Yup, Newegg isn't stupid.
They even have a presence on this board, so now they KNOW it was his fault by not using standoffs.
Pure genius.
I chose the ASrock because of the debugger and decent reviews. Now I just feel out of $150...
I know I goofed on the standoffs but the board wasn't fried, one bent cpu fan pin. So they are sending me the broke board back with no I/O shield. Going to have to spend money out of pocket I don't have to get a new one from ASrock if they won't waive the fee.
Just feel really let down by this site for being told I'm lying fraud and newegg for not replacing my board after having it for 3 weeks now.
Sorry I had no instructions and didn't know what a standoff was. I'm 20, this is my 2nd build attempt. Sue me people. My 1st case had preinstalled standoffs, so stop treating me like an idiot.
Not faulting you on this. And it can easily be overlooked from someone not fundamentally understanding electrical concepts.
To be fair, you are right on the lack of instruction with the motherboard. Even on an Asus manual, they have diagrams showing installation of the motherboard in a case with built in stand offs, no mention of having to check or put them in place.
You can double check this too. I am refering to the P8z77-LK manual.
Hell, this is the same mention in my own Maximus V Gene manual! What the heck ASUS?
Learning is OK, we all had to start somewhere.
Messing something up while learning and blaming someone else for it is not OK.
I messed up a board, CPU and sound card up in my early days and ate the cost since it was my fault.
Like others have said, there is zero chance a bent fan header pin would have caused the issues you stated the board had. You shorted something out by not using standoffs and tried to say you got it that way from Newegg.
Just own up to it.
I've never understood how people can make this mistake. I just don't understand it...but I know it has happened countless times to people who have posted in this forum.
Look at the case and you'll see multiple places to position the standoffs for different boards with different sizes and hole patterns. Even when standoffs are pre-installed, you shouldn't just slap your board on without looking. Make sure every standoff lines-up with a screw hole on your board. I've sometimes had to remove or relocate standoffs that didn't line-up with a hole on my board.
I don't know why people aren't thinking about the possibility of shorting electrical components when they see what the bottom of a motherboard looks like.
...but the part that makes me wonder how this is possible: How the fuck does your board line-up with the I/O shield if you don't use standoffs? That should tell you something is very wrong with your install before you ever start adding your other components or connect the power.
That just makes the light stay on. It's off-setting the power connection by 1 pin that burns your PSU lead.I remember messing up once with reversing the ribbon on a floppy cable.
Believe it or not, I've seen exceptions to this. In my A+ certification class, we had a lot of bizarre old parts so it didn't matter so much when students accidentally destroyed things.Red colored wire on the IDE cable to the power cable, thus avoiding issues with hard drives.
2 or 3 students did this in my A+ certification class, even though it was covered and we were all told what would happen. Also had some disasters when students wired the power/reset/turbo switches incorrectly with AT systems.I am sure there is a mnemonic for AT motherboard power supply cable before things were "keyed" to prevent mess ups of the past.
Wow. That's crazy. Mobo manufacturers, get off your asses and address this issue.Looking at one of the ASRock manuals, they are just as descriptive on standoffs as ASUS is.
It may be one of those cases that doesn't use explicit standoffs, but has the raised sections that act as standoffs.
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I've never understood how people can make this mistake. I just don't understand it...but I know it has happened countless times to people who have posted in this forum.
Look at the case and you'll see multiple places to position the standoffs for different boards with different sizes and hole patterns. Even when standoffs are pre-installed, you shouldn't just slap your board on without looking. Make sure every standoff lines-up with a screw hole on your board. I've sometimes had to remove or relocate standoffs that didn't line-up with a hole on my board.
I don't know why people aren't thinking about the possibility of shorting electrical components when they see what the bottom of a motherboard looks like.
...but the part that makes me wonder how this is possible: How the fuck does your board line-up with the I/O shield if you don't use standoffs? That should tell you something is very wrong with your install before you ever start adding your other components or connect the power.
No it never worked. You killed it when you didn't install the standoffs and broke it. So don't pretend it booted up right at least once. And by the look of things you probably messed up the socket during installation.
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If you did break the board installing (no POST/magic smoke/sparks) then that sucks.... but it sounds like newegg just bounced the RMA because of a bent pin, which is plain silly. I've spent upwards of 20k with Newegg and I'm slowly moving my business elsewhere because of incidents like this and the overall higher pricing/less support for how much I'm spending yearly with their company. That being said, you should not build a PC without doing some basic homework. There's plenty of guides online that show you need standoffs; I can't think of a single guide I've read in the last 9 years that does not mention this.
Bottom line: Newegg from 2007 is nothing like today's Newegg.
Why didn't you just bend the pin back?!
This thread is a perfect example as to why some folks need to stick to game consoles as they may not have the brain cells required to operate a computer much less build one.
Then again, the OP seems to be brain cell deficient enough that he/she would probably find a way to catch the TV and console on fire just trying to do something as simple as plugging in a couple cables...then they'd blame wherever they bought the TV and console from for causing the fire.
FWiW, I've been putting together computers, on occasion, for about 14 years now, with very little knowledge about what I'm doing.
I've never had a problem with a build and I never even thought about standoffs--they either came in place, I screwed them on (because they "seemed useful") or they were already installed in whatever case I was using.
On top of that, I'm not sure how one could even mount the mobo without them, considering the CPU fan bracket on the back of the mobo would make that more or less impossible. :hmm:
PS: OP apparently zapped himself on the MB. How does one zaps himself on a motherboard considering the fact that there is no high voltage on it.
This thread is a perfect example as to why some folks need to stick to game consoles as they may not have the brain cells required to operate a computer much less build one.
Then again, the OP seems to be brain cell deficient enough that he/she would probably find a way to catch the TV and console on fire just trying to do something as simple as plugging in a couple cables...then they'd blame wherever they bought the TV and console from for causing the fire.
This is what I was thinking so I tested it turns out the bracket isn't enough of a deterrent to get things to line up. I could install a board without standoffs no problem.
This thread is a perfect example as to why some folks need to stick to game consoles as they may not have the brain cells required to operate a computer much less build one.
Then again, the OP seems to be brain cell deficient enough that he/she would probably find a way to catch the TV and console on fire just trying to do something as simple as plugging in a couple cables...then they'd blame wherever they bought the TV and console from for causing the fire.