for older software. We will also be on W7 for a long, long time.
Out of curiosity, why do you have GTX 260s in desktops for programming and light VM work?
If you do something GPU accelerated then why not go faster? You'll easily recoup the cost in mere days. Alternatively, if you don't need GPU acceleration, why buy something so wasteful? That is the biggest issue I have with mid range consumer GPUs in business PCs.
 

JeffMD

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I'll have you know if I didn't do much review on a new generation of chip, I would definitely suggest the x60 as a safe bet for price vs performance and power use.

Maxwell is a very behaved chipset and I love how cool my 970 runs, but after the 8800ultra and the 5+ RMA swaps I needed to do with evga, cause it kept burning itself out, when I went to the newly released 460 after hearing about all the problems with the 470/480 with heat and power use I was happy as a clam to find it had none of those issues and gave me great performance with no worry to heat or upgrading my PSU.

With any generation of nvidia, I would be comfortable in suggesting a x60 with a 450watt psu without worry that they paid to much or bought a bad card.
 

crisium

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I'll have you know if I didn't do much review on a new generation of chip, I would definitely suggest the x60 as a safe bet for price vs performance and power use.

With any generation of nvidia, I would be comfortable in suggesting a x60 with a 450watt psu without worry that they paid to much or bought a bad card.

Only on power use are you correct. The 1x6pin is the biggest brand agnostic selling point of the 960. Secondary would be HMDI 2.0 for the few people who use 4K Televisions instead of monitors. In a brand agnostic world these features might very well propel the 960 ahead of its competitors but not by such radical amounts.
 
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JeffMD

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Cris, there may not be anything propelling the 960 specifically, I am just saying that had say.. the 1x00 line of geforces come out, and someone was looking to upgrade for good high setting gaming, but their cpu/system is only average. I would point them at the 1x60 simply because I knew that was a safe threshold for their higher end cards, where as the 1x70 and 1x80 would probably require them to get a new psu, and there might be heat venting issues they need to be aware of and have a good case for.

I'm just saying in a blind suggestion, the x60 has been a safe zone for high end.
 

boozzer

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Bingo. And this can't be emphasized enough. This list is for Newegg Business.

Workstation cards sell in small volumes, and retail workstation cards (as opposed to cards that come with the workstation) are smaller still. If you have a workstation card in your top 5 list by total sales, then you're definitely not looking at consumer sales. A GTX 960 or similar would be topping that list.
so we almost got pulled a fast one by OP.
 
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